Re: [ccp4bb] British X-ray Crystallographers

2023-05-26 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Very interesting one from Katherine Lonsdale- thank you On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 21:21, CCP4BB < 193323b1e616-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk> wrote: > I found these audio clips on the BBC website - might be of interest - > > https://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/dame_kathleen_lonsdale/z6v8kmn > >

[ccp4bb] Obituary for Alexei Vagin for those who are interested

2023-04-14 Thread Eleanor Dodson
>From Louise Jones - Acta cryst editor We put together an obituary for Alexei with contributions from his friends and colleagues in Moscow and the UK L*ouse says: I am hoping to put the obituary online this afternoon.* *The page numbers have not yet been assigned but it can be cited with the*

Re: [ccp4bb] NCS consideration during refinement vis-a-vis ligand occupancy and flexible loops

2023-04-12 Thread Eleanor Dodson
As Robbie says, in such a case I just blindly refine with local NCS restraints - this should improve the greater part of the model and thus provide you with clearer maps. It is quite common for different copies of the monomer to have differences - after all the crystal environment will be

Re: [ccp4bb] new PDB file format

2023-04-01 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Ha ha! On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 at 05:34, James Holton wrote: > Anyone who has ever had to lecture a student for writing their unit cell > lengths to dozens of decimal places is going to love the new PDB > format. It is more compact, more realistic, and less misleading to the > poor, downstream

Re: [ccp4bb] Alexey Vagin

2023-03-26 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Alexei certainly contributed in MANY ways to Study Weekends! Fun memories.. Eleanor On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 at 20:00, Jurgen Bosch wrote: > Sorry to hear, he helped me a very long time ago during my PhD time when I > was running into troubles with some of his programs. > > The York CCzp4 weekends

Re: [ccp4bb] [i2dev] Alexey Vagin

2023-03-26 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Thank you Eugene for letting us know. He contributed so much to crystallography, and was a good friend too. MOLREP is such a well designed program, and he kept up his innovative ideas - a true behind-the-scenes shaker and mover.. Eleanor On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 at 19:29, 'Eugene Krissinel - STFC

Re: [ccp4bb] twin, pseudosymmetry and NCS in P2/C2 ?

2023-03-24 Thread Eleanor Dodson
ur help ! > > GIA > > > > > Le 22/03/2023 à 07:10, Eleanor Dodson a écrit : > > You have tried all spacegroups within point groups? P2 p21 c222 c2221?. > > On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 at 03:01, Lijun Liu wrote: > >> If data processing to be ok and all possibl

Re: [ccp4bb] twin, pseudosymmetry and NCS in P2/C2 ?

2023-03-22 Thread Eleanor Dodson
You have tried all spacegroups within point groups? P2 p21 c222 c2221?. On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 at 03:01, Lijun Liu wrote: > If data processing to be ok and all possible monoclinic and orthorombic SG > gave unreasonable high Rs, maybe good to give a try with p1 space group? > Since > the

Re: [ccp4bb] twin, pseudosymmetry and NCS in P2/C2 ?

2023-03-21 Thread Eleanor Dodson
cell 66.3 66.3 83.9 90.2 90.1 98.7. P2 or P21 cell Cell volume:364551.812 Data line--- cell 86.4 100.6 83.9 90.0 90.2 90.0. Cell volume double - C2 or C222 or C2221 cell Cell volume:729240.938. ie How many residues in your model? It is hard to decide much without

Re: [ccp4bb] To Trim or Not to To Trim

2023-03-20 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Thank you for such a careful analysis of modelling a "true" structure. You should publish this James. It shows amongst other things, how R factors depend on our modelling of solvent which is not represented as individual atoms (And also I think on how the scales are derived between observation

Re: [ccp4bb] anomalous data usage

2023-03-17 Thread Eleanor Dodson
dependent of i2, you have to >>> dig around a bit to find which output file contains the columns you need. >>> > >>> > Best wishes, Jon Cooper. jon.b.coo...@protonmail.com >>> > >>> > Sent from Proton Mail mobile >>> >

Re: [ccp4bb] anomalous data usage

2023-03-13 Thread Eleanor Dodson
fIf you are using ccp4I2 for some forgotten reason the final output has one reflection with I+ and I-, another with Imean, another with Fmean - aagghh On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 at 19:40, Ian Tickle wrote: > > Hi Gottfried > > AIMLESS definitely outputs IMEAN (and SIGIMEAN) by default. > > Cheers > >

