Re: [ccp4bb] pointless error-summary

2011-11-21 Thread Phil Evans
Do note that all the Pointless 1.5.x versions had a serious bug and should not be used Phil On 19 Nov 2011, at 09:49, Rajesh kumar wrote: Thanks to Harry Powell, Phil Evans, De-Feng Li for suggestions and special thanks to Charles Ballard looking in to my data. The summary is Harry

Re: [ccp4bb] LESS MR pleae.. 1.95A, different phase

2011-11-21 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Just a plea for less molecular replacement. If you get a new crystal of a known protein with the same cell dimension as youur old crystal, the most likely scenario is that it has the same group, and you really should not try MR - use the previous solution as input to do rigid body

Re: [ccp4bb] LESS MR pleae.. 1.95A, different phase

2011-11-21 Thread Ian Tickle
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Eleanor Dodson c...@ysbl.york.ac.uk wrote: Just a plea for less molecular replacement. If you get a new crystal of a known protein with the  same cell dimension as youur old crystal, the most likely scenario is that it has the same group, and you really

Re: [ccp4bb] Strange spots

2011-11-21 Thread David Goldstone
Dear All, I posted some odd diffraction late last year consisting of Bragg diffraction spots with a diffuse ring or halo. Along with Richard Welberry at ANU we have now published an explanation for this diffuse scattering. For those that are interested the reference is:- Acta Cryst. (2011).

Re: [ccp4bb] LESS MR pleae.. 1.95A, different phase

2011-11-21 Thread Boaz Shaanan
Or use Kevin's csymmatch which does wonders on scrambled oligomers that (nearly always, at least in my hands) come out of Phaser in cases like those mentioned by Ian and which do need MR. Boaz Boaz Shaanan, Ph.D. Dept. of Life Sciences Ben-Gurion University of the Negev Beer-Sheva

Re: [ccp4bb] how to change DNA bases in pdb to match the target DNA sequence

2011-11-21 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Wei, you could use coot Calculate-Model/Fit/Refine-Simple Mutate also for nucleic acids. It may be worth running geometry idealisation in coot or refmac5 before using the model in MR. Tim On 11/19/2011 09:44 PM, Wei Shi wrote: Hi all, I want

Re: [ccp4bb] help with the structures

2011-11-21 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I think you are proving yet again that refinement at 3.3A is not easy. Indeed there are probably multiple conformations for parts of the structure and that may well be why your data is at low resolution and anisotropic. Maybe this is the best you can do.. I think I would make sure the apo

Re: [ccp4bb] adxv

2011-11-21 Thread Rajesh kumar
Dear Mark, $ locate XKeysymDB - didnt come with any thing suggests probably openmotif lib is not installed. I linux server has Fedora and I am using latest version of Adxv so details on the sbgrid suggest its same problem. So how would I fix this. Thanks for your time. Regards Rajesh

Re: [ccp4bb] improve protein-DNA complex crystal

2011-11-21 Thread zq deng
my DNA contains a 9-1-9 palindromic sequence,i tried different blunt end DNA,and got two kind of crystal with different lenght DNA.both don't diffract. 2011/11/21 Michael Murphy pn1...@gmail.com Deng, could you tell us a bit more about the DNA that you used? I think you may want to try to

[ccp4bb] Protein-DNA complex crystallization

2011-11-21 Thread umar farook
Dear All, I have been trying to crystallize protein DNA complex, but all the time i end up with DNA crystals. Even i changed the length of DNA many times but still no complex, DNA only crystallizes! Does anybody has idea, why do DNA crystallize by itself ? My protein behaves very nicely, Dynamic

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystallization plates - 24 well

2011-11-21 Thread Irene Margiolaki
Greiner Bio One is an alternative with distributors in various different countries worldwide http://www.greinerbioone.com/en/france/articles/catalogue/article-groups/11_5/ On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:40:56 -0500, Poorva Dharkar wrote: Hi, I need to buy 24-well crystallization plates. I want to

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein-DNA complex crystallization

2011-11-21 Thread Francis E Reyes
Curious, how did you assess that your crystals only have DNA? F On Nov 21, 2011, at 8:59 AM, umar farook wrote: Dear All, I have been trying to crystallize protein DNA complex, but all the time i end up with DNA crystals. Even i changed the length of DNA many times but still no complex,

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein-DNA complex crystallization

2011-11-21 Thread sxn214
Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone - Reply message - From: umar farook umarfaroo...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 10:59 am Subject: [ccp4bb] Protein-DNA complex crystallization To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Dear All, I have been trying to crystallize protein DNA complex, but all the

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein-DNA complex crystallization

2011-11-21 Thread Phoebe Rice
What is Kd? Also, in reply to earlier posts: it is sadly common in crystallizing large protein-DNA complexes to go through a couple dozen different duplexes and several dismally-diffracting crystal forms before finding a good one. Phoebe From: CCP4 bulletin board CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK (on

Re: [ccp4bb] 1.95A, different phases, maps look the same, R/Rfree 22/24, wrong space group? - RESOLVED

2011-11-21 Thread Napoleão Valadares
The problem was resolved with your help, and in fact there was no problem, except that I was unaware of the alternative origins. I promise I'm reading more about it. :$ A side note: I collected another crystal, different crystallization condition but same cell parameters, and followed Eleanor

[ccp4bb] Movements of domains

2011-11-21 Thread Filip Van Petegem
Dear crystallographers, I have a general question concerning the comparison of different structures. Suppose you have a crystal structure containing a few domains. You also have another structure of the same, but in a different condition (with a bound ligand, a mutation, or simply a different

Re: [ccp4bb] Movements of domains

2011-11-21 Thread Steiner, Roberto
I believe ESCET was designed to answer your kind of question Best Roberto On 21 Nov 2011, at 22:03, Filip Van Petegem filip.vanpete...@gmail.commailto:filip.vanpete...@gmail.com wrote: Dear crystallographers, I have a general question concerning the comparison of different structures.

