Re: [ccp4bb] anomalous data usage

2023-03-17 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Oh dear - I didn’t mean to start this discussion - just to have a private moan to Ian tickle, but there are some reasons for the regret. First of all - column names had a meaning . For example a refmac hklout has labels f sigf Phic from delfphwt etc and just occasionally one likes to see some

Re: [ccp4bb] anomalous data usage

2023-03-16 Thread Paul Bond
I believe there are many advantages to storing things *internally* as data objects with metadata instead of as columns of an MTZ file. How many students know what FP,SIGFP mean? And how many know that the FP,SIGFP columns in Refmac's HKLIN are not the same as the FP,SIGFP columns in HKLOUT? In an

Re: [ccp4bb] anomalous data usage

2023-03-16 Thread Jan Dohnalek
We are hitting the same problems also with students (so no rigidified brains I think) ... the concept of "files" seems absolutely natural (also to them) and when they ask about solving more tricky problems in i2 ... we do the obvious, go back to ccp4i. I2 is fine when things are smooth and easy.

Re: [ccp4bb] anomalous data usage

2023-03-15 Thread Randy John Read
Hi Jon, My understanding of the philosophy is that new users would prefer to think about crystallographic data objects, rather than worrying about the arcana of MTZ files and the many different flavours of columns. There are tradeoffs — it can indeed be more difficult to find the bits of

Re: [ccp4bb] anomalous data usage

2023-03-15 Thread Jon Cooper
Hello Ian, if I understand you and Eleanor correctly, this is the philosophy of the mini-MTZ, i.e. if you are doing anything independent of i2, you have to dig around a bit to find which output file contains the columns you need. Best wishes, Jon Cooper. jon.b.coo...@protonmail.com Sent from

Re: [ccp4bb] anomalous data usage

2023-03-14 Thread Boaz Shaanan
Hi Ian, The file that aimless/ccp4i produces is exactly as you describe. I noticed the weird output from aimless/ccp4i2 and hence don't use. Cheers, Boaz Boaz Shaanan, Ph.D. Dept. of Life Sciences Ben Gurion University Beer Sheva, Israel On Mar 13, 2023 21:40, Ian Tickle wrote: Hi Gottfried

Re: [ccp4bb] anomalous data usage

2023-03-13 Thread Ian Tickle
Eleanor, which program is doing that and more to the point, why? -- Ian On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 at 20:17, Eleanor Dodson wrote: > fIf you are using ccp4I2 for some forgotten reason the final output has > one reflection with I+ and I-, another with Imean, another with Fmean - > aagghh > > > On

Re: [ccp4bb] anomalous data usage

2023-03-13 Thread Eleanor Dodson
fIf you are using ccp4I2 for some forgotten reason the final output has one reflection with I+ and I-, another with Imean, another with Fmean - aagghh On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 at 19:40, Ian Tickle wrote: > > Hi Gottfried > > AIMLESS definitely outputs IMEAN (and SIGIMEAN) by default. > > Cheers > >

Re: [ccp4bb] anomalous data usage

2023-03-13 Thread Ian Tickle
Hi Gottfried AIMLESS definitely outputs IMEAN (and SIGIMEAN) by default. Cheers -- Ian On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 at 18:53, Palm, Gottfried wrote: > Dear all, > I have a few questions handling (non) anomalous data: > By default aimless seems to produce Iplus and Iminus columns. Can I force > it

[ccp4bb] anomalous data usage

2023-03-13 Thread Palm, Gottfried
Dear all,   I have a few questions handling (non) anomalous data: By default aimless seems to produce Iplus and Iminus columns. Can I force it to (also) create an Imean column? What does refmac do, when it gets Iplus and Iminus (and their sigmas) as input. Does it take only one of them or does