Re: [ccp4bb] Structural alignment and classification

2023-03-06 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Does Superpose or GESAMT align multiple structures? And can either read the NMR format and apply alignment to MODEL 1 ; MODE:L 2 etc? Eleanor On Mon, 6 Mar 2023 at 14:53, Harry Powell < 193323b1e616-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk> wrote: > Or you could use Gesamt - also in CCP4. > > Harry > >

Re: [ccp4bb] Structural alignment and classification

2023-03-05 Thread Eleanor Dodson
See the answer last week to my query about aligning nmr structures - use Theseus . I wonder if it could be used for this task too? Eleanor On Mon, 6 Mar 2023 at 07:35, Armando Albert wrote: > Dear all, > I want to align several structures we obtained from a fragment screening > campaign and

[ccp4bb] NMR structires

2023-03-02 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I have been looking at 1hiq - an NMR structure with 20 models. I had always assumed that an attempt had been made to overlap the first with the second, third etc, but this does not seem to be so for this structure.. Have I been labouring under a misapprehension? Eleanor Dodson

Re: [ccp4bb] Refinement of ligand with alternate chemical structure

2023-02-16 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Well - I made a copy of a ligand A 2001 and called it B 2001; gave each of the "Ligands" occupancy 0.5, mangled the B molecule a bit and ran REFMAC . It notes these atoms are too close but carries on refinement happily enough.. But when I read the structure into COOT and try to refine the A

Re: [ccp4bb] Refinement of ligand with alternate chemical structure

2023-02-15 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I thought that REFMAC tolerated dual occupancies if the sum of the two conformers was <= 1.0? Eleanor Will test.. On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 at 16:37, Stuart McQuarrie < 974c6ca32bc4-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk> wrote: > I fit a large cyclic ligand cA6 (cylic hexa-adenylate) and after some >

Re: [ccp4bb] Renumber residues working PDB file - Applying a sequences numbering to PDB file

2023-02-04 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Usually you can bully coot into doing it but by bit. Say you need to renumber A 1-8. I often have to change the chain id to Z say then renumber Z. And so on . Then go back once you have finished and reset chain id fir Z1-8 to A. Tedious but possible! Or just run a few cycles of buccaneer with

Re: [ccp4bb] Careless and negative Wilson B-factor

2023-01-06 Thread Eleanor Dodson
The tool must have sharpened your data - sometimes enhancing the outer data does improve the electron density.. So I wouldnt worry about that "negative" B factor - it is doubtless a result of the "careless" run, and not presumably the one you got at the data processing step.. Eleanor On Fri, 6

Re: [ccp4bb] A challenging MR problem

2022-11-09 Thread Eleanor Dodson
d. Is there a way to do MR to predict where the > missing domains will go in the rest of the chains, based on my > solved structure? > > > > Thanks for all the helpful suggestions!! > > > > M > > > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 3:11 PM Eleanor Dodson < &

Re: [ccp4bb] A challenging MR problem

2022-11-09 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Well you could just try the buccaneer pipeline. It would use the phases from your solved domain and try to fit the missing sequence. What are your twin fractions? And what is the resolution? Eleanor On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 at 21:06, Tim Gruene wrote: > Dear Medhanjali DasGupta, > unless the

Re: [ccp4bb] Low resolution and high anisotropy

2022-10-26 Thread Eleanor Dodson
How to deal with poor data is a challenge. Look at the images - see at what resolution there is detectable diffraction. Then run a self rotation function.Do you expect a trimer? dimer? etc and does the self rotation give any clues? Are your models dimers? trimers? etc. Eleanor On Wed, 26 Oct 2022

Re: [ccp4bb] Two Questions About SHELX

2022-10-13 Thread Eleanor Dodson
- Those reflections are equivalent: - P6/mmm - reflections h,k,l k,-h-k,l -h-k,l. all due to 3 fold - hkl equiv to -h,-k,l because of 6 foldnes h,k,l equiv to k,h,-l. due to t extra 2 fold So -1,3,1. 3,-2,1 and -2,-1,1 equiv Also 1,-3,1 -3,2,1. 2,1,1 Etc.. etc OK? Eleanor

[ccp4bb] Anisotropy

2022-10-03 Thread Eleanor Dodson
There have been several discussions lately where anisotropy has been an issue. I have always believed weak unreliable data does little harm to refinement or maps because it is given a very low weight in any calculation. Weighting, in REFMAC anyway. is set partly using the Rfree for that

