[ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore
Dear Sham Well-done , You did a great job by raising this issue on CCP4, I am sure most of the Indian post docs/ scientists working outside India will agree with you. Sham ! I think you are wrong here:* You said In all cases, (I would say only 95 % cases) it is their mutual understanding to fix their own people, through the back-door deal. Here those people will disagree who got into a position through the same means.* I agree with Garib that we should stop this discussion on CCP4bb. This would not yield any positive outcomes, Instead it would hurt sentiments and emotions of many Indians (mainly beneficiaries of this scam /civic crime). But just to conclude this, I really appreciate Sham for bringing up this issue on CCP4 and making international scientific community aware of what is happening in Indian Science/Research institutes as far as faculty recruitment process is concerned. Some of the international scientist will be invited to attend conference on International Conference on Biomolecular Forms and Functions: celebrating 50 years of the Ramachandran Map at IISc Bangalore,in January 2013, , I am sure some of the big Indian bosses (those who control these institutes) within india, will be attending this conference,if you get a chance to have informal discussion on these issues with some of these people, please raise these issues, this will be really helpful for Indian post docs those who are struggling to find a job in India, despite of having a very strong CV and skills in the field. Thanks and regards
Re: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore
Hello, Indeed, rigged positions do exist. In places where it is compulsory to advertise positions but where the person who will get the job has been selected in advance and is known already at the time the job advertisement appears. This does happen in several countries worldwide. I do not agree much with ccp4bb wars but India has been known to hire Indian citizens only for permanent jobs (with government funding). Foreigners (as I was told by Indian scientists - whom I believe) are only allowed to be employed on soft money, i.e. fixed term fellowships that may be renewed. This is quite different however than claiming (as Sham does) that this is a rigged job, I personally do not know (I won't be sitting on the panel interviewing the candidates). But for those (worldwide) who are involved in arranging such rigged jobs, perhaps these people should make it clear in advance to the candidates: Look, we are only advertising this position because it is compulsory. Now if you want to practice giving a presentation of your results for a future job interview and come visit us, and perhaps stay on for a couple of days to visit the area, we'd be delighted to have you around. But do not expect to get a job with us. Just don't repeat this to anyone, in fact we are warning you by phone because there will be no traces of this conversation ever having taken place. This would be more fair to the people who apply - but this is only day dreaming I think. F. On 30/10/12 00:33, Phoebe A. Rice wrote: I have no idea about Bangalore, but I know from personal experience that already-filled job ads exist and waste everybody's time. One of the junior faculty jobs I intereviewed for in the 90s at a prestigious US medical school turned out to be just such a thing - before I went people in the know told me which inside post-doc would get the position, faculty turnout to my presentation was low, and even during the visit somebody told me they thought it would be an inside deal. And in the end, it was. I had much better things to do with my time. ++ Phoebe A. Rice Dept. of Biochemistry Molecular Biology The University of Chicago 773 834 1723; pr...@uchicago.edu mailto:pr...@uchicago.edu http://bmb.bsd.uchicago.edu/Faculty_and_Research/ http://www.rsc.org/shop/books/2008/9780854042722.asp -- Fred. Vellieux (B.Sc., Ph.D., hdr) IBS / ELMA 41 rue Jules Horowitz F-38027 Grenoble Cedex 01 Tel: +33 438789605 Fax: +33 438785494
Re: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore
I think Fred is overstating the problem of compulsory adverts. There are also cases where the expected pre-selected candidate does not get the job as a better candidate appears. There are also cases where there is eventually no job for anyone. Another outcome of an interview is you don't get the advertised post but are mentored through a fellowship application or similar to that institution. Like not stating an age range compulsory adverts are practices designed to reduce prejudice or nepotism, but do not eliminate it. They do not completely change the attitude of panel members, but most scientists do look at the data in front of them. The system also works both ways, you get good candidates coming for a job, who are only after an offer to improve their pay negotiations at their home institute. Nick -- Prof Nicholas H. Keep Executive Dean of School of Science Professor of Biomolecular Science Crystallography, Institute for Structural and Molecular Biology, Department of Biological Sciences Birkbeck, University of London, Malet Street, Bloomsbury LONDON WC1E 7HX
Re: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore
There is a big difference between reading does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, age, sexual orientation, marital status, national origin, disability, or status as a disabled, Vietnam-era, or other eligible veteran and below 35 years. Then regarding Prof. Chitta's reply, comparing 35 years (india) and 45 years (US) extends it not just to the age, but also to the origin maybe :) toufic On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 7:21 PM, James Stroud xtald...@gmail.com wrote: The agism in the advertisement doesn't do the institute much credit. I'm inclined to believe Sham, given the Institutes stated policies: Applicants, preferably below 35 years James On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Narayana VL Sthanam wrote: Sham, who so ever you are, if you have such a long list of complaints, why don’t you put your name clearly and complain openly, instead of hiding behind some anonymous ‘SHAM’ name. What you write about IISc may be all true or it may be reflection of your frustration for not getting a job at IISc!