Re: [ccp4bb] Issue with high Rfree (0.25) for a high-resolution dataset (1.05 Ang)

2018-10-18 Thread James Phillips
The comments on overloads are interesting and can be checked on your raw images by zooming in to suspected overload reflections. Do the maps look good. What is Rfree. When you try anisotropic refinement what does Rfree do. Have you put Hydrogen atoms as riders? Questions not answers, sorry

Re: [ccp4bb] Issue with high Rfree (0.25) for a high-resolution dataset (1.05 Ang)

2018-10-11 Thread Tim Gruene
Dear Guto, integration programs often ignore overloads, and most of them know the detector cut-offs. mosflm has the option to estimate the resolution of overloaded reflections from the none-overloaded parts. This should not be a replacement for proper collection of a low resolution data set, but

Re: [ccp4bb] Issue with high Rfree (0.25) for a high-resolution dataset (1.05 Ang)

2018-10-11 Thread Guto Rhys
Hi all, Firstly, I’d like to say I’m really impressed with the volume, speed and detail of the response that I have received. Thanks everyone. Overloads Eddie, Marc, Eleanor, Harry and Misha; thanks to all for suggesting collection strategies and identifying the likely issue. Yesterday, I had

Re: [ccp4bb] Issue with high Rfree (0.25) for a high-resolution dataset (1.05 Ang)

2018-10-10 Thread Edward Snell
png@01D4608C.2A6224F0] Heisenberg was probably here! From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Marc Graille Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:14 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Issue with high Rfree (0.25) for a high-resolution dataset (1.05 Ang) D

Re: [ccp4bb] Issue with high Rfree (0.25) for a high-resolution dataset (1.05 Ang)

2018-10-10 Thread Marc Graille
Dear Auto,with such crystals diffracting like rocks, it can be useful to collect two datasets. One at “low" resolution (up to 3A)  using low exposure time and/or low dose to avoid overloads and a second at higher resolution (1A in your case) using higher dose. Then, merge those two datasets into a

Re: [ccp4bb] Issue with high Rfree (0.25) for a high-resolution dataset (1.05 Ang)

2018-10-10 Thread Harry Powell
Hi I forgot something - "paired refinement" is the current gold standard for determining a sensible resolution cut-off (see other ccp4bb discussions on the topic). On 10 Oct 2018, at 11:49, Harry Powell wrote: > Hi > > As a referee, if I had been supplied with data processing statistics that

Re: [ccp4bb] Issue with high Rfree (0.25) for a high-resolution dataset (1.05 Ang)

2018-10-10 Thread Harry Powell
Hi As a referee, if I had been supplied with data processing statistics that indicate there is good information going to a higher resolution than that used for refinement etc, I would want to know why the data had been cut off. "Making life easier" wouldn't cut the mustard, I'm afraid!

Re: [ccp4bb] Issue with high Rfree (0.25) for a high-resolution dataset (1.05 Ang)

2018-10-10 Thread Petri Kursula
10 > 13125 Berlin > Germany > Phone: +49 (0)30 94793-284 > From: CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Pavel Afonine > > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:03:49 AM > To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Issue with high Rfree (0.25) for a high-resolu

Re: [ccp4bb] Issue with high Rfree (0.25) for a high-resolution dataset (1.05 Ang)

2018-10-10 Thread Barone, Matthias
logie (FMP) Robert-Rössle-Strasse 10 13125 Berlin Germany Phone: +49 (0)30 94793-284 From: CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Pavel Afonine Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:03:49 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Issue with high Rfree (0.25)

Re: [ccp4bb] Issue with high Rfree (0.25) for a high-resolution dataset (1.05 Ang)

2018-10-10 Thread Antonio Ariza
Hi Pavel, Obviously higher resolution typically means a more accurate atomic model of a crystal structure, but I also think that a 1.05 Ang structure is only going to provide you with a great deal more insight than a 1.1 or 1.2 Ang structure in very specific cases. Particularly if your stats

Re: [ccp4bb] Issue with high Rfree (0.25) for a high-resolution dataset (1.05 Ang)

2018-10-10 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Tony, I always feel some people are too "greedy" with the resolution they want to > achieve. I mostly find that extremely high density is a pain to work with > as it's usually accompanied by many dual, triple conformers, a lot of noise > in the solvent phase that is often difficult to

Re: [ccp4bb] Issue with high Rfree (0.25) for a high-resolution dataset (1.05 Ang)

2018-10-10 Thread Antonio Ariza
;http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15847> From: CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Guto Rhys Sent: 09 October 2018 18:12 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Issue with high Rfree (0.25) for a high-resolution dataset (1.05 Ang) Hi all, I have a

Re: [ccp4bb] Issue with high Rfree (0.25) for a high-resolution dataset (1.05 Ang)

2018-10-09 Thread Eleanor Dodson
of different restraints (for > exemple on B-factors) in order to get the lowest Rfree. > Best > Wim > > -- > *De: *"Robbie Joosten" > *À: *CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > *Envoyé: *Mardi 9 Octobre 2018 20:02:17 > *Objet: *Re: [ccp4bb] Issue with

Re: [ccp4bb] Issue with high Rfree (0.25) for a high-resolution dataset (1.05 Ang)

2018-10-09 Thread Wim Burmeister
De: "Robbie Joosten" À: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Envoyé: Mardi 9 Octobre 2018 20:02:17 Objet: Re: [ccp4bb] Issue with high Rfree (0.25) for a high-resolution dataset (1.05 Ang) Hi Hugo, Perhaps you should play with your refinement strategy. Use a decent number of cycles and

Re: [ccp4bb] Issue with high Rfree (0.25) for a high-resolution dataset (1.05 Ang)

2018-10-09 Thread Isupov, Michail
From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] on behalf of Guto Rhys [guto.r...@bristol.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 6:12 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Issue with high Rfree (0.25) for a high-resolution dataset (1.05 Ang) Hi all, I have a 1.05 Angstrom

Re: [ccp4bb] Issue with high Rfree (0.25) for a high-resolution dataset (1.05 Ang)

2018-10-09 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Hugo, Perhaps you should play with your refinement strategy. Use a decent number of cycles and a sensible restraint weight (something that gives you rmsZ < 1.0 and good R-factors). Anisotropic B-factors are probably needed and make your model as complete as your maps allow. You could try

[ccp4bb] Issue with high Rfree (0.25) for a high-resolution dataset (1.05 Ang)

2018-10-09 Thread Guto Rhys
Hi all, I have a 1.05 Angstrom dataset that I was able to phase but the refined model only has an Rfree of approximately 0.25. The dataset includes 1800 images and, as the crystal did not suffer significantly from radiation damage, comprises all 360 deg. Auto-processing pipelines at diamond