[ccp4bb] map sharpening

2012-09-26 Thread Andreas Förster

Dear all,

a follow-up to yesterday's question about map sharpening.  The problem 
was that the sharpened maps aren't displayed in coot, but this is not 
coot's fault, as can be seen from the output:


regular map:

making conventional map from MTZ filename unsharp.mtz using FWT PHWT
Number of OBSERVED reflections: 34725
INFO:: finding ASU unique map points with sampling rate 1.5
INFO grid sampling...Nuvw = ( 128, 128, 384)
INFO:: 0.086 seconds to read MTZ file
INFO:: 0.002 seconds to initialize map
INFO:: 0.305 seconds for FFT
INFO:: 0.013 seconds for statistics
  Map mean:  -1.4987e-06
  Map sigma: ... 0.0957995
  Map maximum: . 0.629714
  Map minimum: . -0.606727
INFO:: 0.026 seconds for contour map
INFO:: 0.432 seconds in total

sharpened map:
(as above, except:)

  Map mean:  0
  Map sigma: ... 0
  Map maximum: . 0
  Map minimum: . 0


These mtz files are generated identically, zero rounds of refinement in 
Refmac 5.7 (from ccp4 6.3.0) with sharpening disabled or enabled (B 
value = 5, 20, 60, 200).  There are no features in the sharpened maps.  Why?


When I don't specify a B value for map sharpening, it is calculated to 
61 and the resulting map displays just fine.



Andreas




On 25/09/2012 11:52, Robert Nicholls wrote:

Hi Andreas,

In your case, it sounds like a reasonable strategy would be to use external 
restraints for a few rounds of refinement (as you have done), but then release 
them and instead use jelly-body restraints. This two-stage process will help to 
initially hold your model in a sensible conformation using external restraints, 
but then gently release the structure in order to reduce further bias in later 
rounds. The immediate subsequent use of jelly-body restraints after external 
restraints will ensure that the model won't deviate too far from that sensible 
conformation, unless the data suggests otherwise.

Of course, if certain regions lose their sensible conformations in subsequent 
rounds of refinement, you can continue to use external restraints just in these 
regions.


I substantially rebuilt a surface loop that I don't want to restrain by the 
model.



In this case, I would recommend re-generating the external restraints, this 
time telling ProSMART not to generate restraints for these particular 
residues/regions. This can be done using the -restrain and -restrain_rm 
keywords, as described in the documentation (let me know off-board if you want 
help with this).

If you enable map sharpening then the single output MTZ file should be the 
sharpened map… I'm not sure why you are finding that the map is not displayed… 
do you see any difference between enabling/disabling map sharpening?

Cheers,
Rob




--
Andreas Förster, Research Associate
Paul Freemont & Xiaodong Zhang Labs
Department of Biochemistry, Imperial College London
http://www.msf.bio.ic.ac.uk


Re: [ccp4bb] Map Sharpening

2010-12-16 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 03:53 +0100, Raspudin wrote:
> I hope, am not mixing up different things together.

Perhaps you are.  Map sharpening (iiuc) is done by applying
B-factor-like correction to amplitudes and has only, according to coot
manual, an educational value.  Meaning that it's great if it helps you
to rebuild side chains, but that's all.  It has little to do with
individual B-factor refinement (which is, btw, definitely informative at
2.85A).

-- 
"I'd jump in myself, if I weren't so good at whistling."
   Julian, King of Lemurs


[ccp4bb] Map Sharpening

2010-12-15 Thread Raspudin
Dear all,

Recently, I have solved a low resolution structure (2.85 Å) by MR; an 
alpha-beta mix. In this structure, one of the alpha helices (which is missing 
in the model) has a tube of density where I can only trace the main chain. In 
COOT, upon Map sharpening adjustments I could see density for few side chains. 
In this regard, I have some doubts about B-factors and map sharpening. To my 
knowledge, refinement of atomic B-factors at lower resolution is not 
informative and sharpening in COOT can be used only to enhance the resolution 
details. Is there any approach for integrating or regularizing the B-factors 
map sharpening in refinement for such a low resolution data? 

I hope, am not mixing up different things together. Correct me, if am wrong 
anywhere and direct me to the references on this.

Thank you,

Raspudin