*** * How do we know? So, grow a ‘spine’, if you have a complaint, say it like a man and do not hide behind and bad mouth others anonymously like spoiled child. You are not only throwing dirt on such a prestigious Indian institution, and also on many decent and capable scientists who do outstanding work and produce brilliant graduate students, some of which I was fortunate to have in my lab. ** ** Best Narayana Sthanam ** ** *--* *Narayana Sthanam,Ph D* *Professor of Structural Biology* *244 CBSE 1025 18th Street South* *Center for Biophysical Sciences and Engineering* *University of Alabama at Birmingham* *Birmingham, Al 35294* *Phone: 205 934 0119* *URL: **http://www.opt.uab.edu/narayanalab*https://mail.ad.uab.edu/owa/redir.aspx?C=80a7a9ef03ea46b58d648b78f13d4272URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.opt.uab.edu%2fnarayanalab “Never let success go to your head, nor failure to your heart ” ** ** ** ** *From:* CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] *On Behalf Of *U US *Sent:* Monday, October 29, 2012 12:03 PM *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK *Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore ** ** Dear Friends, There is no need to apply to this position, we suggest. It is a PREDETERMINED SELECTION, i.e. candidate is fixed and this (advertisement, screening, selection board, selection and approval) is just the procedure. It does not matter whether you apply or not. If you apply and called for interview, then you have to waste your valuable time as well as huge travel money unless some Big Boss is fixing you to the post. Interestingly Indian Institute of Science recruits and carries faculties and trains them in such a way that it has become a epicentre of recruitment scams across India and it make rest of Indian Scientists/Faculties in their path of scams and CRIME. Students also inherit the character of their boss. They do not participate in any form of fair selection in the country. Almost all cases they select and load many times inferior candidates even though candidate was not seen by anybody or interviewed. Similarly they distribute various national awards among themselves and within their group. THEY ARE NOT ASHAMED AT ALL. This is just an attempt of WASTING HUGE PUBLIC MONEY by a bunch of crooks who are good for nothing but worst for everything. Sham ** ** -- Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:47:06 +0530 From: vikasnavra...@gmail.com Subject: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Dear all Kindly make a note. Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore. ** ** Molecular Biophysics Unit (http://mbu.iisc.ernet.in/) ** ** Opening for Assistant Professor Positions. ** ** Applicants, preferably below 35 years, should have a Ph.D. with postdoctoral experience with an excellent publication record. ** ** We seek candidates in the general area of structural biology with an emphasis on understanding macromolecular systems at the molecular level. ** ** Applications with a detailed CV, research plan (not exceeding 3 pages) and names of at least 4 referees should be sent to chair...@mbu.iisc.ernet.in Best
Re: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore
I do not think prof Chitta Das understands the meaning of Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) in US. If Purdue which is an EEO institute had followed the criteria of below 35 years age to select assistant profs then he would not have served as an Assistant Prof today. On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Toufic El Arnaout tou...@inmesolabs.netwrote: There is a big difference between reading does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, age, sexual orientation, marital status, national origin, disability, or status as a disabled, Vietnam-era, or other eligible veteran and below 35 years. Then regarding Prof. Chitta's reply, comparing 35 years (india) and 45 years (US) extends it not just to the age, but also to the origin maybe :) toufic On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 7:21 PM, James Stroud xtald...@gmail.com wrote: The agism in the advertisement doesn't do the institute much credit. I'm inclined to believe Sham, given the Institutes stated policies: Applicants, preferably below 35 years James On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Narayana VL Sthanam wrote: Sham, who so ever you are, if you have such a long list of complaints, why don’t you put your name clearly and complain openly, instead of hiding behind some anonymous ‘SHAM’ name. What you write about IISc may be all true or it may be reflection of your frustration for not getting a job at IISc!** ** How do we know? So, grow a ‘spine’, if you have a complaint, say it like a man and do not hide behind and bad mouth others anonymously like spoiled child. You are not only throwing dirt on such a prestigious Indian institution, and also on many decent and capable scientists who do outstanding work and produce brilliant graduate students, some of which I was fortunate to have in my lab. ** ** Best Narayana Sthanam ** ** *--* *Narayana Sthanam,Ph D* *Professor of Structural Biology* *244 CBSE 1025 18th Street South* *Center for Biophysical Sciences and Engineering* *University of Alabama at Birmingham* *Birmingham, Al 35294* *Phone: 205 934 0119* *URL: **http://www.opt.uab.edu/narayanalab*https://mail.ad.uab.edu/owa/redir.aspx?C=80a7a9ef03ea46b58d648b78f13d4272URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.opt.uab.edu%2fnarayanalab “Never let success go to your head, nor failure to your heart” ** ** ** ** *From:* CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] *On Behalf Of *U US *Sent:* Monday, October 29, 2012 12:03 PM *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK *Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore ** ** Dear Friends, There is no need to apply to this position, we suggest. It is a PREDETERMINED SELECTION, i.e. candidate is fixed and this (advertisement, screening, selection board, selection and approval) is just the procedure. It does not matter whether you apply or not. If you apply and called for interview, then you have to waste your valuable time as well as huge travel money unless some Big Boss is fixing you to the post. Interestingly Indian Institute of Science recruits and carries faculties and trains them in such a way that it has become a epicentre of recruitment scams across India and it make rest of Indian Scientists/Faculties in their path of scams and CRIME. Students also inherit the character of their boss. They do not participate in any form of fair selection in the country. Almost all cases they select and load many times inferior candidates even though candidate was not seen by anybody or interviewed. Similarly they distribute various national awards among themselves and within their group. THEY ARE NOT ASHAMED AT ALL. This is just an attempt of WASTING HUGE PUBLIC MONEY by a bunch of crooks who are good for nothing but worst for everything. Sham ** ** -- Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:47:06 +0530 From: vikasnavra...