Re: [ccp4bb] 2fofc maps from refmac twinned refinement - clarify?

2020-04-30 Thread Frank von Delft
Thanks all - also for jogging my memory. Peter, I think Garib ended up doing something statistically sophisticated, but I couldn't track down the slides or documentation I remember seeing somewhere.  But I didn't dig very hard, and if it's been there since 2012, then that explains why I

Re: [ccp4bb] 2fofc maps from refmac twinned refinement - clarify?

2020-04-29 Thread Petrus Zwart
I am not quite sure how it is done in Refmac, but in phenix it works as follows - difference maps are gradient maps for a least squares target and they do not contain any amplitude contamination from twinning. - Fo type maps are computed either via classic detwinning (solving the linear

Re: [ccp4bb] 2fofc maps from refmac twinned refinement - clarify?

2020-04-29 Thread James Holton
Yes, they are "de-twinned".  There is really no other way to do it. Without de-twinning you'd be looking at a map of two overlapping structures.  How do you turn a single observation of the sum of intensities from two different hkls into two different Iobs values? You need to know the ratio. 

Re: [ccp4bb] 2fofc maps from refmac twinned refinement - clarify?

2020-04-28 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Yes - the “Fobs” is extracted from the twinned ”Iobs” Which is actually I1 + I2*twin_factor , and yes, how to do that properly is tricky. On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 22:20, Frank von Delft wrote: > Hi all - feel free to point me to the docs if it's already clear somewhere: > > When refmac generates

[ccp4bb] 2fofc maps from refmac twinned refinement - clarify?

2020-04-28 Thread Frank von Delft
Hi all - feel free to point me to the docs if it's already clear somewhere: When refmac generates 2mFo-DFc maps after twinned refinement, are they the "untwinned" view of the electron density?  I.e. with the twinnig convoluted out by his statistical magic? I remember Garib mentioning the