Re: [ccp4bb] stereo monitor for DELL T7600
Yes, it works with PyMOL and COOT using the 'quad buffered stereo' / 'hardware stereo' option, respectively. Best wishes, Christoph Hi Christoph, Thanks so much for your information. This is very helpful for us. One more question, will the *ASUS VG278H work with Pymol and coot?* Thanks so much! Jinyu On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Christoph Parthier cparth...@googlemail.com mailto:cparth...@googlemail.com wrote: We use the ASUS VG278 monitor with built-in IR emitter under linux.Stereo works perfectly without 3 pin connector. Monitor is connected via (dual-link) DVI cable (stereo option 10 in xorg.conf). This should work with any Quadro card. The monitor is big and esp. bright in 3D due to it's NVIDIA 3D LightBoost technology (3D Vision 2). Much better for use of 3D in not so dark rooms. Christoph Andrew Purkiss schrieb: And that is because the emitter is powered by the screen and its presence is detected via the HDMI monitor cable (and the signal to the emitter is sent the same way). Use of these screens is via different driver option (stereo option of 12) and there is a more limited range available. I have no experience of running with this option, as being early(ish) adopters, we have a mix of Alienware OptX AW2310 and Samsung SyncMaster 2233RZ screens. I would be interested in how stable the stereo is, when a low powered graphics card is under heavy load. Having a graphics card with more power is not a waste of money (the CUDA drivers used by the molecular simulation groups show what can be done). The extra cost is quite small compared to the costs of getting crystals in the first place!! On Fri, 2013-03-01 at 13:21 +0100, Joachim Reichelt wrote: On Linux here the ASUS Monitor with build in Emitter runs fine even on a FX 380 Quadro without 3pin connection! Am 01.03.13 13:17, schrieb Andrew Purkiss: On Fri, 2013-03-01 at 12:52 +0100, mesters wrote: Why a quadro 4000? For coot, pymol, etc., a quadro 2000 is more than sufficient. Even the quadro 600 will do fine.
Re: [ccp4bb] stereo monitor for DELL T7600
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Jl, the Zalmans are probably compatible with ANY graphics card you can buy in a shop nowadays. The technique they use was invented in the 1920s... Best, Tim On 03/01/2013 12:56 AM, jlliu liu wrote: Hi All, I am ordering a Dell workstation (Dell Precision,T7600n,MT,1300W) with 2GB nVIDIA Quadro 4000. Can anyone recommend to me which stereo monitor would be compatible with this model? I have some stereo models mentioned in previously ccp4bb email: - Zalman ZM-M215W 21.5in - Zalman ZM-M240W 24in - Samsung http://proteincrystallography.org/ccp4bb/message29933.htmlSyncMaster S27A750D 27in - LG D2342P 23in / LG D2542P 25in Any advice will be highly appreciated. Thanks so much in advance! Jl - -- - -- Dr Tim Gruene Institut fuer anorganische Chemie Tammannstr. 4 D-37077 Goettingen GPG Key ID = A46BEE1A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFRMHhdUxlJ7aRr7hoRAjcLAKDNtG6SDyRpa+q34YDNV/KMFx90bQCdH/Ao NMweR6el+xh57NaLl/8UtUc= =NfXa -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [ccp4bb] stereo monitor for DELL T7600
Hi Il, assuming that you work under Linux, be sure to get a Quadro 4000 with a 3-pin stereo connector (this is 'optional' according to Nvidia). The System will then work with the '3D vision System'. All compatible monitors like AcervGD235HZ or ASUS VG236H are listed on the 3D Vision site: http://www.nvidia.de/object/buy-3d-monitors-de.html You will aslo have to get a set of 3d Vision goggles and emitters. BTW, I would strongly suggest to stay away from the 3d Vision *PRO* goggles as we tested six of them and they all failed after less than 3 months of use! Apart from that the stereo quality is excellent compared to all previous stereo systems. Best, Clemens Zitat von jlliu liu jlliu20022...