Re: [ccp4bb] PAIREF - Warning - not enough free reflections in resolution bin

2022-09-30 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Dear Matt, Your data past 2.5A is awfully weak, and wont contribute much to any map you calculate. Each term at the outer resolution will have a very low weight. I sometimes cling to the belief that the weak data may help the B factor refinement, but there isnt much evidence of that. There is a

Re: [ccp4bb] suggestions on refinement of a protein-ligand complex

2022-09-13 Thread Eleanor Dodson
We probably need more detail to help you. Have you looked carefully at the data processing? Is the Rmerge or Rpim reasonable for all batches? Is there any suggestion of twinning? Does the wilson plot look linear? (These hexagonal SGs can be twinned) How many copies of your molecule do you

[ccp4bb]

2022-09-08 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Is that the right way round? Atomic no K 19, Na 11 Call something K when it should be NA - B factor will shoot to reduce the atom contribution. Call something Na when it should be K - B factor will become very small.. As you say - check which fits best with the surrounding atoms.. On Thu, 8

Re: [ccp4bb] Lower b-factors with increasing T

2022-09-08 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Hmmm - very puzzling.. One expects the for the atoms to more or less match the Wilson B for the data sets.. There are some mini bugs which can mislead you. Is your average a mean or an RMS value? RMS ones can be hugely inflated if you have a few crazily high Bs and the refinement programs can

Re: [ccp4bb] Odd Positive Density Around a Cystine

2022-08-10 Thread Eleanor Dodson
The high peak is to be expected if the B factor is ludicrously too high. I think the problem is in the behavior of the B factor refinement. Try setting all B factors for the CYS to some sensible value (you can do that in COOT - ) then see what happens after more cycles of refinement.. Eleanor

Re: [ccp4bb] Spam email after sending mail to ccp4bb

2022-08-01 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Is it spam? It is from a contributor to CCP4BB and I guess it says something like - received your message - my Chinese rather rusty.. Eleanor On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 at 18:26, Andrew Leslie - MRC LMB < and...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk> wrote: > Every time I send an email to ccp4bb, I get a spam email from >

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Regarding the correct space group identification

2022-07-28 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I cant see how the C2 cell can be reindexed to the P/mmm one? Am I right to assume these are different processing of the same diffraction? And how many molecules do you have in each cell? Eleanor On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 at 12:52, Schreuder, Herman /DE < herman.schreu...@sanofi.com> wrote: > Dear

Re: [ccp4bb] Comparing two datasets

2022-07-26 Thread Eleanor Dodson
a sets can show up if the Rfactor is greater than > about 1%. > Greetings, > John > Emeritus Professor John R Helliwell DSc > > > > > On 26 Jul 2022, at 11:40, Eleanor Dodson < > 176a9d5ebad7-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk> wrote: > >  > Not only doe

Re: [ccp4bb] Comparing two datasets

2022-07-26 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Not only does SCALEIT do the job - it presented useful plots and an informative log file.. Eleanor (You need to run CAD hklin1 Xtal1.mtz hklin2 Xtal2.mtz ...and obviously the columns from each Xtal will need different labels..) On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 at 09:45, Phil Evans wrote: > If you give

Re: [ccp4bb] symmetry possibilities

2022-07-23 Thread Eleanor Dodson
eleanorOh dear - why don’t crystals behave better! Re twinning - do the data processing Plots indicate twinning? ( L test?2nd moments?) It sounds rather more like overlapping diffraction where only some of the observations are Affected. Eleanor On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 at 10:50, Flaig, Ralf

Re: [ccp4bb] Determining space group

2022-07-22 Thread Eleanor Dodson
rlap between > individual data sets. And the data quality is often low. > > In my posting I forgot to say that CrystFEL also has a facility to > overcome indexing ambiguity. > > Best wishes, > Kay > > On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 19:02:19 +0100, Eleanor Dodson < > eleanor.dod...

Re: [ccp4bb] Determining space group

2022-07-22 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Surely once you have indexed one crystal, you can use the facility to check the next ones indexing against the reference - aka pointless? On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 at 16:20, Kay Diederichs wrote: > Hi Monika, > > in June we had a summer school at MaxIV, and one of the topics was serial >

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: Determining space group

2022-07-22 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Most molecular replacement programs allow you to search in all possible space groups consistent with a given point group. Eleanor On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 at 11:18, Schreuder, Herman /DE < herman.schreu...@sanofi.com> wrote: > Hi Monika, > > > > I would process the data using the point group

