Re: Symbolics system board and host Mac

2015-08-26 Thread Todd Killingsworth
That price sounds more like a purchase by a business running legacy apps... On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Glen Slick glen.sl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 12:39 AM, jwsmobile j...@jwsss.com wrote: I was going to play dumb and hope this didn't go nuts in price but it did.

Re: A tale of woe, including carelessness, stupidity and laziness....

2015-08-26 Thread Paul Koning
On Aug 26, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Jay Jaeger cu...@charter.net wrote: On 8/26/2015 8:19 AM, Paul Koning wrote: I heard of this sort of thing happening to the DEC building at Marlboro. Supposedly it had two mains entrances, served from different power lines (and different companies? Seems

RE: ASR-33 differences

2015-08-26 Thread tony duell
I've finally gotten a hold of a restored ASR-33. One question I have concerns the paper tape reader. My recollection of using this TTY in the 70's was that the reader switch lever had 4 positions; on this tty there are 3. I know that for I have to add a reader control relay to interface

Re: A tale of woe, including carelessness, stupidity and laziness....

2015-08-26 Thread Craig Ruff
On 8/22/2015 4:11 PM, Eric Smith wrote: In my mostly misspent youth, I once had the opportunity to visit a facility where a now obscure supercomputer was developed. The product manager was showing me around. Denelcor perhaps?

Re: A tale of woe, including carelessness, stupidity and laziness....

2015-08-26 Thread Brent Hilpert
On 2015-Aug-26, at 12:13 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote: Also, when I was a kid, I was playing around with a Jacob's Ladder I had made using a old vibrator-equipped Ford spark coil (I may still have that around), and I had a telegraph key as a switch. Welll, one day I was adjusting the ladder

Re: A tale of woe, including carelessness, stupidity and laziness....

2015-08-26 Thread Noel Chiappa
From: Paul Koning What happened is that the grounds were offset enough, and with enough of a current supply, that the ground strap that's supposed to connect the row of RP06 drives melted. This sort of thing is a major electric code violation: you can certainly have

Re: A tale of woe, including carelessness, stupidity and laziness....

2015-08-26 Thread Jay Jaeger
On 8/26/2015 8:19 AM, Paul Koning wrote: I heard of this sort of thing happening to the DEC building at Marlboro. Supposedly it had two mains entrances, served from different power lines (and different companies? Seems odd). One of the machine rooms had feeds from both ends, and one

ASR-33 differences

2015-08-26 Thread Marc Howard
Hi, I've finally gotten a hold of a restored ASR-33. One question I have concerns the paper tape reader. My recollection of using this TTY in the 70's was that the reader switch lever had 4 positions; on this tty there are 3. I know that for I have to add a reader control relay to interface to

Re: DEC 9 Track Tapes (was Re: Applikon Workstation?)

2015-08-26 Thread Mike Loewen
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015, Jay Jaeger wrote: On 8/26/2015 8:00 AM, Jacob Ritorto wrote: Ah, I knew that sounded familiar. I have a pretty sizable stack of what appear to be original nine-track tapes with their pdp11 software on them in my collection. Any interest? I could try to get my tu-10

Re: VMS 5.4 AUTHORIZE issues

2015-08-26 Thread Peter Coghlan
Kyle Owen wrote: Just picked up a very complete MicroVAX 3800. I have very little experience with VMS as this is my first VAX. Mostly a PDP-8 guy, I suppose. I'm running through the change password procedure, which I had seen mentioned previously on this list: SET VAXCLUSTER 0 SET

Re: Symbolics system board and host Mac

2015-08-26 Thread Glen Slick
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 12:39 AM, jwsmobile j...@jwsss.com wrote: I was going to play dumb and hope this didn't go nuts in price but it did. Anyone here bidding? I'd be interested in one of these just to play with, but will probably try to use the emulator if I ever get the chance to get into

