Re: Looking for PDP-8 G603 "Memory Selector Matrix" boards (or dec T-2052 transformers)

2017-04-13 Thread Pete Lancashire via cctalk
Using a t-2052 build up a test fixture, a pulse generator and​ a oscilloscope and if have access to one a high bandwidth current probe. Use the 2052s you have, record the curves etc and then make up some test transformers. -Pete component engineer in a former life. On Apr 13, 2017 3:36 PM,

Re: WTB: DEC Rainbow Expansion Memory

2017-04-13 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 12:00 PM, shad via cctech wrote: > Hello, > I'm in the pretty same condition, I have a Rainbow 100B without memory > expansion. > Not sure however, about the correct board number, which would fit the 100B. > What should I search for? The DEC

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 04/13/2017 09:05 PM, Don North wrote: > I especially liked the Spanish language version of IITRAN: > http://www.ak6dn.com/stuff/spantran.pdf That does look like a TTY session. But the use of "hacer" (infinitive) for "DO" is puzzling. I would have made it the imperitive "haga". --Chuck

Re: APL and descendants - was Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Eric Christopherson via cctalk
On Thu, Apr 13, 2017, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk wrote: > Toby Thain via cctalk wrote on Thu, 13 Apr 2017 19:34:08 -0400 > > On 2017-04-13 6:54 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > > So, whence APL today? > > > > Still lives on -- Dyalog, J, K, etc. Recently discovered the #jsoftware > >

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Jerry Weiss via cctalk
> On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:42 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > On 04/13/2017 05:47 PM, Jerry Weiss wrote: > >> Then my dad got transferred to Chicago and that high school had >> “access” to IITRAN. By access, that meant punching cards, and >> waiting for the

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 04/13/2017 05:47 PM, Jerry Weiss wrote: > Then my dad got transferred to Chicago and that high school had > “access” to IITRAN. By access, that meant punching cards, and > waiting for the teacher to load in batch and waiting for the results. > > > Losing the interactive aspect overshadowed

APL and descendants - was Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk
Toby Thain via cctalk wrote on Thu, 13 Apr 2017 19:34:08 -0400 > On 2017-04-13 6:54 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > So, whence APL today? > > Still lives on -- Dyalog, J, K, etc. Recently discovered the #jsoftware > channel on Freenode for APL fans. I consider Matlab and Julia to be

Re: TRS-80 curiosity

2017-04-13 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Model I Hard Disk Adapter (40 to 50 pin): http://prof-80.fr/interface-hd-modele-1-n-26-1132 On Fri, 14 Apr 2017, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: Nope, it's none of those. Can you describe in what ways it differs?

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Jerry Weiss via cctalk
> On Apr 13, 2017, at 3:24 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > On 04/13/2017 12:30 PM, Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote: >> From: allison Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 3:18 PM >> >>> BASIC, why is that the most universal language implemented on >>> nearly every

Re: TRS-80 curiosity

2017-04-13 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 4/12/2017 10:13 PM, Scott Kevill via cctalk wrote: > Descriptions are in French, but Google Translate works well enough. > > Model I Buffered EI Cable (40 to 40 pin): > http://prof-80.fr/carte-tandy-1700077-c/buffered-ei-cable >

APL and descendants - was Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Toby Thain via cctalk
On 2017-04-13 6:54 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 04/13/2017 02:19 PM, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote: While one might argue the proliferation of BASIC on micros followed from BG/PA & SW/SJ, I'd say their implementations were following a trend rather than initiating it. BASIC was gaining

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 04/13/2017 02:19 PM, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote: > While one might argue the proliferation of BASIC on micros followed > from BG/PA & SW/SJ, I'd say their implementations were following a > trend rather than initiating it. BASIC was gaining prominence prior > to their implementations of

Re: Looking for PDP-8 G603 "Memory Selector Matrix" boards (or dec T-2052 transformers)

2017-04-13 Thread Vincent Slyngstad via cctalk
I realize it's a long shot, but does anyone have: - Any spare T-2052s (or know of a source) - Any idea what the T-2052 *was* so I can try to replace them. I haven't found much detail as of yet. Good news on this front! I had previously obtained a data sheet for the T2037, a similar

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Brent Hilpert via cctalk
On 2017-Apr-13, at 1:24 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 04/13/2017 12:30 PM, Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote: >> From: allison Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 3:18 PM >> >>> BASIC, why is that the most universal language implemented on >>> nearly every micro and many other systems. >> >>

