Re: [ccp4bb] SO4 or PO4

2019-02-18 Thread Edwin Pozharski
Consider removing sulfate from the mother liquor after crystals are formed. I recall having success replacing ammonium sulfate with sodium malonate (it's a nice cryoprotectant as well). This is assuming that ammonium sulfate is your major precipitant. If it's just an additive (say, your

Re: [ccp4bb] SO4 or PO4

2019-02-18 Thread Keller, Jacob
to this message and follow with its deletion, so that we can ensure such a mistake does not occur in the future. From: Goldman, Adrian Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 10:48 PM To: Keller, Jacob Cc: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] SO4 or PO4 The total number of electrons in the two

Re: [ccp4bb] SO4 or PO4

2019-02-17 Thread Goldman, Adrian
ensure such a mistake does not occur in the future. From: Eleanor Dodson mailto:eleanor.dod...@york.ac.uk>> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 6:12 PM To: Keller, Jacob mailto:kell...@janelia.hhmi.org>> Cc: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK<mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb]

Re: [ccp4bb] SO4 or PO4

2019-02-17 Thread Keller, Jacob
reply to this message and follow with its deletion, so that we can ensure such a mistake does not occur in the future. From: Eleanor Dodson Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 6:12 PM To: Keller, Jacob Cc: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] SO4 or PO4 Well - I try to quantify the relative

Re: [ccp4bb] : [ccp4bb] SO4 or PO4

2019-02-17 Thread Jim Pflugrath
Besides the anomalous difference peak which might be similar in height to the anom diff peak from an intrinsic sulfur found in cysteine or methionine, also consider hydrogen bonding. In general, a sulfate will not be donating a hydrogen bond. A phosphate probably will.

Re: [ccp4bb] SO4 or PO4

2019-02-17 Thread Eleanor Dodson
n consent of the sender. > If you received this message by mistake, please reply to this message and > follow with its deletion, so that we can ensure such a mistake does not > occur in the future. > > > > *From:* CCP4 bulletin board *On Behalf Of *Yu Qiu > *Sent:* Sunday, F

Re: [ccp4bb] SO4 or PO4

2019-02-17 Thread Keller, Jacob
such a mistake does not occur in the future. From: CCP4 bulletin board On Behalf Of Yu Qiu Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 9:11 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] SO4 or PO4 Hi Shijun, I had a similar issue a while ago that a acetylated lysine binding site was occupied by acetate from

Re: [ccp4bb] SO4 or PO4

2019-02-17 Thread Yu Qiu
[mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of ??? Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 8:57 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] SO4 or PO4 Dear all Thanks for all your suggestions. PO4 is from my Ligand PI3P, but I cannot see the electron density of the PI3P tail, and the binding site

Re: [ccp4bb] SO4 or PO4

2019-02-17 Thread 张士军
electron density in the other places, but is small than this one, and the diffraction resolution is 1.6A. Best Regards Shijun -Original Messages- From:"Roger Rowlett" Sent Time:2019-02-17 00:47:55 (Sunday) To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Cc: Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] SO4 or PO4

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2019-02-16 Thread Jan Stransky
likely to > give a clear result. If you could get to the sulfur & phosphorus > edges, then you could (in principle) answer this, but that’s a very > hard experiment to accomplish. > > >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> *From: *jlliu20022002 liu > <mailto:jlliu200

Re: [ccp4bb] SO4 or PO4

2019-02-16 Thread mesters
Anomalous is the way to go but it helps to think about the final concentrations used. With 50 mM PO4 (buffer) and 2 M  SO4 (ammonium sulfate) most "bindin sites in quesiton" will be occupied by SO4... My 2 cents Jeroen On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 4:07 AM 张士军 <21620150150...@stu.xmu.edu.cn

[ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] SO4 or PO4

2019-02-16 Thread Patrick Loll
ment to accomplish. > Begin forwarded message: > > From: jlliu20022002 liu > Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] SO4 or PO4 > Date: February 16, 2019 at 11:14:07 AM EST > To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Reply-To: jlliu20022002 liu > > How about collect data at sulfur peak. You might s

Re: [ccp4bb] SO4 or PO4

2019-02-16 Thread Roger Rowlett
Two things to look at that could provide a clue: Examine the anomalous map for some density over the central atom. Sulfur will often, but not always have significant anomalous density depending on the wavelength and quality of data set. Phosphate is normally HPO4= or H2PO4-. Look for phosphate

Re: [ccp4bb] SO4 or PO4

2019-02-16 Thread jlliu20022002 liu
How about collect data at sulfur peak. You might see anomalous peak for sulfur. Jinyu On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 4:07 AM 张士军 <21620150150...@stu.xmu.edu.cn> wrote: > Dear all > > I have got a crystal grown at the condition both have ion of SO4 and PO4, > and the diffraction resolution is very

[ccp4bb] SO4 or PO4

2019-02-16 Thread 张士军
Dear all I have got a crystal grown at the condition both have ion of SO4 and PO4, and the diffraction resolution is very well, but the problem is coming: how to tell which is which just from electron density? I think they are exactly same. Thanks a lot !!! Beat Regards Shijun