Re: [ccp4bb] Strange crystal packing in twined crystal

2022-07-22 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Hmmm - is there a smaller lattice which might fit the density? As Andrew says there are examples of pseudo emptiness in crystals but there are more examples of wrong lattices! Check for non-crystallographic translation? You could attach the pointless/aimless/etc log files.. Eleanor On Fri, 22 Jul

Re: [ccp4bb] find clashes

2022-07-14 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Sorry to go back in time but distang is useful. You set radii Example: distang xyzin CCP4_JOBS/job_100/100_adam_xyzout_coot_rebuild_1.pdb RADI CA 1 end will give all CA withion 2A of each other distang xyzin CCP4_JOBS/job_100/100_adam_xyzout_coot_rebuild_1.pdb end Will give all C N O S

Re: [ccp4bb] Unidentified electron density

2022-07-02 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Did you check anomalous difference peaks? They would show zn very clearly. On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 at 08:08, Sayan Saha wrote: > Dear all, > As suggested by most people, we modeled Zn2+ ions coordinated with > three water molecules. > Thanks for everyone’s response. > > With best regards, >

Re: [ccp4bb] sequence search

2022-06-24 Thread Eleanor Dodson
work. Be careful about the url characters either > side of the sequence. > > Sameer > > On 24 Jun 2022, at 15:41, Eleanor Dodson > wrote: > > PDBe server - my long term favorite website... > > On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 at 15:40, Sameer Velankar wrote: > &

[ccp4bb] sequence search

2022-06-24 Thread Eleanor Dodson
The pdb seems to have gone so up market I can no longer see how to submit a simple sequence search or rum SSM I get offered multiple options to use services I do not want to use! But asking for "sequence search" or Search sequences" gives lots and lots of non-intuitive choices! Grrr Eleanor Any

[ccp4bb] Patterson problem

2022-06-23 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Sorted - confusion in the conversion to orthogonal format.. Eleanor > To unsubscribe from the CCP4BB list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/WA-JISC.exe?SUBED1=CCP4BB=1 This message was issued

Re: [ccp4bb] Patterson map

2022-06-22 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Can you send your command file ? And how are you displaying the Patterson map ? >From CCP4I you can request a peak search of the map - check if the peaks correspond to ones you would expect from your coordinates Maybe read the map and vector positions into COOT to see? Eleanor On Tue, 21 Jun

Re: [ccp4bb] X-ray crystallography defense questions

2022-06-14 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Partly depends on what you have written! Faux pas would lead to a question.. but I would probably concentrate on what the structure has told you about your protein system. I would expect you to know a bit about the strengths and limitations of the technique. Eleanor On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 at 16:58,

[ccp4bb] you do this

2022-05-10 Thread Eleanor Dodson
mtzdump hklin a.mtz end And you get this output Look at the BOLD bit Name of file Cell and spacegroup Column labels. In this case the file I downloaded from the PDB only has F and SIGF Resolution etc.. mbat:Paul-5ACs eleanor$ *mtzdump hklin

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem with understanding mtz and hkl files of S SAD data

2022-05-10 Thread Eleanor Dodson
If you run mtzdump hklin your.mtz the first output is descriptive. Have you done that? You will get "header" information about cell, selected symmetry, etc, and a list of labels for the columns That will start H K L then maybe F+ SIGF+ F- SIGF- or I+ SIGI+ I_ SIGI- or something else. Can you

Re: [ccp4bb] Phasing a difficult RNA heteroduplex structure

2022-05-06 Thread Eleanor Dodson
How I hate RNA! However, structures have been solved.. As others say: Look for twinning Look for translation non-cryst symmetry. It seems likely when you have a doubling of the a axis for the Zn derivative. I use CCP4I2 and the data processing report will do both these tests. Then you need to

Re: [ccp4bb] Sad demise of Prof. M. Vijayan, MBU, IISc, India

2022-04-24 Thread Eleanor Dodson
and shaker who led the establishment of the many great Indian laboratories now in existence. It is a privilege to have known him. Eleanor Dodson On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 at 05:21, Karthik Selvam wrote: > Prof Vijayan preferred to call the book as his memoirs, instead of > biography or autobio

Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC5 refinement: nucleic acid residues with bad geometry

2022-04-08 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Well - I would look at the deviants in COOT and see if there is a proper reason for the angels - water molecules too close? alternate conformation for some near by sidechain? Any refinement program wants to get good geometry unless there is an obstacle. If there is nothing obvious to fix you could

Re: [ccp4bb] sftools

2022-04-06 Thread Eleanor Dodson
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Re: [ccp4bb] sftools

