[ccp4bb] Temp Fact Variance Analysis

2012-03-01 Thread Uma Ratu
Hello, I run my model in Coot to do Temp Fact Variance Analysis. There are red bars from the B-factor Variance graphy. I click each red bar to exam the residues in Coot. Many of these residues do not have the electronic density on their side chains, especially Lys residues. Here is my questions:

Re: [ccp4bb] Temp Fact Variance Analysis

2012-03-01 Thread Kelly Daughtry
Ros, I haven't used the Temp Fact Variance Analysis in Coot, but can guess that the red bars indicate increased b-factor compared to the average of your protein model? If so, then: *1. The lack of electronic density is the cause of these red-bars?* Likely yes. If there is no density to support

Re: [ccp4bb] Temp Fact Variance Analysis

2012-03-01 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Ros, yes, the lack of electron density is most likely the cause the these red bars (unless you set the map level rather high, but at the default chosen by coot that should be fine). yes - if you don't see electron density you don't have

Re: [ccp4bb] Temp Fact Variance Analysis

2012-03-01 Thread Ed Pozharski
2. How do I fix them? delete the side chains? Here we go again. Take a look at these threads http://www.dl.ac.uk/list-archive-public/ccp4bb/msg19738.html http://phenix-online.org/pipermail/phenixbb/2011-March/016875.html -- Oh, suddenly throwing a giraffe into a volcano to make water is

Re: [ccp4bb] Temp Fact Variance Analysis

2012-03-01 Thread Herman . Schreuder
, again for me, is the better description of the real situation. My 2 cents! Herman -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Tim Gruene Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 3:42 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Temp Fact Variance

Re: [ccp4bb] Temp Fact Variance Analysis

2012-03-01 Thread Vellieux Frederic
Hi, You could try to lower the threshold used to contour the maps for these side-chains (middle mouse button if you have a 3 button mouse with a wheel in the middle). Quite often such side chains have lowish electron density that does not appear at (say) 1.0 or 1.5 sigma (in the 2mFo-DFc

Re: [ccp4bb] Temp Fact Variance Analysis

2012-03-01 Thread Vellieux Frederic
Typo (my fingers type faster than my brain...) Original Message Subject:RE: [ccp4bb] Temp Fact Variance Analysis Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 14:56:06 + From: Oganesyan, Vaheh oganesy...@medimmune.com To: Vellieux Frederic frederic.velli...@ibs.fr References

Re: [ccp4bb] Temp Fact Variance Analysis

2012-03-01 Thread Uma Ratu
Dear All: Thank you very much for your comments. I did not notice that this issue has been dicussed lately. Thank you for your inputs regards Ros On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Kelly Daughtry kddau...@bu.edu wrote: Ros, I haven't used the Temp Fact Variance Analysis in Coot, but can

Re: [ccp4bb] Temp Fact Variance Analysis

2012-03-01 Thread Paul Emsley
On 01/03/12 14:26, Uma Ratu wrote: Hello, I run my model in Coot to do Temp Fact Variance Analysis. There are red bars from the B-factor Variance graphy. I click each red bar to exam the residues in Coot. Many of these residues do not have the electronic density on their side chains,

Re: [ccp4bb] Temp Fact Variance Analysis

2012-03-01 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Hard to know for sure - I often set occ to 0.0, then redo refinement and maps, only to find they have reappeared in the density at a low level.. In the end all our models are defective - LYS and ARg and GLU etc often have alternate conformations which we cant model at low resolution, and the