Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"?

2013-05-16 Thread Colin Nave
.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Colin Nave Sent: 15 May 2013 22:17 To: ccp4bb Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"? Times up! The 3rd case I had in mind was the presence of anisotropy of the anomalous scattering in the presence of a polarised beam. John Helli

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"?

2013-05-15 Thread Colin Nave
guess it would also apply to Latin) language. Colin -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Colin Nave Sent: 15 May 2013 10:21 To: ccp4bb Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"? Oh – I seemed to ha

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"?

2013-05-15 Thread Eleanor Dodson
The traditional benefit was in reducing absorbtion errors. This obviously depends on crystal path, and seeing it is hard to model well, one way to mitigate the errors was to average equivalents collected at different settings. The error was still there, but assuming random distribution about the tr

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"?

2013-05-15 Thread Colin Nave
Oh – I seemed to have diverted Frank’s thread. Fortunately most languages themselves are highly redundant, with following characters and words being quite predictable. The entropy and redundancy of English language was analysed by Shannon (with the help of his wife) and he obtained figures of

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"?

2013-05-15 Thread George Sheldrick
One day many years ago, my Ph.D. students all appeared wearing T-shirts with the logo "We want more redundancy". They had clearly got the message about how to do sulfur SAD phasing, but were completely unaware of the usual meaning of the word in the UK! George -- Prof. George M. Sheldrick FRS

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"?

2013-05-15 Thread Harry Powell
ments under different conditions, the effect of these systematic errors will be minimised. Can anyone suggest other sources of error which would be mitigated by having different paths through the crystal. I don't think radiation damage (mentioned by several people) is one. Colin From

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"?

2013-05-14 Thread Jrh
e) is one. > > Colin > > From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Frank > von Delft > Sent: 14 May 2013 14:23 > To: ccp4bb > Subject: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"? > > George points out that the

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"?

2013-05-14 Thread Edward A. Berry
Behalf Of Frank von Delft Sent: 14 May 2013 14:23 To: ccp4bb Subject: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"? George points out that the quote I referred to did not make it to the BB -- here we go, read below and learn, it is a most succinct summary. phx --

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"?

2013-05-14 Thread Ethan Merritt
y having > different paths through the crystal. I don't think radiation damage > (mentioned by several people) is one. > > Colin > > From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Frank > von Delft > Sent: 14 May 2013 14:23 > To: ccp4bb > Subje

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"?

2013-05-14 Thread Fischmann, Thierry
Colin wrote: > Can anyone suggest other sources of error which would be mitigated by having > different paths through the crystal. I don't think radiation damage > (mentioned by several people) is one. Suggestion : any source of error which does not obey the crystal symmetries will benefit from

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"?

2013-05-14 Thread Colin Nave
K] On Behalf Of Frank von Delft Sent: 14 May 2013 14:23 To: ccp4bb Subject: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"? George points out that the quote I referred to did not make it to the BB -- here we go, read below and learn, it is a most succinct summary. phx --

[ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"?

2013-05-14 Thread Frank von Delft
George points out that the quote I referred to did not make it to the BB -- here we go, read below and learn, it is a most succinct summary. phx Original Message Subject:Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"? Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 09:25:22 +0100 From: Fran