2022-04-05 Thread Eleanor Dodson
t") > dataset.crystal_name = "mycrystal" > dataset.project_name = "myproject" > dataset.wavelength = 1.44555 > for column in mtz.columns: > column.dataset_id = dataset.id > mtz.write_to_file("output.mtz") > > Cheers, > Paul >

Re: [ccp4bb] sftools

2022-04-05 Thread Eleanor Dodson
mmCIF reflection files I use. > > Cheers, > Robbie > > > -Original Message- > > From: CCP4 bulletin board On Behalf Of Eleanor > > Dodson > > Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2022 15:47 > > To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > > Subject: [ccp4bb] sftools > &g

[ccp4bb] sftools

2022-04-05 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Does ANYONE know how to use this useful but ultra-frustrating program?? I have an mtz file which lacks WAVElength AND Dataset name. I try to follow the sftools documentation, and get an output file which - lacks WAVElength AND Dataset name. G sftools

Re: [ccp4bb] Anomalous maps from twinned crystal

2022-03-31 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Hmm - not sure if this would work but it is worth a try. Refine your model against twinned data to get PhiCalc Go to Reflection Data Tools Calculate unusual map coeffs Give reflection file with I+ and I- from data processing ( They are twinned Is but maybe this will work) Phases from your best

Re: [ccp4bb] Refmac automatically handles twinning?

2022-03-30 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I am sure you have checked this but A) is there non cryst translation? If so this can make space group selection tricky . Could it be P3 21 or P31 21 or ... B ) the twin indicators at data processing are pretty reliable and if that suggests no twinning it probably isn’t there... you could process

Re: [ccp4bb] CSYMMATCH for help

2022-03-18 Thread Eleanor Dodson
As I am sure you know - if you generate experimental phases from isomorphous or anomalous scatterers the differences between the reflection pairs can be equally well described by sites at (x,y,z) or (-x,-y,-z) . In addition many spacegroups allow coordinates to be related to several alternative

Re: [ccp4bb] MR solution not working

2022-03-02 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Well - there are various traps towards a MR solution. Maybe the data is not very good? What is the resolution and merging r factor? Assuming data is ok... Most common is that the spacegroup is wrong. Have you tested all possible spacegroups for the Laura group? Both phaser and molrep have options

Re: [ccp4bb] Make Ligand error

2022-01-27 Thread Eleanor Dodson
to us this (pre-SAD phasing) and again got too much substitution, not too little. Have other people used it successfully? I would be interested to know.. Eleanopr On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 at 13:41, Eleanor Dodson wrote: > Thank you > I can look at it and maybe be useful.. > HgI3c was a heav

Re: [ccp4bb] Make Ligand error

2022-01-25 Thread Eleanor Dodson
? And have you checked the peaks in the anomalous map. I can explain how to do that, or if you are allowed to send the data I can show you what to expect. Eleanor Dodson On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 at 04:41, Paul Emsley wrote: > > On 25/01/2022 04:10, YUVARAJ I wrote: > > Respected Prof. Pa

Re: [ccp4bb] Phenix/refmac incompatibility?

2021-12-31 Thread Eleanor Dodson
in chains named S were already in that model, then it is a bug > that I need to fix. > Cheers, > Pavel > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 11:05 AM Eleanor Dodson < > 176a9d5ebad7-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk> wrote: > >> I am not sure whether I have this straight but

Re: [ccp4bb] Phenix/refmac incompatibility?

2021-12-31 Thread Eleanor Dodson
examples of this on the PDB-REDO server, but not > recently. Renumbering is the only solution I'm afraid. > > Cheers, > Robbie > > On 30 Dec 2021 20:05, Eleanor Dodson < > 176a9d5ebad7-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk> wrote: > > I am not sure whether I have this strai

[ccp4bb] Phenix/refmac incompatibility?

2021-12-30 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I am not sure whether I have this straight but someone has sent a pdb file from phenix refinement with these atoms in the pdb file.. ATOM 5580 N GLY S 18 36.182 44.368 56.021 1.00 79.25 N ATOM 5581 CA GLY S 18 37.168 44.349 57.091 1.00 74.78 C ATOM 5582 C

Re: [ccp4bb] [i2dev] Fwd: [CCP4] Buccaneer and REFAMAC5 in CCP4 suit always fail

2021-12-30 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Hmm - I think I have found it. You provide an input pdb , but in the REFMAC log file it complains about this. mon_lib.cif *ERROR : HOH : duplicated atom_name : "O ". chain: SSS residue: 18 ERROR : HOH : duplicated atom_name : "O ".