@gmail.com: Hi All, I am ordering a Dell workstation (Dell Precision,T7600n,MT,1300W) with 2GB nVIDIA Quadro 4000. Can anyone recommend to me which stereo monitor would be compatible with this model? I have some stereo models mentioned in previously ccp4bb email: - Zalman ZM-M215W 21.5in - Zalman ZM-M240W 24in - Samsung http://proteincrystallography.org/ccp4bb/message29933.htmlSyncMaster S27A750D 27in - LG D2342P 23in / LG D2542P 25in Any advice will be highly appreciated. Thanks so much in advance! Jl -- Dr. Clemens Grimm Institut für Biochemie Biozentrum der Universität Würzburg Am Hubland D-97074 Würzburg Germany e-mail: clemens.gr...@biozentrum.uni-wuerzburg.de phone : +49 0931 31 84031 -
Re: [ccp4bb] stereo monitor for DELL T7600
On Fri, 2013-03-01 at 12:52 +0100, mesters wrote: Why a quadro 4000? For coot, pymol, etc., a quadro 2000 is more than sufficient. Even the quadro 600 will do fine. Except for a linux installation, as the 3 pin bracket is only available on the Quadro 4000 (and higher) I noticed that the Nvidia linux driver has options for USB port etc. which suggests that in the near future USB ports can be used under linux for an external USB IR emitter. Can somebody comment on this please? The driver only seems to use the USB connection for power and for identifying that the emitter is connected. I don't think that there are any plans to use USB to drive the stereo synchronisation (the mention of USB has been in the release notes for many years now). -- Andrew Purkiss X-ray Laboratory London Research Institute Cancer Research UK
Re: [ccp4bb] stereo monitor for DELL T7600
On Linux here the ASUS Monitor with build in Emitter runs fine even on a FX 380 Quadro without 3pin connection! Am 01.03.13 13:17, schrieb Andrew Purkiss: On Fri, 2013-03-01 at 12:52 +0100, mesters wrote: Why a quadro 4000? For coot, pymol, etc., a quadro 2000 is more than sufficient. Even the quadro 600 will do fine. Except for a linux installation, as the 3 pin bracket is only available on the Quadro 4000 (and higher) I noticed that the Nvidia linux driver has options for USB port etc. which suggests that in the near future USB ports can be used under linux for an external USB IR emitter. Can somebody comment on this please? The driver only seems to use the USB connection for power and for identifying that the emitter is connected. I don't think that there are any plans to use USB to drive the stereo synchronisation (the mention of USB has been in the release notes for many years now). -- Joachim Reichelt Helmholtz-Zentrum für Infektionsforschung GmbH | Inhoffenstraße 7 | 38124 Braunschweig | www.helmholtz-hzi.de Das HZI ist seit 2007 zertifiziertes Mitglied im audit berufundfamilie Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrates: MinDir’in Bärbel Brumme-Bothe, Bundesministerium für Bildung und Forschung Stellvertreter: Rüdiger Eichel, Abteilungsleiter Niedersächsisches Ministerium für Wissenschaft und Kultur Geschäftsführung: Prof. Dr. Dirk Heinz; Ulf Richter, MBA Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung (GmbH) Sitz der Gesellschaft: Braunschweig Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Braunschweig, HRB 477
Re: [ccp4bb] stereo monitor for DELL T7600
Hi JI, Just FYI: we have a working setup of Nvidia 3D Vision on Quadro FX 3700 with Acer GD235HZ under Ubuntu 12. Quadro FX 3450/4000 was also tested (not officially supported by NVidia, but has all the capabilities) - although it works in principle, there was an annoying flickering effect I could not get rid of. In addition to what was already told here, I would recommend checking the monitor for backlight irregularities on 100% brightness before buying. This is the mode you are typically working in with the glasses (in fact, GD235HZ locks it at 100% when stereo is enabled), and the defects might not be noticeable on normal