[ccp4bb] How to use SHELXE to perform phasing and density modification

2013-03-15 Thread Wei Feng
Dear all,
I have an original  sca file with anomalous signal  and a heavy atoms sites 
file in PDB format.


PDB FILE :
CRYST1   77.780   77.780  187.640  90.00  90.00 120.00 P 61 2 2
SCALE1  0.012857  0.007423 -0.00   -0.0
SCALE2 -0.00  0.014846 -0.000.0
SCALE3  0.00 -0.00  0.005329   -0.0
ATOM  1  S   HAT 1 -62.495 123.694  12.804  0.36 20.00   S
ATOM  9  S   HAT 9 -49.984  90.531   2.130  0.32 20.00   S
ATOM 10  S   HAT10 -59.282 106.437   9.760  0.74 20.00   S
ATOM 84  S   HAT84 -60.153 114.024  15.399  0.52 20.00   S
... ...


Can I use  SHELXE to perform phasing and density modification?  How to do it?
Thank you for your help!
Wei



Re: [ccp4bb] How to use SHELXE to perform phasing and density modification

2013-03-15 Thread George Sheldrick

Dear Wei,

There is a new SHELX homepage with extensive documentation and downloading
instructions at: http://shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de/SHELX/

SHELXE requires reflection files name.hkl (native) and name_fa.hkl (data 
for phasing) and
and the heavy atoms in SHELX format in name_fa.res. I recommend running 
SHELXC to prepare
the files and SHELXD to find the heavy atoms, then everything will be in 
the right format. You can

either run the programs from the command line or use a GUI such as hkl2map.

If (as it seems) your heavy atoms come from an isomorphous structure, 
then you can run SHELXC
to read XDS_ASCII.HKL or .sca files to make the .hkl, files followed by 
AnoDe (also part of SHELX) to
read name_fa.hkl and name.ent (your original full PDB file, no just the 
heavy atoms) to make
name_fa.res containing the heavy atom sites from the anomalous map. Then 
you have the files

you need to run SHELXE, e.g.

shelxe name name_fa -a5 -s0.5 -q

but see the documentation for more information about the command line 
switches, e.g. -n for NCS.
The advantage of this is that your final structure will be relative to 
the same origin as your original

PDB file.

Best wishes, George


On 03/15/2013 10:13 AM, Wei Feng wrote:

Dear all,
I have an original sca file with anomalous signal and a heavy atoms 
sites file in PDB format.


PDB FILE :
CRYST1 77.780 77.780 187.640 90.00 90.00 120.00 P 61 2 2
SCALE1 0.012857 0.007423 -0.00 -0.0
SCALE2 -0.00 0.014846 -0.00 0.0
SCALE3 0.00 -0.00 0.005329 -0.0
ATOM 1 S HAT 1 -62.495 123.694 12.804 0.36 20.00 S
ATOM 9 S HAT 9 -49.984 90.531 2.130 0.32 20.00 S
ATOM 10 S HAT 10 -59.282 106.437 9.760 0.74 20.00 S
ATOM 84 S HAT 84 -60.153 114.024 15.399 0.52 20.00 S
... ...

Can I use SHELXE to perform phasing and density modification? How to 
do it?

Thank you for your help!
Wei






--
Prof. George M. Sheldrick FRS
Dept. Structural Chemistry,
University of Goettingen,
Tammannstr. 4,
D37077 Goettingen, Germany
Tel. +49-551-39-3021 or -3068
Fax. +49-551-39-22582




Re: [ccp4bb] How to use SHELXE to perform phasing and density modification

2013-03-15 Thread Tim Gruene
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Dear Wei,

if you are not too familiar with shelx c/d/e, I suggest the following
procedure, provided shelx c/d/e are installed:
- - get hkl2map from http://webapps.embl-hamburg.de/hkl2map/
- - run hkl2map from a terminal and from the directory where your .sca
file is
- - provide a project name (I call it 'foo' for now) and run the first
two steps, i.e. shelxc and shelxd
- - close hkl2map

now inside the directory there will be several files, the important
ones being foo.hkl, foo_fa.hkl, and foo_fa.res

- - use the program coordconv from CCP4 in order to get the fractional
coordinates of your substructure and copy the coordinates into the
foo_fa.res
- - type 'shelxe foo foo_fa -a -h -q' and 'shelxe foo foo_fa -a -h -q
- -i' and check if one of the resulting PDB files foo.pdb and foo_i.pdb
(together with the corresponding map files foo.phs and foo_i.phs) make
sense.

Cheers,
Tim

On 03/15/2013 10:13 AM, Wei Feng wrote:
 Dear all, I have an original  sca file with anomalous signal  and a
 heavy atoms sites file in PDB format.
 
 
 PDB FILE : CRYST1   77.780   77.780  187.640  90.00  90.00 120.00 P
 61 2 2 SCALE1  0.012857  0.007423 -0.00   -0.0 
 SCALE2 -0.00  0.014846 -0.000.0 SCALE3
 0.00 -0.00  0.005329   -0.0 ATOM  1  S   HAT
 1 -62.495 123.694  12.804  0.36 20.00   S ATOM  9
 S   HAT 9 -49.984  90.531   2.130  0.32 20.00   S 
 ATOM 10  S   HAT10 -59.282 106.437   9.760  0.74 20.00
 S ATOM 84  S   HAT84 -60.153 114.024  15.399  0.52
 20.00   S ... ...
 