@gmail.com Subject: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Dear all Kindly make a note. Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore. ** ** Molecular Biophysics Unit (http://mbu.iisc.ernet.in/) ** ** Opening for Assistant Professor Positions. ** ** Applicants, preferably below 35 years, should have a Ph.D. with postdoctoral experience with an excellent publication record. ** ** We seek candidates in the general area of structural biology with an emphasis on understanding macromolecular systems at the molecular level. ** ** Applications with a detailed CV, research plan (not exceeding 3 pages) and names of at least 4 referees should be sent to chair...@mbu.iisc.ernet.in Best
[ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore
Dear all Kindly make a note. Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore. Molecular Biophysics Unit (http://mbu.iisc.ernet.in/) Opening for Assistant Professor Positions. Applicants, preferably below 35 years, should have a Ph.D. with postdoctoral experience with an excellent publication record. We seek candidates in the general area of structural biology with an emphasis on understanding macromolecular systems at the molecular level. Applications with a detailed CV, research plan (not exceeding 3 pages) and names of at least 4 referees should be sent to chair...@mbu.iisc.ernet.in Best
Re: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore
Dear Friends, There is no need to apply to this position, we suggest. It is a PREDETERMINED SELECTION, i.e. candidate is fixed and this (advertisement, screening, selection board, selection and approval) is just the procedure. It does not matter whether you apply or not. If you apply and called for interview, then you have to waste your valuable time as well as huge travel money unless some Big Boss is fixing you to the post. Interestingly Indian Institute of Science recruits and carries faculties and trains them in such a way that it has become a epicentre of recruitment scams across India and it make rest of Indian Scientists/Faculties in their path of scams and CRIME. Students also inherit the character of their boss. They do not participate in any form of fair selection in the country. Almost all cases they select and load many times inferior candidates even though candidate was not seen by anybody or interviewed. Similarly they distribute various national awards among themselves and within their group. THEY ARE NOT ASHAMED AT ALL. This is just an attempt of WASTING HUGE PUBLIC MONEY by a bunch of crooks who are good for nothing but worst for everything. Sham Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:47:06 +0530 From: vikasnavra...@gmail.com Subject: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Dear all Kindly make a note. Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore. Molecular Biophysics Unit (http://mbu.iisc.ernet.in/) Opening for Assistant Professor Positions. Applicants, preferably below 35 years, should have a Ph.D. with postdoctoral experience with an excellent publication record. We seek candidates in the general area of structural biology with an emphasis on understanding macromolecular systems at the molecular level. Applications with a detailed CV, research plan (not exceeding 3 pages) and names of at least 4 referees should be sent to chair...@mbu.iisc.ernet.in Best
Re: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore
Sham, who so ever you are, if you have such a long list of complaints, why don't you put your name clearly and complain openly, instead of hiding behind some anonymous 'SHAM' name. What you write about IISc may be all true or it may be reflection of your frustration for not getting a job at IISc! How do we know? So, grow a 'spine', if you have a complaint, say it like a man and do not hide behind and bad mouth others anonymously like spoiled child. You are not only throwing dirt on such a prestigious Indian institution, and also on many decent and capable scientists who do outstanding work and produce brilliant graduate students, some of which I was fortunate to have in my lab. Best Narayana Sthanam -- Narayana Sthanam,Ph D Professor of Structural Biology 244 CBSE 1025 18th Street South Center for Biophysical Sciences and Engineering University of Alabama at Birmingham Birmingham, Al 35294 Phone: 205 934 0119 URL: http://www.opt.uab.edu/narayanalabhttps://mail.ad.uab.edu/owa/redir.aspx?C=80a7a9ef03ea46b58d648b78f13d4272URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.opt.uab.edu%2fnarayanalab Never let success go to your head, nor failure to your heart From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of U US Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 12:03 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore Dear Friends, There is no need to apply to this position, we suggest. It is a PREDETERMINED SELECTION, i.e. candidate is fixed and this (advertisement, screening, selection board, selection and approval) is just the procedure. It does not matter whether you apply or not. If you apply and called for interview, then you have to waste your valuable time as well as huge travel money unless some Big Boss is fixing you to the post. Interestingly Indian Institute of Science recruits and carries faculties and trains them in such a way that it has become a epicentre of recruitment scams across India and it make rest of Indian Scientists/Faculties in their path of scams and CRIME. Students also inherit the character of their boss. They do not participate in any form of fair selection in the country. Almost all cases they select and load many times inferior candidates even though candidate was not seen by anybody or interviewed. Similarly they distribute various national awards among themselves and within their group. THEY ARE NOT ASHAMED AT ALL. This is just an attempt of WASTING HUGE PUBLIC MONEY by a bunch of crooks who are good for nothing but worst for everything. Sham Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:47:06 +0530 From: vikasnavra...@gmail.commailto:vikasnavra...@gmail.com Subject: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UKmailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Dear all Kindly make a note. Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore. Molecular Biophysics Unit (http://mbu.iisc.ernet.in/) Opening for Assistant Professor Positions. Applicants, preferably below 35 years, should have a Ph.D. with postdoctoral experience with an excellent publication record. We seek candidates in the general area of structural biology with an emphasis on understanding macromolecular systems at the molecular level. Applications with a detailed CV, research plan (not exceeding 3 pages) and names of at least 4 referees should be sent to chair...@mbu.iisc.ernet.inmailto:chair...@mbu.iisc.ernet.in Best