Re: [ccp4bb] interesting map problem

2021-12-17 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Christine - can you attach the relevant log files! Eleanor On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 at 22:59, Ethan A Merritt wrote: > On Friday, 17 December 2021 14:04:17 PST Christine Gee wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I recently came across this strange issue. I was using aimless in CCP4 to > > scale my data and apply

Re: [ccp4bb] interesting map problem

2021-12-17 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Well - that should not happen! Are the cell dimensions the same for the new data and the reference set? E On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 at 22:04, Christine Gee wrote: > Hi, > > I recently came across this strange issue. I was using aimless in CCP4 to > scale my data and apply an Rfree from a reference

Re: [ccp4bb] Measuring angles between domains

2021-11-13 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Well I do this by overlapping one domain of protein A onto protein B - you can do that in coot - then overlap the second domain of the shifted A onto the second domain of B. The coot log file tells you omega phi kappa applied and kappa is your angle of interest... is that clear enough - I could

Re: [ccp4bb] what would be the best metric to asses the quality of a mtz file?

2021-10-28 Thread Eleanor Dodson
THis is always a difficult decision. More commonly I have worried about the best resolution cut off. Judge on high Rmerges? Keep the overall R value acceptably low?? etc etc.. I always come back to the map - is it sharper with the extra data? Is more unmodelled solvent showing up? etc.. But

Re: [ccp4bb] A strange problem related to MR

2021-09-08 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Sorry lande fu- solutions P4 also can also be on different origins. That is a polar spacegroup and any value along the c axis is acceptable. But probably the mr search for both models just sets that to zero... the r factors for two models being are so different is not so surprising. How well do

Re: [ccp4bb] A strange problem related to MR

2021-09-06 Thread Eleanor Dodson
You know there are alternative origins for P43212 - and a different MR search very often will opt for a different origin.. from CCP4 doc P4(123)2(1)2 - I4(1)22 N*origin* Xo Yo Zo 1 0. 0. 0. 2 0. 0. 0.5000 3 0.5000 0.5000 0. 4 0.5000 0.5000 0.5000 Use

Re: [ccp4bb] Antwort: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Antwort: Re: [ccp4bb] chain on 2-fold axis?

2021-08-31 Thread Eleanor Dodson
chains and 1 chain on a special position? I would vote for the latter. > > > > Best, > > > > Herman > > > > *Von:* CCP4 bulletin board *Im Auftrag von > > *Peer Mittl > > *Gesendet:* Freitag, 27. August 2021 10:17 > > *An:* CCP4BB@JISCM

Re: [ccp4bb] Some questions on tools for CCP4i2cloud: pdbset, pdbcur, coordconv, sftools

2021-08-31 Thread Eleanor Dodson
ATTACHED SOME CORRESPONDENCE WITH David Lawson re these issues/. Eleanor On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 at 10:29, Robbie Joosten wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Thank you for the replies so far on and off list, they are really helpful. > Feel free to keep them coming. > > Cheers, > Robbie > > > -Original

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Antwort: Re: [ccp4bb] chain on 2-fold axis?

2021-08-31 Thread Eleanor Dodson
cludes both the possibility of merohedral and pseudomerohedral twinning. >> In the latter case, the obliquity parameter can be set using the keyword >> OBL." >> >> I wonder since which CCP4 version (or date) this is the default behaviour. >> >> best wishes, &

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Antwort: Re: [ccp4bb] chain on 2-fold axis?

2021-08-30 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Back to FreeR factors - Phenix, and I believe FreeRflag now select FreeRs in the highest possible symmetry for the crystal class - eh P6/mmm for a trigonal crystal, and expand the set to fill the actual space group. This means the Free R assignment is suitable if later the crystal symmetry is

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Antwort: Re: [ccp4bb] chain on 2-fold axis?

2021-08-27 Thread Eleanor Dodson
> refinement in P3221 would come up with the same occupancies for the > > alternative conformations for the "extra" chain on the 2-fold axis. It > > seems as if the "well-ordered" chains (2 in P3221, 4 in P32) form a > > sublattice with P3221 symmetry and it'

Re: [ccp4bb] Antwort: Re: [ccp4bb] chain on 2-fold axis?

2021-08-26 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Motto =mitti in predictive text! On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 at 16:52, Eleanor Dodson wrote: > Great, motto. I think you have nailed it! Did you use tefmac for twinned > refinement? And if so what did it suggest the twin fraction is? > > On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 at 16:30, Peer Mittl wro

Re: [ccp4bb] Antwort: Re: [ccp4bb] chain on 2-fold axis?