Re: [ccp4bb] Movements of domains

2011-11-21 Thread Jacob Keller
Just to clarify: I think the question is about the mathematical sense of significance, and not the functional or physiological significance, right? If I understand the question correctly, wouldn't the reasoning be that admittedly each atom in the model has a certain positional error, but all

Re: [ccp4bb] LESS MR pleae.. 1.95A, different phase

2011-11-21 Thread Michael Thompson
- Forwarded Message - From: Michael Thompson mi...@chem.ucla.edu To: e dodson e.dod...@ysbl.york.ac.uk Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 11:30:17 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] LESS MR pleae.. 1.95A, different phase A question regarding the plea for less MR (which I

Re: [ccp4bb] Movements of domains

2011-11-21 Thread Filip Van Petegem
Hello Jacob, that's correct, I'm only looking at the mathematical significance, not the biological one. I follow the same reasoning - it is highly improbably for all atoms to be skewed in the same direction. In a case I'm currently looking at, I'm particularly dealing with cryo-EM data, not

Re: [ccp4bb] Movements of domains

2011-11-21 Thread James Stroud
On Nov 21, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Filip Van Petegem wrote: So the question is: how you can state that a particular movement was 'significantly large' compared to the resolution limit? I can think of a different but related question. How significant is a particular movement compared to a measured

Re: [ccp4bb] LESS MR pleae.. 1.95A, different phase

2011-11-21 Thread Parthasarathy Sampathkumar
Hi Mike, Often, I generate independent freeR set (especially in cases where soak dataset is of different resolution (usually worse) compared to the native dataset and do following two things to get rid-off the bias: 1. add a noise to the coordinates (this can be done using PDBSET). 2. set the

Re: [ccp4bb] LESS MR pleae.. 1.95A, different phase

2011-11-21 Thread Dale Tronrud
I'll jump in here, and avoid the question entirely. Since running MR on an isomorphous crystal gives the same answer as just stuffing in the model and running some rigid body refinement, however you decide to handle your R free flags, you should do the same thing in both cases. The model

Re: [ccp4bb] Movements of domains

2011-11-21 Thread Dale Tronrud
This is a subtle problem and performing an analysis of this type of error is confusing. Most of the tools we use to analyze errors begin with the assumption that the errors are random and uncorrelated. These include Luzzati and Fo-Fc maps. My solution is to perform a null hypothesis test.

[ccp4bb] sugar and coot

2011-11-21 Thread Jan van Agthoven
Hi everyone! Does anyone know if there is a way of auto-refining a sugar in Coot? Jan

Re: [ccp4bb] Movements of domains

2011-11-21 Thread James Stroud
On Nov 21, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Filip Van Petegem wrote: As mentioned for X-ray structures, a Luzzati analysis may give information about the positional errors, but there should be an increased resolution when comparing domain movements, because it's unlikely for all atoms to have an error

[ccp4bb] Coot, RH6.1 x86 linux

2011-11-21 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
I just installed CCP4-6.2.0 and COOT on a Red Hat v6.1, x86, linux workstation. Some of the menus, along the right edge, are gray buttons on gray background. Where is the preferences file to change the colors of the menu buttons? The menus across the top of the window are fine. Also, idiffdisp is

Re: [ccp4bb] Movements of domains

2011-11-21 Thread James Stroud
On Nov 21, 2011, at 5:23 PM, James Stroud wrote: except that you use Euclid's formula to calculate the distances in higher dimensions I meant to say Euclidian distance. Euclid's formula has a specific meaning that is different.

Re: [ccp4bb] sugar and coot

2011-11-21 Thread Dirk
Hi, I'm not sure if that is what you are looking for, but if you want to use the real space refine zone function in coot with sugars that is possible. For a monosaccharide you will need a cif dictionary with the restraint definitions - in some cases present in the refmac monomer database, but

Re: [ccp4bb] Movements of domains

2011-11-21 Thread Jacob Keller
I am curious how all of this can be more than splitting hairs, i.e., under what conditions can this 1Ang domain motion mean something biologically significant? Proteins are pretty flexible, after all, especially between domains. JPK On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 6:41 PM, James Stroud

Re: [ccp4bb] Movements of domains

2011-11-21 Thread James Stroud
On Nov 21, 2011, at 6:34 PM, Jacob Keller wrote: I am curious how all of this can be more than splitting hairs, i.e., under what conditions can this 1Ang domain motion mean something biologically significant? To engage in the discussion, I think we had to accept this: On Nov 21, 2011, at

Re: [ccp4bb] Movements of domains

2011-11-21 Thread Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.)
If the difference in likelihood is quite small then you cannot distinguish between a RB shifted model and one w/o the shift and that shift must be insignificant (in a statistical sense.) If the likelihood is better when the shift is allowed then the shift is significant. That of course is

Re: [ccp4bb] Movements of domains

2011-11-21 Thread Vellieux Frederic
A mixture between mathematical significance and biological significance as a part of the reply: you should also take into account the thermal vibrations of the atoms present in that domain, i.e. the thermal ellipsoids when you have one of the representations of anisotropic temperature factors