Re: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore
My dear Sham, Who ever you are, first I would like to tell you, if you are not aware, that CCP4bb is not a platform for the kind of you mail you have written. I am an alumnus of MBU (IISc) and would be happy to answer your doubts emerged of frustrations. I am sending this mail to the whole group, however, I invite you to discuss about this personally with me if you dare. Perhaps CCP4bb moderators should warn/block such anonymous individuals for writing this kind of rubbish mails. Thanks Alok On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:03 PM, U US u...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear Friends, There is no need to apply to this position, we suggest. It is a PREDETERMINED SELECTION, i.e. candidate is fixed and this (advertisement, screening, selection board, selection and approval) is just the procedure. It does not matter whether you apply or not. If you apply and called for interview, then you have to waste your valuable time as well as huge travel money unless some Big Boss is fixing you to the post. Interestingly Indian Institute of Science recruits and carries faculties and trains them in such a way that it has become a epicentre of recruitment scams across India and it make rest of Indian Scientists/Faculties in their path of scams and CRIME. Students also inherit the character of their boss. They do not participate in any form of fair selection in the country. Almost all cases they select and load many times inferior candidates even though candidate was not seen by anybody or interviewed. Similarly they distribute various national awards among themselves and within their group. THEY ARE NOT ASHAMED AT ALL. This is just an attempt of WASTING HUGE PUBLIC MONEY by a bunch of crooks who are good for nothing but worst for everything. Sham -- Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:47:06 +0530 From: vikasnavra...@gmail.com Subject: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Dear all Kindly make a note. Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore. Molecular Biophysics Unit (http://mbu.iisc.ernet.in/) Opening for Assistant Professor Positions. Applicants, preferably below 35 years, should have a Ph.D. with postdoctoral experience with an excellent publication record. We seek candidates in the general area of structural biology with an emphasis on understanding macromolecular systems at the molecular level. Applications with a detailed CV, research plan (not exceeding 3 pages) and names of at least 4 referees should be sent to chair...@mbu.iisc.ernet.in Best
Re: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore
This is not a reply to the post by some one called Sham or the original post calling for a faculty position. Everyone here who ever had an experience to be an IIScian and especially any one who been fortunate to experience Molecualr Biophysics Unit will disagree with what was writen about the faculty and the quality of science of MBU. I strongly disagree with students who are a part of MBU at one time turned unfortunately to be thugs to write such deleterious mails. My experiecne about MBU is definitely not same as what is written here. All this mail intend to do is (and i am sure all MBUians will agree) to express strong support for MBU and its great tradition. Padayatti PS Polgenix Inc., Cleveland, Ohio On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 2:17 AM, vikas navratna vikasnavra...@gmail.comwrote: Dear all Kindly make a note. Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore. Molecular Biophysics Unit (http://mbu.iisc.ernet.in/) Opening for Assistant Professor Positions. Applicants, preferably below 35 years, should have a Ph.D. with postdoctoral experience with an excellent publication record. We seek candidates in the general area of structural biology with an emphasis on understanding macromolecular systems at the molecular level. Applications with a detailed CV, research plan (not exceeding 3 pages) and names of at least 4 referees should be sent to chair...@mbu.iisc.ernet.in Best -- PSP
[ccp4bb] Very sorry for one more message == RE: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore
I fully agree with Pius. I am very sorry other CCP users for sending one more message and filling your mail box for some crazy guys reply. Thanks, Mathews -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Pius Padayatti Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 10:58 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore This is not a reply to the post by some one called Sham or the original post calling for a faculty position. Everyone here who ever had an experience to be an IIScian and especially any one who been fortunate to experience Molecualr Biophysics Unit will disagree with what was writen about the faculty and the quality of science of MBU. I strongly disagree with students who are a part of MBU at one time turned unfortunately to be thugs to write such deleterious mails. My experiecne about MBU is definitely not same as what is written here. All this mail intend to do is (and i am sure all MBUians will agree) to express strong support for MBU and its great tradition. Padayatti PS Polgenix Inc., Cleveland, Ohio On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 2:17 AM, vikas navratna vikasnavra...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all Kindly make a note. Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore. Molecular Biophysics Unit (http://mbu.iisc.ernet.in/) Opening for Assistant Professor Positions. Applicants, preferably below 35 years, should have a Ph.D. with postdoctoral experience with an excellent publication record. We seek candidates in the general area of structural biology with an emphasis on understanding macromolecular systems at the molecular level. Applications with a detailed CV, research plan (not exceeding 3 pages) and names of at least 4 referees should be sent to chair...@mbu.iisc.ernet.in Best -- PSP
