Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-12 Thread Tom Moss
This may also be of use: https://www.briggsoft.com/fmdos.htm On 12 November 2015 at 21:58, Tom Moss wrote: > I've never seen anything works on the sector level, but there are plenty > of terminal emulators that can backup entire directorties with YMODEM batch > or

Re: DECtape reliability?

2015-11-12 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-11-12 19:49, Al Kossow wrote: On 11/12/15 7:27 AM, Jon Elson wrote: LINCtape is essentially identical to DECtape. I think the directory format is different, but I think the block format is the same. I think the tapes are wound in reverse order and the order of increasing block

RE: 8 inch media

2015-11-12 Thread Cindy Croxton
Diskettes are sold! That was fast! Cindy -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Croxton Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:29 PM To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' Subject: 8 inch media Several people were asking

x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-12 Thread Jules Richardson
As per subject line, does anyone know of any util that will back up an x86 PC running some variant of DOS (MS, Compaq etc.) via rs232 to a remote system? (Linux preferable on the remote, but other options exist) I'm not finding anything via Google, but it seems like the sort of thing that

Re: 8 inch media

2015-11-12 Thread Sue Skonetski
I also have a box of the DEC 8-inch if needed. Fun story to go along with this topic. As part of the VMS engineering team that dealt with a number of customer issues the following happened. We got a call from a customer who had not made a back up of his system disk and they needed an ancient

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-12 Thread Mouse
> As per subject line, does anyone know of any util that will back up > an x86 PC running some variant of DOS (MS, Compaq etc.) via rs232 to > a remote system? (Linux preferable on the remote, but other options > exist) Bring up a liveCD or moral equivalent and run SLIP, then do any of many

Re: Unusual Altair 8800 power supply. Upgrade kit, factory error, or something else?

2015-11-12 Thread Joseph Lang
Perhaps "card cage" is overstating what MITS did. Plastic guides screwed to a PCB is far more accurate. Joe > On Nov 11, 2015, at 3:52 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > >> On 11/11/2015 12:05 PM, Joseph Lang wrote: >> Rev 0 used a small (too small;-) transformer and suffered. The

Re: Fw: new message

2015-11-12 Thread wulfman
dont open this link. On 11/13/2015 8:26 AM, kateli...@trouts.org wrote: > Hey! > > > > New message, please read > > > > kateli...@trouts.org > > -- The contents of this e-mail and any attachments are intended solely for the use of the named

RE: DECtape reliability?

2015-11-12 Thread Rich Alderson
From: Johnny Billquist Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:44 PM > However, that is still dealing with DECtapes. I'm curious about the > ability to deal with LINCtapes, that don't use the same codes on the mark > track (or whatever it was called, my memory fails me at the moment). Yes, "mark

RE: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-12 Thread Cindy Croxton
We used to back up to serial attached devices, such as tape drives or a serially attached hard drive, but I never did it to a different operating system, sorry. -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jules Richardson Sent: Thursday, November

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-12 Thread Warner Losh
On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Mouse wrote: > > As per subject line, does anyone know of any util that will back up > > an x86 PC running some variant of DOS (MS, Compaq etc.) via rs232 to > > a remote system? (Linux preferable on the remote, but other options > >

Re: DECtape reliability?

2015-11-12 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-11-13 00:27, Ian S. King wrote: PIP10 will let you read (and ISTR, write) PDP-10 formatted tapes on a PDP-8/TC08. Been there, done that. I don't know if there would be a problem on a TD8E setup. -- Ian No, PIP10 knows of both the TC08 and TD8E. If you ever read the PIP10 source

Re: DECtape reliability?

2015-11-12 Thread Ian S. King
PIP10 will let you read (and ISTR, write) PDP-10 formatted tapes on a PDP-8/TC08. Been there, done that. I don't know if there would be a problem on a TD8E setup. -- Ian On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > > > On Nov 12, 2015, at 4:29 PM, Johnny

Fw: new message

2015-11-12 Thread katelists
Hey! New message, please read kateli...@trouts.org

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-12 Thread Mouse
>> Bring up a liveCD or moral equivalent and run SLIP, then do any of >> many networked-backup variants? > Hmm, was SLIP an option for DOS TCP/IP stacks? I meant for the livecd to be on the usually-running-DOS machine. But see below. Of course, if you have the ability to add hardware, you might

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-12 Thread Fred Cisin
On Thu, 12 Nov 2015, Mouse wrote: However, I _think_ some old Sun and MicroVAX machines play in that space; I've seen Qbus hardware that talks to drives with card-edge connectors and I've seen SCSI-to-cardedge interfaces on Suns of Sun-3/260 vintage. I don't know the details of ST506, ESDI, and

RE: To Al Kossow at bitsavers

2015-11-12 Thread Jay West
I think bitsavers is the best spot for that type of thing. But if for whatever reason Al doesn't wish to, I'd be happy to put them at: http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/ in the RT11 directory. There are already files and distributions of interest there. J

Re: In Memoriam: Gene Amdahl 1922-2015

2015-11-12 Thread Adrian Stoness
this wound up in my spam box On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Christian Liendo < christian_lie...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > http://m.cacm.acm.org/news/194192-in-memoriam-gene-amdahl-1922-2015/fulltext > > > Gene Amdahl, who formulated Amdahl's Law and worked with IBM and others on >

RE: Fw: new message

2015-11-12 Thread Jay West
Apologies, not sure how that got through. Maybe a listmember got address-book-malware. Will see if the headers reveal anything that is easy to spot. J

Re: Fw: new message

2015-11-12 Thread Jerome H. Fine
>Jay West wrote: Apologies, not sure how that got through. Maybe a listmember got address-book-malware. Will see if the headers reveal anything that is easy to spot. So few get through that the VERY rare exception is a credit to your diligence and choice of a great filter. And as many of us

Re: new message

2015-11-12 Thread Lyle Bickley
On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 21:25:58 -0600 "Jay West" wrote: > Apologies, not sure how that got through. > > Maybe a listmember got address-book-malware. Will see if the headers reveal > anything that is easy to spot. I'm a member of spamcop and submitted all of the spam posts to

Re: DECtape reliability?