brightness. Kind regards, Dmytro. From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of jlliu liu Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 12:56 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] stereo monitor for DELL T7600 Hi All, I am ordering a Dell workstation (Dell Precision,T7600n,MT,1300W) with 2GB nVIDIA Quadro 4000. Can anyone recommend to me which stereo monitor would be compatible with this model? I have some stereo models mentioned in previously ccp4bb email: - Zalman ZM-M215W 21.5in - Zalman ZM-M240W 24in - Samsunghttp://proteincrystallography.org/ccp4bb/message29933.html SyncMaster S27A750D 27in - LG D2342P 23in / LG D2542P 25in Any advice will be highly appreciated. Thanks so much in advance! Jl
Re: [ccp4bb] stereo monitor for DELL T7600
And that is because the emitter is powered by the screen and its presence is detected via the HDMI monitor cable (and the signal to the emitter is sent the same way). Use of these screens is via different driver option (stereo option of 12) and there is a more limited range available. I have no experience of running with this option, as being early(ish) adopters, we have a mix of Alienware OptX AW2310 and Samsung SyncMaster 2233RZ screens. I would be interested in how stable the stereo is, when a low powered graphics card is under heavy load. Having a graphics card with more power is not a waste of money (the CUDA drivers used by the molecular simulation groups show what can be done). The extra cost is quite small compared to the costs of getting crystals in the first place!! On Fri, 2013-03-01 at 13:21 +0100, Joachim Reichelt wrote: On Linux here the ASUS Monitor with build in Emitter runs fine even on a FX 380 Quadro without 3pin connection! Am 01.03.13 13:17, schrieb Andrew Purkiss: On Fri, 2013-03-01 at 12:52 +0100, mesters wrote: Why a quadro 4000? For coot, pymol, etc., a quadro 2000 is more than sufficient. Even the quadro 600 will do fine. Except for a linux installation, as the 3 pin bracket is only available on the Quadro 4000 (and higher) I noticed that the Nvidia linux driver has options for USB port etc. which suggests that in the near future USB ports can be used under linux for an external USB IR emitter. Can somebody comment on this please? The driver only seems to use the USB connection for power and for identifying that the emitter is connected. I don't think that there are any plans to use USB to drive the stereo synchronisation (the mention of USB has been in the release notes for many years now). -- Joachim Reichelt Helmholtz-Zentrum für Infektionsforschung GmbH | Inhoffenstraße 7 | 38124 Braunschweig | www.helmholtz-hzi.de Das HZI ist seit 2007 zertifiziertes Mitglied im audit berufundfamilie Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrates: MinDir’in Bärbel Brumme-Bothe, Bundesministerium für Bildung und Forschung Stellvertreter: Rüdiger Eichel, Abteilungsleiter Niedersächsisches Ministerium für Wissenschaft und Kultur Geschäftsführung: Prof. Dr. Dirk Heinz; Ulf Richter, MBA Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung (GmbH) Sitz der Gesellschaft: Braunschweig Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Braunschweig, HRB 477 -- Andrew Purkiss X-ray Laboratory London Research Institute Cancer Research UK
Re: [ccp4bb] stereo monitor for DELL T7600
