Re: [ccp4bb] Strange crystal packing in twined crystal -follow up

2022-09-26 Thread Petr Kolenko
PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Strange crystal packing in twined crystal -follow up Dear all, A couple of months ago I posted a message about strange crystal packing to the bb. Thank you all for your insightful responses. When we were unable to find any spurious electron

Re: [ccp4bb] Strange crystal packing in twined crystal -follow up

2022-09-26 Thread Schubot, Florian
Dear all, A couple of months ago I posted a message about strange crystal packing to the bb. Thank you all for your insightful responses. When we were unable to find any spurious electron density in the gap, we wondered if perhaps the twinning caused us to impose too high symmetry on our data

Re: [ccp4bb] Strange crystal packing in twined crystal

2022-07-24 Thread vincent Chaptal
Dear Florian, I had a similar case for the membrane protein OmpF where the protein stacked in columns, linked together by detergent belts acting as glue. This allowed for 2 disctinct monoclinic space groups, one with tNCS and the other one without. The detergent allowed for a rotation of a

Re: [ccp4bb] Strange crystal packing in twined crystal

2022-07-22 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Hmmm - is there a smaller lattice which might fit the density? As Andrew says there are examples of pseudo emptiness in crystals but there are more examples of wrong lattices! Check for non-crystallographic translation? You could attach the pointless/aimless/etc log files.. Eleanor On Fri, 22 Jul

Re: [ccp4bb] Strange crystal packing in twined crystal

2022-07-22 Thread Andrew Leslie - MRC LMB
Dear Florian, There have been previous examples where there are distinct “layers” of protein packing without any obvious density linking the layers, as it appears in the image you show. One is tyrosyl tRNA synthetase, where the layers were in fact linked by a disordered