 
 Can I use  SHELXE to perform phasing and density modification?  How
 to do it? Thank you for your help! Wei
 
 

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- --
Dr Tim Gruene
Institut fuer anorganische Chemie
Tammannstr. 4
D-37077 Goettingen

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Re: [ccp4bb] How to use SHELXE to perform phasing and density modification (correction)

2013-03-15 Thread George Sheldrick
Sorry, a better command line for running SHELXE in this case would have 
been:


shelxe name name_fa -a5 -s0.5 -q -h -z

this ensures that the heavy atoms are refined before calculating the 
initial phases, this often gives
much better maps. If you are not sure whether the space group is P6122 
or P6522, then you should
run shelxe twice, once with and once without -i (which would invert the 
space group and atom

coordinates). It is usually worth trying different solvent contents (-s).

George

On 03/15/2013 11:09 AM, George Sheldrick wrote:

Dear Wei,

There is a new SHELX homepage with extensive documentation and downloading
instructions at: http://shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de/SHELX/

SHELXE requires reflection files name.hkl (native) and name_fa.hkl 
(data for phasing) and
and the heavy atoms in SHELX format in name_fa.res. I recommend 
running SHELXC to prepare
the files and SHELXD to find the heavy atoms, then everything will be 
in the right format. You can
either run the programs from the command line or use a GUI such as 
hkl2map.


If (as it seems) your heavy atoms come from an isomorphous structure, 
then you can run SHELXC
to read XDS_ASCII.HKL or .sca files to make the .hkl, files followed 
by AnoDe (also part of SHELX) to
read name_fa.hkl and name.ent (your original full PDB file, no just 
the heavy atoms) to make
name_fa.res containing the heavy atom sites from the anomalous map. 
Then you have the files

you need to run SHELXE, e.g.

shelxe name name_fa -a5 -s0.5 -q

but see the documentation for more information about the command line 
switches, e.g. -n for NCS.
The advantage of this is that your final structure will be relative to 
the same origin as your original

PDB file.

Best wishes, George


On 03/15/2013 10:13 AM, Wei Feng wrote:

Dear all,
I have an original sca file with anomalous signal and a heavy atoms 
sites file in PDB format.


PDB FILE :
CRYST1 77.780 77.780 187.640 90.00 90.00 120.00 P 61 2 2
SCALE1 0.012857 0.007423 -0.00 -0.0
SCALE2 -0.00 0.014846 -0.00 0.0
SCALE3 0.00 -0.00 0.005329 -0.0
ATOM 1 S HAT 1 -62.495 123.694 12.804 0.36 20.00 S
ATOM 9 S HAT 9 -49.984 90.531 2.130 0.32 20.00 S
ATOM 10 S HAT 10 -59.282 106.437 9.760 0.74 20.00 S
ATOM 84 S HAT 84 -60.153 114.024 15.399 0.52 20.00 S
... ...

Can I use SHELXE to perform phasing and density modification? How to 
do it?

Thank you for your help!
Wei






--
Prof. George M. Sheldrick FRS
Dept. Structural Chemistry,
University of Goettingen,
Tammannstr. 4,
D37077 Goettingen, Germany
Tel. +49-551-39-3021 or -3068
Fax. +49-551-39-22582




--
Prof. George M. Sheldrick FRS
Dept. Structural Chemistry,
University of Goettingen,
Tammannstr. 4,
D37077 Goettingen, Germany
Tel. +49-551-39-3021 or -3068
Fax. +49-551-39-22582




Re: [ccp4bb] How to use SHELXE to perform phasing and density modification

2013-03-15 Thread Wei Feng
Dear George,
Thank you very much for your help!
Wei






At 2013-03-15 18:09:09,George Sheldrick gshe...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de wrote:
Dear Wei,

There is a new SHELX homepage with extensive documentation and downloading
instructions at: http://shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de/SHELX/

SHELXE requires reflection files name.hkl (native) and name_fa.hkl (data for 
phasing) and
and the heavy atoms in SHELX format in name_fa.res. I recommend running SHELXC 
to prepare
the files and SHELXD to find the heavy atoms, then everything will be in the 
right format. You can
either run the programs from the command line or use a GUI such as hkl2map.

If (as it seems) your heavy atoms come from an isomorphous structure, then you 
can run SHELXC
to read XDS_ASCII.HKL or .sca files to make the .hkl, files followed by AnoDe 
(also part of SHELX) to
read name_fa.hkl and name.ent (your original full PDB file, no just the heavy 
atoms) to make
name_fa.res containing the heavy atom sites from the anomalous map. Then you 
have the files
you need to run SHELXE, e.g.

shelxe name name_fa -a5 -s0.5 -q

but see the documentation for more information about the command line switches, 
e.g. -n for NCS.
The advantage of this is that your final structure will be relative to the same 
origin as your original
PDB file. 

Best wishes, George


On 03/15/2013 10:13 AM, Wei Feng wrote:
Dear all,
I have an original  sca file with anomalous signal  and a heavy atoms sites 
file in PDB format.


PDB FILE :
CRYST1   77.780   77.780  187.640  90.00  90.00 120.00 P 61 2 2
SCALE1  0.012857  0.007423 -0.00   -0.0
SCALE2 -0.00  0.014846 -0.000.0
SCALE3  0.00 -0.00  0.005329   -0.0
ATOM  1  S   HAT 1 -62.495 123.694  12.804  0.36 20.00   S
ATOM  9  S   HAT 9 -49.984  90.531   2.130  0.32 20.00   S
ATOM 10  S   HAT10 -59.282 106.437   9.760  0.74 20.00   S
ATOM 84  S   HAT84 -60.153 114.024  15.399  0.52 20.00   S
... ...


Can I use  SHELXE to perform phasing and density modification?  How to do it?
Thank you for your help!
Wei








-- 
Prof. George M. Sheldrick FRS
Dept. Structural Chemistry, 
University of Goettingen,
Tammannstr. 4,
D37077 Goettingen, Germany
Tel. +49-551-39-3021 or -3068
Fax. +49-551-39-22582