2021-08-26 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Great, motto. I think you have nailed it! Did you use tefmac for twinned refinement? And if so what did it suggest the twin fraction is? On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 at 16:30, Peer Mittl wrote: > Yes, the data indeed seems to be twinned and the tNCS has masked the > twinning statistics, which is why I

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] chain on 2-fold axis?

2021-08-26 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I must admit in cases like this, my first thought is - could the space group be wrong? or is it twinned - quite common in this space group.. the normal twinning tests are sometimes misleading when you have non-crystallographic translation. I would reprocess the data as P32, generate a model with

Re: [ccp4bb] using chooch

2021-07-20 Thread Eleanor Dodson
r for the anomalous signal > for X-ray scattering at http://skuld.bmsc.washington.edu/scatter/ When > you choose Br instead of Grr, you find > http://skuld.bmsc.washington.edu/scatter/data/Br.dat, or you read your > values from the interactive plot > http://skuld.bmsc.washington.edu/scatter/AS

[ccp4bb] using chooch

2021-07-20 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Grr - stuck at home - what is f' and f' for Br??? All nicely tabulated on my desktop but not here.. So use chooch.. but it grumbles about file name null How can I make it happy? Any help gratefully received Eleanor eleanor@wombat cysbfull % chooch -e Br -e 0.92

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: Strange indexing problem

2021-07-05 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Your self rotation strongly suggests a different spacegroup - I would look back at the integration and processing before puzzling over cell volumes! Eleanor On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 at 16:00, Schreuder, Herman /DE < herman.schreu...@sanofi.com> wrote: > Rob, > > > > Wat is the Matthews number, would

Re: [ccp4bb] Strange indexing problem

2021-07-05 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Why you have this problem I cannot guess, but your self-rotation clearly shows 2 2 2 symmetry. Try another data processing system? Eleanor On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 at 14:54, Robert S Phillips wrote: > I collected data last week on crystals of tyrosine phenol-lyase obtained > under new conditions.

Re: [ccp4bb] problems with running PARROT

2021-06-25 Thread Eleanor Dodson
000 > 0.311 0.345 0.000 0.000 0.025 0.016 0.000 0.000 > 0.345 0.380 0.000 0.000 0.021 0.014 0.000 0.000 > $$ > > > Gamma 0.24162 > > Log likelihood: 2.920853e+04 Log likelihood (free): 0.00e+00 > > $TABLE :Cycle 1 SigmaA statistics:

Re: [ccp4bb] problems with running PARROT

2021-06-25 Thread Eleanor Dodson
The extract from the log file looks OK - can you send the whole log.txt? Eleanor On Fri, 25 Jun 2021 at 12:09, Savvas Savvides wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > I am trying to run Parrot via CCP4-7.1.014 and the CCP4i2 GUI on a > MacBookPro (OSX 10.15.7) and keep getting the following error report

[ccp4bb] Jenny Glusker's 90th birthday

2021-06-17 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I know not many will have met Jenny in person but maybe more have read Crystal Structure Analysis - a Primer by Glusker and Trueblood. It is an excellent book, and widely plagiarized! Please send a message if you would like to Eleanor Dodson -- *From:* Miriam Rossi

Re: [ccp4bb] [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] Problem with peakmax

2021-06-11 Thread Eleanor Dodson
As you know Paul I would like COOT to output a list of peaks into a "coordinate " file.. You can do it laboriously by hand using Add atom at peak position but that gets tedious... Eleanor On Thu, 10 Jun 2021 at 22:14, Edward A. Berry wrote: > On 06/10/2021 11:19 AM, James Holton wrote: > > > >

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem with peakmax

2021-06-08 Thread Eleanor Dodson
peakmax MAPIN "myfile.ccp4" XYZOUT "myfiles_omit_atom.pdb" < wrote: > Paul was a little too terse, perhaps. > In script form > > peakmax MAPIN myfile.ccp4 XYZOUT myfiles_omit_atom.pdb << EOF-pmx > keywords in here > EOF-pmx > > at least that's what works for me in Csh. Bash proselytizers will

Re: [ccp4bb] TWIN?

2021-06-08 Thread Eleanor Dodson
First spacegrouop - trigonal spacegroups can also be indexed as C2 so it isnt so surprising that a P6/mmm should masquerade as C2. I would look very carefull at the POINTLESS symmetry scores and see if some are more convincing than others. But how I hate RNA & DNA - molecular replacement

Re: [ccp4bb] How can I refine the occupancy with Refmac?

