Re: Fwd: Re: Architectural diversity - was Re: Pair of Twiggys

2017-03-16 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 03/16/2017 08:19 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > In response to a question of who provided the Lisa FORTRAN, guy who > insisted that Valtrep was the predecessor of FORTRAN 'course he also > had OS/2 for the PDP-11, and a PROGRAM that could duplicate alignment > disks, . . . Oh jeez, not

Re: Fwd: Re: Architectural diversity - was Re: Pair of Twiggys

2017-03-16 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 03/16/2017 06:28 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: > But was FORTRAN that portable? Other than the IBM 1130 I cannot think > of a small computer that had ample I/O and memory to run and compile > FORTRAN. All the other 16 bitters seem to more paper tape I/O. I > suspect 90% of all university computers

RE: Re: Architectural diversity - was Re: Pair of Twiggys

2017-03-16 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
From: cctalk [cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] on behalf of ben via cctalk [cctalk@classiccmp.org] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 9:28 PM To: computer talk Subject: Fwd: Re: Architectural diversity - was Re: Pair of Twiggys On 3/16/2017 5:16 PM, Bill

Re: Fwd: Re: Architectural diversity - was Re: Pair of Twiggys

2017-03-16 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Who was it who said, "FORTRAN is more portable than syphilis" I found it! I thought Djikstra, but it turned out to be Stan Kelly-Bootle: "The definition of FORTRAN from the "Devil's DP Dictionary", by Stan Kelly-Bootle: "FORTRAN n. [Acronym for FORmula TRANslating system.] One of the earliest

Re: Fwd: Re: Architectural diversity - was Re: Pair of Twiggys

2017-03-16 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Thu, 16 Mar 2017, ben via cctalk wrote: But was FORTRAN that portable? Who was it who said, "FORTRAN is more portable than syphilis" Other than the IBM 1130 I cannot think of a small computer that had ample I/O and memory to run and compile FORTRAN. All the other 16 bitters seem to more

Fwd: Re: Architectural diversity - was Re: Pair of Twiggys

2017-03-16 Thread ben via cctalk
On 3/16/2017 5:16 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: From: cctalk [cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] on behalf of Chuck Guzis via cctalk [cctalk@classiccmp.org] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 6:08 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts

Re: AC magnetic field strengths

2017-03-16 Thread js--- via cctalk
That is in fact how I spot degauss CRT screens, but using a flat wood boring bit (metal, obviously, instead of a paint stick) with the magnet stuck on the end, spun around with a drill. - J. On 3/16/2017 6:37 PM, dwight via cctalk wrote: It sounds like one can make a fine tape degausser by

Re: AC magnetic field strengths

2017-03-16 Thread dwight via cctalk
It sounds like one can make a fine tape degausser by connecting a super magnet to the end of a paint stirring rod and use a drill to spin it. Dwight From: cctalk on behalf of Tapley, Mark via cctalk

Re: Univac I memory tank

2017-03-16 Thread dwight via cctalk
If anyone has a Diehl Combitron or one of the NCR versions. I'd love to have one. I used one years ago while working for UofMiami. I used it because it could be programmed and did square root. I can't pay what one is worth but would still love to have one. Dwight

RE: Architectural diversity - was Re: Pair of Twiggys

2017-03-16 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
From: cctalk [cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] on behalf of Chuck Guzis via cctalk [cctalk@classiccmp.org] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 6:08 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Architectural diversity - was Re: Pair of

Re: Architectural diversity - was Re: Pair of Twiggys

2017-03-16 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 03/16/2017 02:54 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 5:42 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk > wrote: >>> Porting to diverse architectures is still a great way to find >>> latent bugs. >> >> Too bad people can't be arsed to port merely to diverse

Re: Architectural diversity - was Re: Pair of Twiggys

2017-03-16 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 5:42 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: >> Porting to diverse architectures is still a great way to find latent bugs. > > Too bad people can't be arsed to port merely to diverse *operating systems*, > let alone architectures. I'm one of the folks

Re: Architectural diversity - was Re: Pair of Twiggys

2017-03-16 Thread Cameron Kaiser via cctalk
> > I politely suggested they should go back and read up on what > > "undefined" means and then go fix their code... > > Porting to diverse architectures is still a great way to find latent bugs. Too bad people can't be arsed to port merely to diverse *operating systems*, let alone

