Re: [ccp4bb] local coordinate uncertainty / SFCHECK questions

2016-11-21 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Monday, 21 November 2016 11:53:22 PM Seok-Yong Lee wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> We have recently solved several structures of a membrane protein in slightly 
> different conformations at low resolutions (3.9-4.2 A). We would like to see 
> that these structures reflect truly different conformations and to what 
> extent these structures are discernible. To answer this question, we would 
> need to estimate local and global coordinate uncertainty of these structures 
> to see if the local/global conformational differences of the structures are 
> bigger than the local/global coordinate uncertainty.
> 
> I am wondering if there is any good way/program to show local coordinate 
> uncertainty. I found that using SFCHECK I can get (i) amplitude of 
> displacement of atom from electron density and (ii) correlation coefficient 
> per residue. I have following questions.
> 
>   1)Can we use this amplitude of displacement as local 
> coordinate uncertainly? If not, is there a way to use as this displacement 
> amplitude to get an estimate of the local coordinate error?
> 
>   2)The output regarding this plot in SFCHECK is somewhat difficult 
> to understand, as it shows a bar graph with multiples of sigma per residue. 
> What does it mean by those residues with no sigma? Do these residues have too 
> much or too less errors?
> 
>   3)Is there a way to convert the output as a text file so that I can 
> plot it myself?
> 
>   4)Any recommendation with other programs that can produce local 
> coordinate uncertainty per residue?
> 
>   Any advice would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you in advance. 

I don't think that the uncertainty/error in individual coordinates is a good 
way to
describe or quantify the existence of "truly different conformations", unless 
what
you really meant is "different rotamers" or some other very local property.

Nevertheless, if you want to estimate coordinate error from the available 
refined
quantities, I suggest looking at
Cruickshank, D. W. J. (1999). Acta Cryst. D55, 583–601.
This paper describes an empirical estimate DPI that seems close to what you
are asking for.  A further empirical simplification was suggest by David Blow
Acta Cryst. (2002). D58, 792-797 
https://doi.org/10.1107/S0907444902003931


If the intent is to ask whether a conformation resulting from final refinement 
against
data from one crystal is compatible with the data from a different crystal, I 
suspect
the most powerful and convincing test is to simply try it.  Transfer the 
relevant
piece of the model from crystal A into your working model for crystal B, refine 
a bit
(maybe only B factors or TLS), and see whether the resulting R/Rfree value are 
different
from those you previously had for the crystal B model.   You could then try the
complementary excercise by placing the original model from crystal B into the
context of the current model and data from crystal A.


Ethan Merritt

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[ccp4bb] local coordinate uncertainty / SFCHECK questions

2016-11-21 Thread Seok-Yong Lee
Hi All,

We have recently solved several structures of a membrane protein in slightly 
different conformations at low resolutions (3.9-4.2 A). We would like to see 
that these structures reflect truly different conformations and to what extent 
these structures are discernible. To answer this question, we would need to 
estimate local and global coordinate uncertainty of these structures to see if 
the local/global conformational differences of the structures are bigger than 
the local/global coordinate uncertainty.

I am wondering if there is any good way/program to show local coordinate 
uncertainty. I found that using SFCHECK I can get (i) amplitude of displacement 
of atom from electron density and (ii) correlation coefficient per residue. I 
have following questions.

1)Can we use this amplitude of displacement as local coordinate 
uncertainly? If not, is there a way to use as this displacement amplitude to 
get an estimate of the local coordinate error?

2)The output regarding this plot in SFCHECK is somewhat difficult 
to understand, as it shows a bar graph with multiples of sigma per residue. 
What does it mean by those residues with no sigma? Do these residues have too 
much or too less errors?

3)Is there a way to convert the output as a text file so that I can 
plot it myself?

4)Any recommendation with other programs that can produce local 
coordinate uncertainty per residue?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you in advance. 


All the best,

Seok-Yong

Associate Professor of Biochemistry
Duke University School of Medicine
USA