2021-06-07 Thread Eleanor Dodson
James - could you send me a few examples to add to the documentation? Lockdown means I cant easily access my own examples - all trapped on the lab desktop.. Eleanor On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 at 17:18, James Holton wrote: > I wrote a script for auto-generating occupancy refinement relationships > for

Re: [ccp4bb] How can I refine the occupancy with Refmac?

2021-06-07 Thread Eleanor Dodson
In GUI2 the Advanced box allows you to do that eg RESO 10 3 say if you wanted to restrict resolution.. Eleanor On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 at 11:35, Marina Gárdonyi < marina@pharmazie.uni-marburg.de> wrote: > Hi, > > I didn't know that I can also enter keywords without a file! That is a > good note,

Re: [ccp4bb] How can I refine the occupancy with Refmac?

2021-06-05 Thread Eleanor Dodson
here is an extract from the documentation. is it a help? i will try to find examples. eleanor This keyword defines number of cycles of refinement. Occupancy refinement (version 5.6.0037) from Tidied up occupancy group id chain ... residue atom alt or occupancy group id chain ...

Re: [ccp4bb] Self rotation function

2021-05-23 Thread Eleanor Dodson
esn't necessarily imply a 4-fold axis (i.e. > a closed group). It could simply be 2 (or even 3) subunits related by a 90 > deg. rotation (i.e. not a closed group). A 4-fold axis gives rise to > multiple overlapping peaks on the chi=90 and chi=180 sections (so the peak > heights wo

Re: [ccp4bb] Self rotation function

2021-05-22 Thread Eleanor Dodson
rotation system - they could be relating distant monomers.. Cheers Eleanor On Sat, 22 May 2021 at 17:50, Ian Tickle wrote: > > Hi Eleanor > > On Sat, 22 May 2021 at 14:55, Eleanor Dodson < > 176a9d5ebad7-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk> wrote: > >> And several stron

Re: [ccp4bb] Shortest distance between side chains

2021-05-19 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Yes - contacts or distang gives you a list of distances. PISA a list of h bonds and salt bridges - all with associated sym ops. But none produce a complete table - PISA output prob the best. Eleanor distang gives you this sort of information but i guess it is far too detailed? R 125 NA R

Re: [ccp4bb] MR problem in muti-domain structure

2021-05-11 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Where did you find the tutorial files?? Eleanor On Tue, 11 May 2021 at 10:24, Jon Cooper < 488a26d62010-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk> wrote: > Hello, just to double check, I assume that you input the correctly > oriented and positioned structure of each domain from successive runs as a >

Re: [ccp4bb] solving difficult protein structure

2021-04-23 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Finding a solution will be very difficult then. Eleanor On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 at 21:11, Swati Gupta wrote: > My data is moderate anisotropic also with a high Wilson b factor greater > than 200 > > On Sat, 24 Apr, 2021, 01:19 Eleanor Dodson, > wrote: > >> If you were luc

Re: [ccp4bb] solving difficult protein structure

2021-04-23 Thread Eleanor Dodson
If you were lucky the new crystal might have the same cell and spacegroup as your model, but otherwiseThis is a case for molecular replacement.? My course of action using CCP4I2 Process data carefully and look for any warnings. Align your new sequence with the model using clustalw Edit the model

Re: [ccp4bb] Omit maps in phenix and ccp4

2021-04-07 Thread Eleanor Dodson
hough. > > Cheers, > > Dirk. > On 07.04.21 11:46, Eleanor Dodson wrote: > > Well - I use COOT for this sort of task, and dont trust the automated > tools. > my procedure is > load COOT - probably after a refinement cycle > set occupancy of ligand(s) to 0.00 (

Re: [ccp4bb] Omit maps in phenix and ccp4

2021-04-07 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Well - I use COOT for this sort of task, and dont trust the automated tools. my procedure is load COOT - probably after a refinement cycle set occupancy of ligand(s) to 0.00 ( Measures - residue information - change occupancy) Look at the environment critically . eg if an ARG or other bulky side

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] High Rs

2021-04-01 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Agree with Herman except re using refined model as search model. This will almost always return the answer you started from.. Eleanor On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 13:49, Schreuder, Herman /DE < herman.schreu...@sanofi.com> wrote: > Dear Sam, > > > > The first thing that would come to my mind would be

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