Re: [ccp4bb] To Trim or Not to To Trim

2023-03-18 Thread Oganesyan, Vaheh
Hi Ben, All copies created by multiplying cell dimensions will act exactly same as the original one, mathematically exactly. Nick’s approach is better. Something similar to what Nick said was published around 2002-2003. I was reviewing it. I did not understand then what the author was trying

Re: [ccp4bb] To Trim or Not to To Trim

2023-03-18 Thread benjamin bax
Hi, Probably a stupid question. Could you multiply a, b and c cell dimensions by 2 or 3 (to give 8 or 27 structures) and restrain well defined parts of structure to be ‘identical’ ? To give you a more NMR like chemically sensible ensemble of structures? Ben > On 18 Mar 2023, at 12:04, Helen

Re: [ccp4bb] To Trim or Not to To Trim

2023-03-18 Thread Nicholas Pearce
Not stupid, but essentially the same as modelling alt confs, though would probably give more overfitting. Alt confs can easily be converted to an ensemble (if done properly…). Thanks, Nick ——— Nicholas Pearce Assistant Professor in Bioinformatics & DDLS Fellow Linköping University Sweden

Re: [ccp4bb] To Trim or Not to To Trim

2023-03-18 Thread Dale Tronrud
I'm going to dive back in here again to expand this discussion. Whether this diversion clarifies or obscures issues surrounding the "crystallographers' dilemma" I'll leave for others to decide. There is currently considerable discussion, among people who care about cell phone cameras,

Re: [ccp4bb] To Trim or Not to To Trim

2023-03-18 Thread Helen Ginn
Models for crystallography have two purposes: refinement and interpretation. Here these two purposes are in conflict. Neither case is handled well by either trim or not trim scenario, but trimming results in a deficit for refinement and not-trimming results in a deficit for interpretation.