Re: [ccp4bb] Space group numbers

2014-10-04 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Saturday, 04 October 2014 10:26:51 AM Kay Diederichs wrote: > I do agree that in your use case it may be helpful to order a long as the symmetry is unknown. I also do understand that the H-M > symbols allow to describe the different settings, but this is a level of > complication that is not nec

Re: [ccp4bb] Space group numbers

2014-10-04 Thread George Sheldrick
Dear Ian, Kay et al., The omnipotent CheckCIF program that is used to check all small molecule structures submitted to /Acta Cryst./ and many other journals requires (a) the H-M space group name, (b) the Hall symbol and (c) the list of equivalent positions, and checks that *all three* are cons

Re: [ccp4bb] Space group numbers

2014-10-04 Thread Kay Diederichs
Hi Ian, I'm afraid that I will maintain my opinions that - crystallography is elegant and unambiguous and should be kept like that. The ITC even in the latest 2006 incarnation links space group number 17 to "P 2 2 21" and 18 to "P21 21 2" (see e.g. http://it.iucr.org/Ab/ch7o1v0001/sgtable7o1o018/