2015-11-12 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-11-12 14:24, Tom Moss wrote: I've had very mixed (about 50/50) success with 9-track, but after reading a bit about DECtape it looks like they should still be holding up nicely. Anyone care to share their experiences? Not sure what there is to share. I've yet to encounter a DECtape I

Re: Fw: new message

2015-11-12 Thread Dave Woyciesjes
On 11/12/2015 09:11 PM, wulfman wrote: On 11/12/2015 7:04 PM, Dave Woyciesjes wrote: On 11/12/2015 06:40 PM, wulfman wrote: On 11/13/2015 8:26 AM, kateli...@trouts.org wrote: Hey! New message, please read kateli...@trouts.org dont open this

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-12 Thread Al Kossow
On 11/12/15 4:00 PM, Mouse wrote: However, I _think_ some old Sun and MicroVAX machines play in that space; I've seen Qbus hardware that talks to drives with card-edge connectors and I've seen SCSI-to-cardedge interfaces on Suns of Sun-3/260 vintage. I don't know the details of ST506, ESDI,

To Al Kossow at bitsavers

2015-11-12 Thread Jerome H. Fine
I sent the following post to Al on November 10th at 9:22 P.M. EST. Al did not reply or I did not see his reply, so I presume that he is just ignoring my request although Al did ask Jay Jaeger to respond. Al, if you have changed your mind, please reply with the name of the incoming directory as

In Memoriam: Gene Amdahl 1922-2015

2015-11-12 Thread Christian Liendo
http://m.cacm.acm.org/news/194192-in-memoriam-gene-amdahl-1922-2015/fulltext Gene Amdahl, who formulated Amdahl's Law and worked with IBM and others on developments related to mainframe computing, died recently from complications of pneumonia. American computer architect and high-tech

Re: DECtape reliability?

2015-11-12 Thread Paul Koning
> On Nov 12, 2015, at 7:16 PM, Rich Alderson > wrote: > > ... >> However, more "intelligent" controllers do all this processing of the >> mark track to identify start and end of block/tape, and all other >> processing, in the controller. Can you make them read

Re: DECtape reliability?

2015-11-12 Thread Paul Koning
> On Nov 12, 2015, at 8:47 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: > > On 2015-11-12 14:24, Tom Moss wrote: >> I've had very mixed (about 50/50) success with 9-track, but after reading a >> bit about DECtape it looks like they should still be holding up nicely. >> >> Anyone care to

Re: DECtape reliability?

2015-11-12 Thread Jon Elson
On 11/12/2015 07:24 AM, Tom Moss wrote: I've had very mixed (about 50/50) success with 9-track, but after reading a bit about DECtape it looks like they should still be holding up nicely. Anyone care to share their experiences? Some guys at Washington University restored a LINC that had been

Re: DECtape reliability?

2015-11-12 Thread Doug Ingraham
I've got over 200 DEC tapes written before 1973 and there are just a couple where there is any issue. Those with issues have severe wear of the tape surface. They were system tapes that were in constant service. Usually you get a couple of cycles of shoe shine and it manages to read anyway. It

Re: NeXTSTEP 3.3 Web Browser

2015-11-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 2015-11-12 12:45 PM, Alan Perry wrote: On 11/11/15 6:50 PM, Tapley, Mark wrote: ... [not sure who wrote] >> Licensing will be a *real* issue, but a version of Mathematica 3 will also run on that system. No idea where you could possibly find a copy of that, but it’s pretty cool and

Re: DECtape reliability?

2015-11-12 Thread Gary Oliver
On 11/12/2015 05:24 AM, Tom Moss wrote: I've had very mixed (about 50/50) success with 9-track, but after reading a bit about DECtape it looks like they should still be holding up nicely. Anyone care to share their experiences? Long, long time ago I had a DECtape that had been severely

Re: IBM PS/2 memory

2015-11-12 Thread Jules Richardson
On 11/11/2015 10:03 PM, Gary Sparkes wrote: My model 70 (386 version) wants 85ns 2MB modules. My blue lightning 70 (486) won't accept those. It demands 2MB 80ns modules. Hmm, both of the ones that were originally in this machine (a 2MB and 4MB) were 85ns. The 2MB was snafu, but now the 4MB

Re: NeXTSTEP 3.3 Web Browser

2015-11-12 Thread David Brownlee
On 12 November 2015 at 04:49, Kyle Owen wrote: > > Also trying to get SSL working better with OmniWeb. I still can't go to > Gmail from it as it's complaining about cookie issues, and other sites, > like reddit.com, fail to load altogether. :( Does OmniWeb support using a

Re: NeXTSTEP 3.3 Web Browser

2015-11-12 Thread Kyle Owen
On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 11:06 AM, David Brownlee wrote: > Does OmniWeb support using a web proxy - if so you might find it > easier to setup a proxy on another box on your local net and have it > handle all the SSL (faster too :-p) > Good question; I'll have to look into that

RE: DECtape reliability?

2015-11-12 Thread Rich Alderson
From: Ian S. King Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:27 PM > PIP10 will let you read (and ISTR, write) PDP-10 formatted tapes on a > PDP-8/TC08. Been there, done that. I don't know if there would be a > problem on a TD8E setup. -- Ian PIP10 explicitly includes code to use the TD8E instead of