Dear Tim, Does the program of O support only the quad-buffered stereo mode, not the Zalman mode? Qixu Cai Email: caiq...@gmail.com School of Life Sciences, Xiamen University, Fujian, China 2013/3/1 Tim Gruene t...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Jl, the Zalmans are probably compatible with ANY graphics card you can buy in a shop nowadays. The technique they use was invented in the 1920s... Best, Tim On 03/01/2013 12:56 AM, jlliu liu wrote: Hi All, I am ordering a Dell workstation (Dell Precision,T7600n,MT,1300W) with 2GB nVIDIA Quadro 4000. Can anyone recommend to me which stereo monitor would be compatible with this model? I have some stereo models mentioned in previously ccp4bb email: - Zalman ZM-M215W 21.5in - Zalman ZM-M240W 24in - Samsung http://proteincrystallography.org/ccp4bb/message29933.htmlSyncMaster S27A750D 27in - LG D2342P 23in / LG D2542P 25in Any advice will be highly appreciated. Thanks so much in advance! Jl - -- - -- Dr Tim Gruene Institut fuer anorganische Chemie Tammannstr. 4 D-37077 Goettingen GPG Key ID = A46BEE1A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFRMHhdUxlJ7aRr7hoRAjcLAKDNtG6SDyRpa+q34YDNV/KMFx90bQCdH/Ao NMweR6el+xh57NaLl/8UtUc= =NfXa -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [ccp4bb] stereo monitor for DELL T7600
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Qixu Cai, I don't know - Alwyn Jones would, of course. Regards, Tim On 03/01/2013 02:54 PM, Qixu Cai wrote: Dear Tim, Does the program of O support only the quad-buffered stereo mode, not the Zalman mode? Qixu Cai Email: caiq...@gmail.com School of Life Sciences, Xiamen University, Fujian, China 2013/3/1 Tim Gruene t...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de Dear Jl, the Zalmans are probably compatible with ANY graphics card you can buy in a shop nowadays. The technique they use was invented in the 1920s... Best, Tim On 03/01/2013 12:56 AM, jlliu liu wrote: Hi All, I am ordering a Dell workstation (Dell Precision,T7600n,MT,1300W) with 2GB nVIDIA Quadro 4000. Can anyone recommend to me which stereo monitor would be compatible with this model? I have some stereo models mentioned in previously ccp4bb email: - Zalman ZM-M215W 21.5in - Zalman ZM-M240W 24in - Samsung http://proteincrystallography.org/ccp4bb/message29933.htmlSyncMaster S27A750D 27in - LG D2342P 23in / LG D2542P 25in Any advice will be highly appreciated. Thanks so much in advance! Jl - -- - -- Dr Tim Gruene Institut fuer anorganische Chemie Tammannstr. 4 D-37077 Goettingen GPG Key ID = A46BEE1A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFRMLc4UxlJ7aRr7hoRAmhIAKCezQ48yIGrJLAv1ub4eFDOightigCgvHRj V6YryjJxNq+ElL7yYzi3Prw= =IfMc -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [ccp4bb] stereo monitor for DELL T7600
We use the ASUS VG278 monitor with built-in IR emitter under linux.Stereo works perfectly without 3 pin connector. Monitor is connected via (dual-link) DVI cable (stereo option 10 in xorg.conf). This should work with any Quadro card. The monitor is big and esp. bright in 3D due to it's NVIDIA 3D LightBoost technology (3D Vision 2). Much better for use of 3D in not so dark rooms. Christoph Andrew Purkiss schrieb: And that is because the emitter is powered by the screen and its presence is detected via the HDMI monitor cable (and the signal to the emitter is sent the same way). Use of these screens is via different driver option (stereo option of 12) and there is a more limited range available. I have no experience of running with this option, as being early(ish) adopters, we have a mix of Alienware OptX AW2310 and Samsung SyncMaster 2233RZ screens. I would be interested in how stable the stereo is, when a low powered graphics card is under heavy load. Having a graphics card with more power is not a waste of money (the CUDA drivers used by the molecular simulation groups show what can be done). The extra cost is quite small compared to the costs of getting crystals in the first place!! On Fri, 2013-03-01 at 13:21 +0100, Joachim Reichelt wrote: On Linux here the ASUS Monitor with build in Emitter runs fine even on a FX 380 Quadro without 3pin connection! Am 01.03.13 13:17, schrieb Andrew Purkiss: On Fri, 2013-03-01 at 12:52 +0100, mesters wrote: Why a quadro 4000? For coot, pymol, etc., a quadro 2000 is more than sufficient. Even the quadro 600 will do fine. Except for a linux installation, as the 3 pin bracket is only available