VMS 5.4 AUTHORIZE issues

2015-08-26 Thread Kyle Owen
Just picked up a very complete MicroVAX 3800. I have very little experience with VMS as this is my first VAX. Mostly a PDP-8 guy, I suppose. I'm running through the change password procedure, which I had seen mentioned previously on this list: SET VAXCLUSTER 0 SET /STARTUP OPA0: SET

Re: VMS 5.4 AUTHORIZE issues

2015-08-26 Thread Sean Caron
Nice one! A big'un and fully loaded, too! You tried this procedure? Always worked for me. http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/v1/atw.pdf Best, Sean On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Kyle Owen kylevo...@gmail.com wrote: Just picked up a very complete MicroVAX 3800. I have very little

Re: A tale of woe, including carelessness, stupidity and laziness....

2015-08-26 Thread Jay Jaeger
On 8/26/2015 1:20 AM, jwsmobile wrote: Microdata card extractors were always engaged to a rail that was metal, and in one site I was at, there was a CE sized hole in the wall behind a system when the engineer extracted the printer card and the card extractors came free from the system.

DEC 9 Track Tapes (was Re: Applikon Workstation?)

2015-08-26 Thread Jay Jaeger
On 8/26/2015 8:00 AM, Jacob Ritorto wrote: Ah, I knew that sounded familiar. I have a pretty sizable stack of what appear to be original nine-track tapes with their pdp11 software on them in my collection. Any interest? I could try to get my tu-10 going again to image them, but might need

Origin of second system effect before 1975?

2015-08-26 Thread Shoppa, Tim
I know of two publications in 1975 that used the term second system effect or second-systemitis. 1: Brooks' _Mythical Man-Month_. 2: Bell's and Streeker's What We Learned From the PDP-11. Does anyone know of earlier usage of this term or earlier names for this effect, possibly outside of

RE: A tale of woe, including carelessness, stupidity and laziness....

2015-08-26 Thread tony duell
Yup, in the first house I owned, i had a computer room. Whereas now you have a 'computer house' ? The previous owner had done some retrofits and installed an outlet in a closet. I plugged a printer into that outlet, and my computer (S-100, CP/M) into another on the opposite wall. Some

Re: A tale of woe, including carelessness, stupidity and laziness....

2015-08-26 Thread Jon Elson
On 08/26/2015 08:19 AM, Paul Koning wrote: Turned out there was a 120v potential between the dedicated power for the computer and the printer which was plugged into the normal building power. There was probably as much as an amp going thru the grounds from the terminals in the building and

Re: VMS 5.4 AUTHORIZE issues

2015-08-26 Thread Peter Coghlan
Kyle Owen wrote: That seemed to do the trick! I'm now in the system. I'm struggling to understand how to switch between making it conversational boot and not. I'm assuming the lack of the NiCd battery will mean it won't necessarily remember such preferences, but maybe I'm wrong. At this

Re: A tale of woe, including carelessness, stupidity and laziness....

2015-08-26 Thread Andrew Burton
Agreed. I know of a story of someone working with a drill was also wearing a tie*... needless to say the tie accidentally got caught around the drill and the guy was very nearly strangled to death... * He had attended in interview earlier in the day and didn't go home before returning to work.

Re: A tale of woe, including carelessness, stupidity and laziness....

2015-08-26 Thread Paul Koning
On Aug 26, 2015, at 4:07 PM, Noel Chiappa j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu wrote: From: Paul Koning What happened is that the grounds were offset enough, and with enough of a current supply, that the ground strap that's supposed to connect the row of RP06 drives melted. This sort of thing is a

Re: DEC 9 Track Tapes (was Re: Applikon Workstation?)

2015-08-26 Thread Jay Jaeger
On 8/26/2015 2:21 PM, Mike Loewen wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2015, Jay Jaeger wrote: On 8/26/2015 8:00 AM, Jacob Ritorto wrote: Ah, I knew that sounded familiar. I have a pretty sizable stack of what appear to be original nine-track tapes with their pdp11 software on them in my collection.