Re: [ccp4bb] Very sorry for one more message == RE: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore
As an IISc alumnus and Ex-MBUite, I outright reject the contents of the email posted by Sham. It is sad to see how a platform such as CCP4BB, which is so educational and informative is being misused by one individual to spread false message and discredit one of the esteemed institute of higher learning. Regrettably, Sridhar Prasad On 10/29/2012 11:09 AM, Mathews, Irimpan I. wrote: I fully agree with Pius. I am very sorry other CCP users for sending one more message and filling your mail box for some crazy guys reply. Thanks, Mathews -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Pius Padayatti Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 10:58 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore This is not a reply to the post by some one called Sham or the original post calling for a faculty position. Everyone here who ever had an experience to be an IIScian and especially any one who been fortunate to experience Molecualr Biophysics Unit will disagree with what was writen about the faculty and the quality of science of MBU. I strongly disagree with students who are a part of MBU at one time turned unfortunately to be thugs to write such deleterious mails. My experiecne about MBU is definitely not same as what is written here. All this mail intend to do is (and i am sure all MBUians will agree) to express strong support for MBU and its great tradition. Padayatti PS Polgenix Inc., Cleveland, Ohio On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 2:17 AM, vikas navratna vikasnavra...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all Kindly make a note. Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore. Molecular Biophysics Unit (http://mbu.iisc.ernet.in/) Opening for Assistant Professor Positions. Applicants, preferably below 35 years, should have a Ph.D. with postdoctoral experience with an excellent publication record. We seek candidates in the general area of structural biology with an emphasis on understanding macromolecular systems at the molecular level. Applications with a detailed CV, research plan (not exceeding 3 pages) and names of at least 4 referees should be sent to chair...@mbu.iisc.ernet.in Best attachment: sprasad.vcf
Re: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore
Sham is very right about the institute. Narayana Sthanam's illustrious former colleague Krishna Murthy who faked so many structures retracted quite a few papers was an alumnus of the institute. On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:21 PM, James Stroud xtald...@gmail.com wrote: The agism in the advertisement doesn't do the institute much credit. I'm inclined to believe Sham, given the Institutes stated policies: Applicants, preferably below 35 years James On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Narayana VL Sthanam wrote: Sham, who so ever you are, if you have such a long list of complaints, why don’t you put your name clearly and complain openly, instead of hiding behind some anonymous ‘SHAM’ name. What you write about IISc may be all true or it may be reflection of your frustration for not getting a job at IISc!*** * How do we know? So, grow a ‘spine’, if you have a complaint, say it like a man and do not hide behind and bad mouth others anonymously like spoiled child. You are not only throwing dirt on such a prestigious Indian institution, and also on many decent and capable scientists who do outstanding work and produce brilliant graduate students, some of which I was fortunate to have in my lab. ** ** Best Narayana Sthanam ** ** *--* *Narayana Sthanam,Ph D* *Professor of Structural Biology* *244 CBSE 1025 18th Street South* *Center for Biophysical Sciences and Engineering* *University of Alabama at Birmingham* *Birmingham, Al 35294* *Phone: 205 934 0119* *URL: **http://www.opt.uab.edu/narayanalab*https://mail.ad.uab.edu/owa/redir.aspx?C=80a7a9ef03ea46b58d648b78f13d4272URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.opt.uab.edu%2fnarayanalab “Never let success go to your head, nor failure to your heart ” ** ** ** ** *From:* CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] *On Behalf Of *U US *Sent:* Monday, October 29, 2012 12:03 PM *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK *Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore ** ** Dear Friends, There is no need to apply to this position, we suggest. It is a PREDETERMINED SELECTION, i.e. candidate is fixed and this (advertisement, screening, selection board, selection and approval) is just the procedure. It does not matter whether you apply or not. If you apply and called for interview, then you have to waste your valuable time as well as huge travel money unless some Big Boss is fixing you to the post. Interestingly Indian Institute of Science recruits and carries faculties and trains them in such a way that it has become a epicentre of recruitment scams across India and it make rest of Indian Scientists/Faculties in their path of scams and CRIME. Students also inherit the character of their boss. They do not participate in any form of fair selection in the country. Almost all cases they select and load many times inferior candidates even though candidate was not seen by anybody or interviewed. Similarly they distribute various national awards among themselves and within their group. THEY ARE NOT ASHAMED AT ALL. This is just an attempt of WASTING HUGE PUBLIC MONEY by a bunch of crooks who are good for nothing but worst for everything. Sham ** ** -- Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:47:06 +0530 From: vikasnavra...@gmail.com Subject: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Dear all Kindly make a note. Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore. ** ** Molecular Biophysics Unit (http://mbu.iisc.ernet.in/) ** ** Opening for Assistant Professor Positions. ** ** Applicants, preferably below 35 years, should have a Ph.D. with postdoctoral experience with an excellent publication record. ** ** We seek candidates in the general area of structural biology with an emphasis on understanding macromolecular systems at the molecular level. ** ** Applications with a detailed CV, research plan (not exceeding 3 pages) and names of at least 4 referees should be sent to chair...@mbu.iisc.ernet.in Best