Architectural diversity - was Re: Pair of Twiggys

2017-03-16 Thread Toby Thain via cctalk
On 2017-03-16 5:09 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 6:55 PM, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote: On 2017-03-15 5:17 PM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: Has anybody else noticed that the meaning of "portable code" seems to have morphed into "can be built on two or

Re: Pair of Twiggys

2017-03-16 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 6:55 PM, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote: > On 2017-03-15 5:17 PM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: >> Has anybody else noticed that the meaning of "portable code" seems to have >> morphed into "can be built on two or three different flavours of Linux"? >

Re: I hate the new mail system

2017-03-16 Thread Mike Stein via cctalk
Jay, I think that despite the occasional venting of frustration we're mostly just trying to add some data points that may help in the migration. I'm pretty confident that every member of the list appreciates the time, effort and whatever else you and certain others have contributed to keep

RE: I hate the new mail system

2017-03-16 Thread Jay West via cctalk
It was written == This header change thing is A BIG MESS! Make it like before, PLEASE! It's just annoying, unusable (On my iOS devices, I can't find the original sender at all!) and completely unneeded. I'm losing fun using the list. -- We've been in the

Android rumors [Was: Pair of Twiggys]

2017-03-16 Thread Pontus Pihlgren via cctalk
On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 10:49:56AM -0600, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:28 AM, geneb via cctalk > wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Mar 2017, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: > > > >> I'm waiting for the rise of cell phones to make it > >> > >> 202x All the

Re: I hate the new mail system

2017-03-16 Thread Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk
On 03/07/2017 10:57 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote: On Mon, 6 Mar 2017, Mouse wrote: [...] And BTW, what you are doing is not clever at all: mo...@rodents-montreal.org SMTP error from remote mail server after initial connection: host MX-4.rodents-montreal.org [98.124.61.89]:

Re: I hate the new mail system

2017-03-16 Thread Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk
This header change thing is A BIG MESS! Make it like before, PLEASE! It's just annoying, unusable (On my iOS devices, I can't find the original sender at all!) and completely unneeded. I'm losing fun using the list. On 03/04/2017 08:38 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote: For now I

Re: Pair of Twiggys

2017-03-16 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:28 AM, geneb via cctalk wrote: > On Wed, 15 Mar 2017, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: > >> I'm waiting for the rise of cell phones to make it >> >> 202x All the world's an ARM running Android >> > on Linux. :) Kinda... It's a forked Linux kernel

Re: Pair of Twiggys

2017-03-16 Thread geneb via cctalk
On Wed, 15 Mar 2017, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: I'm waiting for the rise of cell phones to make it 202x All the world's an ARM running Android on Linux. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go

Looking for an Intel SRM

2017-03-16 Thread Camiel Vanderhoeven via cctalk
Here¹s a long shot, about as long as they get. I received an Intel iPSC/860 supercomputer, but it¹s lacking the Intel SRM (System Resource Manager), without which the system is a boat anchor. The SRM is an Intel 386 desktop machine, with a SYP301 motherboard and a plugin card to connect it to

Re: DEC frontpanel switch replica!

2017-03-16 Thread Pete Turnbull via cctalk
On 16/03/2017 00:30, Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk wrote: I have announced that there will be a kind of handle for the boards this time... I went to my neighbour and showed him some bits and pieces. He has a nice little workshop for concrete artwork (https://www.fritzundfranz.com/) and spent a

Re: DEC frontpanel switch replica!

2017-03-16 Thread Rod Smallwood via cctalk
On 16/03/2017 07:30, SPC via cctalk wrote: Well... I'm needing some of them for my PDP8/E. So I think this is a good idea. Regards Sergio 2017-03-16 1:30 GMT+01:00 Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk : Hi folks, this might be quite interesting for the folks that miss front

Re: Univac I memory tank

2017-03-16 Thread Christian Corti via cctalk
On Wed, 15 Mar 2017, dwight wrote: The Olivetti used a piece of wire for the delay line. I forget what the Dielh Combitron used but I know it used a two delay lines. One was for registers and the other was for lookup tables that loaded at turn on time from a metal tape ( as I recall ). I can

Re: DEC frontpanel switch replica!

2017-03-16 Thread SPC via cctalk
Well... I'm needing some of them for my PDP8/E. So I think this is a good idea. Regards Sergio 2017-03-16 1:30 GMT+01:00 Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk : > Hi folks, > > this might be quite interesting for the folks that miss front panel switch > handles! > > As some of you