Re: Many Manuals - Also Boxes of Fan Fold Paper

2015-08-26 Thread John Foust
At 04:03 PM 8/25/2015, Jerome H. Fine wrote: Since the topic of hard copy manuals is at least on a few minds, I thought I would mention that I have at least 20 feet of mostly DEC PDP-11 related manuals which will have to be tossed if a home can't be found. While I estimate that at least 90% of

Re: VMS 5.4 AUTHORIZE issues

2015-08-26 Thread Kyle Owen
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Peter Coghlan cct...@beyondthepale.ie wrote: You need an @ sign in front of SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.COM (Sorry - I think I originally posted that procedure with the @ sign missing.) That seemed to do the trick! I'm now in the system. I'm struggling to understand

Re: A tale of woe, including carelessness, stupidity and laziness....

2015-08-26 Thread Jay Jaeger
On 8/26/2015 2:33 PM, Paul Koning wrote: On Aug 26, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Jay Jaeger cu...@charter.net wrote: On 8/26/2015 8:19 AM, Paul Koning wrote: I heard of this sort of thing happening to the DEC building at Marlboro. Supposedly it had two mains entrances, served from different power

90 degree phase rotation commercial power (was: Re: A tale of woe, including carelessness, stupidity and laziness....)

2015-08-26 Thread Christian Kennedy
On 8/26/15 12:33, Paul Koning wrote: 90? Three phase power is 120 degrees apart, center-tapped two phase home power is 180 degrees, but I don't know of any power company service that produces 90 degree shifts. There's a bunch of 90-degree two-phase stuff in Philadelphia; in particular the

Re: A tale of woe, including carelessness, stupidity and laziness....

2015-08-26 Thread Jon Elson
On 08/26/2015 12:02 PM, tony duell wrote: Yup, in the first house I owned, i had a computer room. Whereas now you have a 'computer house' ? The previous owner had done some retrofits and installed an outlet in a closet. I plugged a printer into that outlet, and my computer (S-100, CP/M)

Pre-VCFMW Sales and Free Stuff

2015-08-26 Thread Jason T
It's a bit late but I may as well post my list of stuff I'd like to see go away this weekend. Small items can be delivered to you at VCF Midwest. Large items you'll have to pick up from my home or storage, both of which are 10 miles from the show, either during the week before or on Sunday

Re: A tale of woe, including carelessness, stupidity and laziness....

2015-08-26 Thread Jay Jaeger
On 8/26/2015 3:07 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: From: Paul Koning What happened is that the grounds were offset enough, and with enough of a current supply, that the ground strap that's supposed to connect the row of RP06 drives melted. This sort of thing is a major

Re: 90 degree phase rotation commercial power

2015-08-26 Thread Jay Jaeger
On 8/26/2015 3:48 PM, Christian Kennedy wrote: On 8/26/15 12:33, Paul Koning wrote: 90? Three phase power is 120 degrees apart, center-tapped two phase home power is 180 degrees, but I don't know of any power company service that produces 90 degree shifts. There's a bunch of 90-degree

Re: ASR-33 differences

2015-08-26 Thread Christian Gauger-Cosgrove
On 26 August 2015 at 14:03, tony duell a...@p850ug1.demon.co.uk wrote: I've only ever seen the ones with 3 position levers, but from reading the manuals I think the 3 position levers are manual control models and 4 position levers are automatic control models (with extra levers and swtiches in

Re: Pre-VCFMW Sales and Free Stuff

2015-08-26 Thread Sean Caron
That TS05 is probably in excess of 100 lbs, no? Pity it's not a little closer, I'd definitely take a 9-track to play with for free! Best, Sean On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Jason T silent...@gmail.com wrote: It's a bit late but I may as well post my list of stuff I'd like to see go away