Re: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore
Please allow me to share with you some history here. Late Prof. GN Ramachandran (of Ramachandran Plot) was a faculty of MBU, IISC. If you want to find out yourself how good/bad it is, please register for the upcoming conference on International Conference on Biomolecular Forms and Functions: celebrating 50 years of the Ramachandran Map. Chitta P.S. The agism means: 'we prefer assistant professors who are not too old' (35 years according to Indian life expectancy is 45 years in the US). Chitta Das Assistant Professor of Chemistry Department of Chemistry Purdue University 560 Oval Drive West Lafayette IN 47907 Ph. 765 494 5478 http://www.chem.purdue.edu/das/ - Original Message - From: James Stroud xtald...@gmail.com To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 3:21:51 PM Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore The agism in the advertisement doesn't do the institute much credit. I'm inclined to believe Sham, given the Institutes stated policies: Applicants, preferably below 35 years James On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Narayana VL Sthanam wrote: Sham, who so ever you are, if you have such a long list of complaints, why don’t you put your name clearly and complain openly, instead of hiding behind some anonymous ‘SHAM’ name. What you write about IISc may be all true or it may be reflection of your frustration for not getting a job at IISc! How do we know? So, grow a ‘spine’, if you have a complaint, say it like a man and do not hide behind and bad mouth others anonymously like spoiled child. You are not only throwing dirt on such a prestigious Indian institution, and also on many decent and capable scientists who do outstanding work and produce brilliant graduate students, some of which I was fortunate to have in my lab. Best Narayana Sthanam -- Narayana Sthanam,Ph D Professor of Structural Biology 244 CBSE 1025 18th Street South Center for Biophysical Sciences and Engineering University of Alabama at Birmingham Birmingham, Al 35294 Phone: 205 934 0119 URL: http://www.opt.uab.edu/narayanalab “ Never let success go to your head, nor failure to your heart ” From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of U US Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 12:03 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore Dear Friends, There is no need to apply to this position, we suggest. It is a PREDETERMINED SELECTION, i.e. candidate is fixed and this (advertisement, screening, selection board, selection and approval) is just the procedure. It does not matter whether you apply or not. If you apply and called for interview, then you have to waste your valuable time as well as huge travel money unless some Big Boss is fixing you to the post. Interestingly Indian Institute of Science recruits and carries faculties and trains them in such a way that it has become a epicentre of recruitment scams across India and it make rest of Indian Scientists/Faculties in their path of scams and CRIME. Students also inherit the character of their boss. They do not participate in any form of fair selection in the country. Almost all cases they select and load many times inferior candidates even though candidate was not seen by anybody or interviewed. Similarly they distribute various national awards among themselves and within their group. THEY ARE NOT ASHAMED AT ALL. This is just an attempt of WASTING HUGE PUBLIC MONEY by a bunch of crooks who are good for nothing but worst for everything. Sham Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:47:06 +0530 From: vikasnavra...@gmail.com Subject: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Dear all Kindly make a note. Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore. Molecular Biophysics Unit ( http://mbu.iisc.ernet.in/ ) Opening for Assistant Professor Positions. Applicants, preferably below 35 years, should have a Ph.D. with postdoctoral experience with an excellent publication record. We seek candidates in the general area of structural biology with an emphasis on understanding macromolecular systems at the molecular level. Applications with a detailed CV, research plan (not exceeding 3 pages) and names of at least 4 referees should be sent to chair...@mbu.iisc.ernet.in Best
Re: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore
Just to let Narayan Viswam know more about HM Krishnamurthy. He did his PhD from IISc long long back in 1979 on small molecule crystallography. Then he did his postdoc in protein crystallography from two top most Universities of USA. He had been mentored by really really great protein crystallographers in USA. Everybody will agree that neither the Institute nor the mentors should be blamed for such acts. This is individual's character and act. I am sure that there are many more frustrated people who did not get through the prestigious institute at some level of their life. Such comments deserve nothing more than the ignorance. Seems grapes are sour :) MT On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 1:08 AM, Narayan Viswam nvisw...@gmail.com wrote: Sham is very right about the institute. Narayana Sthanam's illustrious former colleague Krishna Murthy who faked so many structures retracted quite a few papers was an alumnus of the institute. On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:21 PM, James Stroud xtald...@gmail.com wrote: The agism in the advertisement doesn't do the institute much credit. I'm inclined to believe Sham, given the Institutes stated policies: Applicants, preferably below 35 years James On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Narayana VL Sthanam wrote: Sham, who so ever you are, if you have such a long list of complaints, why don’t you put your name clearly and complain openly, instead of hiding behind some anonymous ‘SHAM’ name. What you write about IISc may be all true or it may be reflection of your frustration for not getting a job at IISc!