on the Quadro 4000 (and higher) I noticed that the Nvidia linux driver has options for USB port etc. which suggests that in the near future USB ports can be used under linux for an external USB IR emitter. Can somebody comment on this please? The driver only seems to use the USB connection for power and for identifying that the emitter is connected. I don't think that there are any plans to use USB to drive the stereo synchronisation (the mention of USB has been in the release notes for many years now). -- Joachim Reichelt Helmholtz-Zentrum für Infektionsforschung GmbH | Inhoffenstraße 7 | 38124 Braunschweig | www.helmholtz-hzi.de Das HZI ist seit 2007 zertifiziertes Mitglied im audit berufundfamilie Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrates: MinDir’in Bärbel Brumme-Bothe, Bundesministerium für Bildung und Forschung Stellvertreter: Rüdiger Eichel, Abteilungsleiter Niedersächsisches Ministerium für Wissenschaft und Kultur Geschäftsführung: Prof. Dr. Dirk Heinz; Ulf Richter, MBA Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung (GmbH) Sitz der Gesellschaft: Braunschweig Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Braunschweig, HRB 477
Re: [ccp4bb] stereo monitor for DELL T7600
On 03/01/2013 06:52 AM, mesters wrote: Just make sure the graphics card has not only miniDisplay connectors... The 3D monitors mostly have HDMI and DVI-D. Do not confuse the DVI-D with single/simple DVI as the bandwidth will be too low for stereo. 1) Monitors with 120 Hz stereo support and Displayport connections are finally becoming available. 2) I find your use of the terminology confusing. DVI-D means digital only, as opposed to DVI-I, (integrated) which has both digital and analog. DVI-dual link has more digital conductors for a wider signal path. This will be need for 129 Hz stereo applications at HD resolution. The cable needs to be dual link as well. -- === All Things Serve the Beam === David J. Schuller modern man in a post-modern world MacCHESS, Cornell University schul...@cornell.edu
[ccp4bb] stereo monitor for DELL T7600
Hi All, I am ordering a Dell workstation (Dell Precision,T7600n,MT,1300W) with 2GB nVIDIA Quadro 4000. Can anyone recommend to me which stereo monitor would be compatible with this model? I have some stereo models mentioned in previously ccp4bb email: - Zalman ZM-M215W 21.5in - Zalman ZM-M240W 24in - Samsung http://proteincrystallography.org/ccp4bb/message29933.htmlSyncMaster S27A750D 27in - LG D2342P 23in / LG D2542P 25in Any advice will be highly appreciated. Thanks so much in advance! Jl
Re: [ccp4bb] stereo monitor for DELL T7600
What about the ASUS VG278HR Activ stereo with build in emitter, 27 in. Am 01.03.13 00:56, schrieb jlliu liu: Hi All, I am ordering a Dell workstation (Dell Precision,T7600n,MT,1300W) with 2GB nVIDIA Quadro 4000. Can anyone recommend to me which stereo monitor would be compatible with this model? I have some stereo models mentioned in previously ccp4bb email: - Zalman ZM-M215W 21.5in - Zalman ZM-M240W 24in - Samsunghttp://proteincrystallography.org/ccp4bb/message29933.html SyncMaster S27A750D 27in - LG D2342P 23in / LG D2542P 25in Any advice will be highly appreciated. Thanks so much in advance! Jl -- Joachim Reichelt Helmholtz-Zentrum für Infektionsforschung GmbH | Inhoffenstraße 7 | 38124 Braunschweig | www.helmholtz-hzi.de Das HZI ist seit 2007 zertifiziertes Mitglied im audit berufundfamilie Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrates: MinDir’in Bärbel Brumme-Bothe, Bundesministerium für Bildung und Forschung Stellvertreter: Rüdiger Eichel, Abteilungsleiter Niedersächsisches Ministerium für Wissenschaft und Kultur Geschäftsführung: Prof. Dr. Dirk Heinz; Ulf Richter, MBA Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung (GmbH) Sitz der Gesellschaft: Braunschweig Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Braunschweig, HRB 477
