Re: [ccp4bb] fixing position in the refinement: Shelx, refmac5

2008-04-04 Thread George M. Sheldrick
For SHELX there are two ways to fix selected atoms: either put AFIX 1 
in front of the fixed atoms and AFIX 0 after them, or use the BLOC 
instruction. e.g.

BLOC 1 N_1  C_53 N_57  C61 N_62 CA_62 C_62 O_62 N_63  LAST
BLOC -1 N_1  C_53 N_57  C61 N_62 CA_62 C_62 O_62 N_63  LAST

would fix residues 54-56 and the side-chain of residue 62 (but you may 
need to consider the order of atoms). This would be easier than using 
AFIX if you are already using AFIX for riding hydrogens, however it is 
OK to fix atoms with AFIX 1 and then use HFIX in the same job to add 
hydrogens. I have deliberately chosen a complicated example to show how 
easy it is!

More details on SHELXL refinements are now available from the CCP4 Wiki:
http://strucbio.biologie.uni-konstanz.de/ccp4wiki/index.php/SHELXL

and for SHELXC, D and E see:
http://strucbio.biologie.uni-konstanz.de/ccp4wiki/index.php/SHELX_C/D/E

Note that since this is a Wiki, users are encouraged to contribute!

George

Prof. George M. Sheldrick FRS
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University of Goettingen,
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On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, U Sam wrote:

 How one can fix position of few residues when refining in SHELX or Refmac5.
 Thanks. Sam.
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Re: [ccp4bb] fixing position in the refinement: Shelx, refmac5

2008-04-04 Thread Garib Murshudov
No. Better way is restraining internal degrees of freedom. Something  
like elastic network model:

Tirion MM (1996) Phys Rev Letters 77 pp 1905-1908


But care should be taken with weights and which distances should be  
restrained.


Fiixing position is not good way of using prior information (In my  
view of course, which is debatable)


Garib

On 4 Apr 2008, at 06:56, Frank von Delft wrote:

Is that also how you would restrain refinement at low resolution  
when using a high-resolution model?  (e.g. a 1.8A model into 4A data)


phx.



Garib Murshudov wrote:
In newer version of refmac you can use harmonic restraints. Take  
the new stable version of refmac from

www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/YSBLPrograms/index.jsp

and use harmonic restraints as described in:
http://www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/~garib/refmac/data/refmac_news.html  
http://www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/%7Egarib/refmac/data/refmac_news.html


Keyword is:

 external harmonic residues from [residue_number] [chain_name] to  
[residue_number] [chain_name] sigma [value] sigma 0.1



With the current ccp4i version you can use developers option and  
add an external keyword file that contains this keyword for  
residues you want to fix.


I hope it helps.

Garib

On 4 Apr 2008, at 00:39, U Sam wrote:
How one can fix position of few residues when refining in SHELX  
or Refmac5.

Thanks. Sam.
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Re: [ccp4bb] fixing position in the refinement: Shelx, refmac5

2008-04-03 Thread Frank von Delft
Is that also how you would restrain refinement at low resolution when 
using a high-resolution model?  (e.g. a 1.8A model into 4A data)


phx.



Garib Murshudov wrote:
In newer version of refmac you can use harmonic restraints. 
Take the new stable version of refmac from

www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/YSBLPrograms/index.jsp

and use harmonic restraints as described in:
http://www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/~garib/refmac/data/refmac_news.html 
http://www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/%7Egarib/refmac/data/refmac_news.html


Keyword is:

 external harmonic residues from [residue_number] [chain_name] to 
[residue_number] [chain_name] sigma [value] sigma 0.1



With the current ccp4i version you can use developers option and add 
an external keyword file that contains this keyword for residues you 
want to fix.


I hope it helps.

Garib

On 4 Apr 2008, at 00:39, U Sam wrote:
How one can fix position of few residues when refining in SHELX or 
Refmac5.

Thanks. Sam.
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