** ** How do we know? So, grow a ‘spine’, if you have a complaint, say it like a man and do not hide behind and bad mouth others anonymously like spoiled child. You are not only throwing dirt on such a prestigious Indian institution, and also on many decent and capable scientists who do outstanding work and produce brilliant graduate students, some of which I was fortunate to have in my lab. ** ** Best Narayana Sthanam ** ** *--* *Narayana Sthanam,Ph D* *Professor of Structural Biology* *244 CBSE 1025 18th Street South* *Center for Biophysical Sciences and Engineering* *University of Alabama at Birmingham* *Birmingham, Al 35294* *Phone: 205 934 0119* *URL: **http://www.opt.uab.edu/narayanalab*https://mail.ad.uab.edu/owa/redir.aspx?C=80a7a9ef03ea46b58d648b78f13d4272URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.opt.uab.edu%2fnarayanalab “Never let success go to your head, nor failure to your heart” ** ** ** ** *From:* CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] *On Behalf Of *U US *Sent:* Monday, October 29, 2012 12:03 PM *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK *Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore ** ** Dear Friends, There is no need to apply to this position, we suggest. It is a PREDETERMINED SELECTION, i.e. candidate is fixed and this (advertisement, screening, selection board, selection and approval) is just the procedure. It does not matter whether you apply or not. If you apply and called for interview, then you have to waste your valuable time as well as huge travel money unless some Big Boss is fixing you to the post. Interestingly Indian Institute of Science recruits and carries faculties and trains them in such a way that it has become a epicentre of recruitment scams across India and it make rest of Indian Scientists/Faculties in their path of scams and CRIME. Students also inherit the character of their boss. They do not participate in any form of fair selection in the country. Almost all cases they select and load many times inferior candidates even though candidate was not seen by anybody or interviewed. Similarly they distribute various national awards among themselves and within their group. THEY ARE NOT ASHAMED AT ALL. This is just an attempt of WASTING HUGE PUBLIC MONEY by a bunch of crooks who are good for nothing but worst for everything. Sham ** ** -- Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:47:06 +0530 From: vikasnavra...@gmail.com Subject: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Dear all Kindly make a note. Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore. ** ** Molecular Biophysics Unit (http://mbu.iisc.ernet.in/) ** ** Opening for Assistant Professor Positions. ** ** Applicants, preferably below 35 years, should have a Ph.D. with postdoctoral experience with an excellent publication record. ** ** We seek candidates in the general area of structural biology with an emphasis on understanding macromolecular systems at the molecular level. ** ** Applications with a detailed CV, research plan (not exceeding 3 pages) and names of at least 4 referees should be sent to chair
Re: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore
I have no idea about Bangalore, but I know from personal experience that already-filled job ads exist and waste everybody's time. One of the junior faculty jobs I intereviewed for in the 90s at a prestigious US medical school turned out to be just such a thing - before I went people in the know told me which inside post-doc would get the position, faculty turnout to my presentation was low, and even during the visit somebody told me they thought it would be an inside deal. And in the end, it was. I had much better things to do with my time. ++ Phoebe A. Rice Dept. of Biochemistry Molecular Biology The University of Chicago 773 834 1723; pr...@uchicago.edumailto:pr...@uchicago.edu http://bmb.bsd.uchicago.edu/Faculty_and_Research/ http://www.rsc.org/shop/books/2008/9780854042722.asp From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] on behalf of Manoj Tiwari [diffracti...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:28 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore Just to let Narayan Viswam know more about HM Krishnamurthy. He did his PhD from IISc long long back in 1979 on small molecule crystallography. Then he did his postdoc in protein crystallography from two top most Universities of USA. He had been mentored by really really great protein crystallographers in USA. Everybody will agree that neither the Institute nor the mentors should be blamed for such acts. This is individual's character and act. I am sure that there are many more frustrated people who did not get through the prestigious institute at some level of their life. Such comments deserve nothing more than the ignorance. Seems grapes are sour :) MT On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 1:08 AM, Narayan Viswam nvisw...@gmail.commailto:nvisw...@gmail.com wrote: Sham is very right about the institute. Narayana Sthanam's illustrious former colleague Krishna Murthy who faked so many structures retracted quite a few papers was an alumnus of the institute. On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:21 PM, James Stroud xtald...@gmail.commailto:xtald...@gmail.com wrote: The agism in the advertisement doesn't do the institute much credit. I'm inclined to believe Sham, given the Institutes stated policies: Applicants, preferably below 35 years James On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Narayana VL Sthanam wrote: Sham, who so ever you are, if you have such a long list of complaints, why don’t you put your name clearly and complain openly, instead of hiding behind some anonymous ‘SHAM’ name. What you write about IISc may be all true or it may be reflection of your frustration for not getting a job at IISc! How do we know? So, grow a ‘spine’, if you have a complaint, say it like a man and do not hide behind and bad mouth others anonymously like spoiled child. You are not only throwing dirt on such a prestigious Indian institution, and also on many decent and capable scientists who do outstanding work and produce brilliant graduate students, some of which I was fortunate to have in my lab. Best Narayana Sthanam -- Narayana Sthanam,Ph D Professor of Structural Biology 244 CBSE 1025 18th Street South Center for Biophysical Sciences and Engineering University of Alabama at Birmingham Birmingham, Al 35294 Phone: 205 934 0119tel:205%20934%200119 URL: http://www.opt.uab.edu/narayanalabhttps://mail.ad.uab.edu/owa/redir.aspx?C=80a7a9ef03ea46b58d648b78f13d4272URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.opt.uab.edu%2fnarayanalab “Never let success go to your head, nor failure to your heart” From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UKmailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of U US Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 12:03 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UKmailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore Dear Friends, There is no need to apply to this position, we suggest. It is a PREDETERMINED SELECTION, i.e. candidate is fixed and this (advertisement, screening, selection board, selection and approval) is just the procedure. It does not matter whether you apply or not. If you apply and called for interview, then you have to waste your valuable time as well as huge travel money unless some Big Boss is fixing you to the post. Interestingly Indian Institute of Science recruits and carries faculties and trains them in such a way that it has become a epicentre of recruitment scams across India and it make rest of Indian Scientists/Faculties in their path of scams and CRIME. Students also inherit the character of their boss. They do not participate in any form of fair selection in the country. Almost all cases they select and load many times inferior candidates even though candidate was not seen by anybody or interviewed. Similarly they distribute various national awards among themselves and within
Re: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore
Dear Patrick, Thanks and Nice query. As stated, Almost all cases they select and load many times inferior candidates even though candidate was not seen by anybody (selectors) or interviewed. This means all what they are. In all cases it is their mutual understanding to fix their own people, through the back-door deal. Here those people will disagree who got into a position through the same means. Some scientists are excellent in science, and some students are really genius. Purpose is not to defame Indian Institute of Science (IISc). But there have been enormous number of garbage loaded who are not only defaming IISc but also entire India. Unfortunately they are heading and dominating entire India with some of their supporting partners. If Faculties/Scientists of this Institute of repute do not stand bold against the wrong doing and illegal activities within the Institute and outside where they are called for as a selector but actively participate in all shorts of illegal activities including closed room deal, then those elements needed to be cleaned. They are not only destroying repute of IISc, but also entire system including scientific community and outcome (Cheating, retraction, plagiarism and so on). World suffers not because of violence of the bad people, but because of silence of good people. If good people remain silent during the crisis then they cannot claim as good people. Formation of Good crystal depends on formation of good nucleation. Good crystal gives good diffraction and good structure in the end. In entire India (IISERs, IITs, NIPERs, NITs, Universities) substandard people has been loaded by the substandard people acting as a selector and IISc takes its leading role. All through the back door deal and predetermined. So quality of diffraction (i.e. outcome) one can easily imagine. India is probably going though the worst kind of regime of scams (many trillions $) and lowest moral. In India there is nothing called fair selection, all are predetermined. Any kind of predetermined execution is nothing but crime - be it in Wall Street, London, or Europe and any other civilized place. If they have a better or best candidate of their own choice, they should not do all the drama of advertisement, screening, selection board, selection and approval by the selection committee etc. wasting huge public money. Moreover, they do not pay travel or accommodation cost in general to the candidate(s). Because if candidates do not appear, selection is fixed; if candidates appear, then also selection is fixed. Age restriction only applies to those who do not have back up of big boss. If they want to feed somebody they will do at any age. If age factor is meaningful then retired person should not get the extension. But there are Old-homes for which public expenditure is enormous without much outcome. Therefore, bureaucracy is of worst kind. So, no hope of natural evolution of talents, though they deliver fake speeches. Again, India is probably going though the worst kind of regime of scams (many trillions $) and lowest moral (Political as well as social). In stead of being emotional and attacking us, IISc alumni must come forward, unitedly address the core issues (stated) for the goodness of every Indians and scientific community overall. You will not do that, because you all like to enjoy the wine from the same bottle your bosses made for you. Students also inherit the character of their boss. We did not post anything against the Inst., we just made people aware that there is not nothing in India which is not predetermined selection. Thanks.Sham Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 19:00:50 + Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Faculty positions at Molecular Biophysics Unit, IISc, Bangalore From: patr...@douglas.co.uk To: u...@hotmail.com Dear Sham Out of curiosity, why do you say all that? What you say may be true, but how can you tell? Do they always take their own people? Maybe they have someone in mind, but maybe they will change their minds if someone even better turns up. Just interested. Patrick On 29 October 2012 17:03, U US u...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear Friends, There is no need to apply to this position, we suggest. It is a PREDETERMINED SELECTION, i.e. candidate is fixed and this (advertisement, screening, selection board, selection and approval) is just the procedure. It does not matter whether you apply or not. If you apply and called for interview, then you have to waste your valuable time as well as huge travel money unless some Big Boss is fixing you to the post. Interestingly Indian Institute of Science recruits and carries faculties and trains them in such a way that it has become a epicentre of recruitment scams across India and it make rest of Indian Scientists/Faculties in their path of scams and CRIME. Students also inherit the character of their boss. They do not participate in any form of fair selection in the country. Almost all cases