RE: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread geneb via cctalk
On Thu, 13 Apr 2017, geneb via cctalk wrote: On Thu, 13 Apr 2017, Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote: From: allison Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 3:18 PM BASIC, why is that the most universal language implemented on nearly every micro and many other systems. Because it was the language

RE: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread geneb via cctalk
On Thu, 13 Apr 2017, geneb via cctalk wrote: On Thu, 13 Apr 2017, Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote: From: allison Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 3:18 PM BASIC, why is that the most universal language implemented on nearly every micro and many other systems. Because it was the language

RE: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread geneb via cctalk
On Thu, 13 Apr 2017, Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote: From: allison Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 3:18 PM BASIC, why is that the most universal language implemented on nearly every micro and many other systems. Because it was the language offered on the GEIS timesharing system when a

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 04/13/2017 12:30 PM, Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote: > From: allison Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 3:18 PM > >> BASIC, why is that the most universal language implemented on >> nearly every micro and many other systems. > > Because it was the language offered on the GEIS timesharing system

RE: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Rich Alderson via cctalk
From: allison Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 3:18 PM > BASIC, why is that the most universal language implemented on nearly every > micro and many other systems. Because it was the language offered on the GEIS timesharing system when a private boys' school in Seattle decided to teach

Re: WTB: DEC Rainbow Expansion Memory

2017-04-13 Thread shadoooo via cctalk
Hello, I'm in the pretty same condition, I have a Rainbow 100B without memory expansion. Not sure however, about the correct board number, which would fit the 100B. What should I search for? Thanks Andrea

Re: WTB: BYT-8 Computer/Chassis

2017-04-13 Thread Doug Salot via cctalk
I have the version labeled "Olson 8080" with full front panel (toggles and blinkenlights!).Too cute to sell. :) On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Systems Glitch via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > Whats the big deal with that? Its no more significant than a Compupro > chassis or

Re: Micral - France

2017-04-13 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 04/13/2017 12:15 AM, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: >From earlest days: Here in France and saw a Micral…Now there’s a classic computer. Originated in 1973; 8008 :) :) Happy computing all! Murray :) I built an 8008 CPU quite some years ago. I had all of 256 bytes of memory on it,

Re: Soviet PDP-11/J11 Clones

2017-04-13 Thread Tomasz Rola via cctalk
On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 03:08:47PM +, Shoppa, Tim via cctalk wrote: > Terry Kennedy has recently put up some gorgeous pictures of PDP-11, > especially J11, Russian clone chips and Russian clone CPU boards at > > https://www.glaver.org/blog/?p=959 > > Great commentary, too! > > Tim N3QE

Soviet PDP-11/J11 Clones

2017-04-13 Thread Shoppa, Tim via cctalk
Terry Kennedy has recently put up some gorgeous pictures of PDP-11, especially J11, Russian clone chips and Russian clone CPU boards at https://www.glaver.org/blog/?p=959 Great commentary, too! Tim N3QE

Re: WTB: BYT-8 Computer/Chassis

2017-04-13 Thread Systems Glitch via cctalk
> Whats the big deal with that? Its no more significant than a Compupro > chassis or a Integrand box in the S100 realm. I just like the size and configuration. I've been looking for one for a while, it seems they were sort of common at one point. They were whitelabeled by Bell & Howell

Re: WTB: BYT-8 Computer/Chassis

2017-04-13 Thread william degnan via cctalk
Yes, I should be here both days. Just let me know / text/call when to be attentive to your arrival. Bill On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Parent Allison via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Systems Glitch via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >

Re: WTB: BYT-8 Computer/Chassis

2017-04-13 Thread Parent Allison via cctalk
On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Systems Glitch via cctalk wrote: > All, > > I'm on the virge of making a deal with vintagecomputermuseum on eBay over his > BYT-8 he's had up for years. It's still overpriced but I can probably sell > the boards out of it and make it a

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Diane Bruce via cctalk
I've always said a bad programmer can write bad code in any language. That said, language features that help a good programmer write better code go a long way. - Diane On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 08:04:22AM -0400, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > > From: Rod Smallwood > > > All computer

WTB: BYT-8 Computer/Chassis

2017-04-13 Thread Systems Glitch via cctalk
All, I'm on the virge of making a deal with vintagecomputermuseum on eBay over his BYT-8 he's had up for years. It's still overpriced but I can probably sell the boards out of it and make it a reasonable purchase. I already have a board set so really I just need the empty chassis. Before I

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Rod Smallwood > All computer computer languages are only as good or bad as the person > using them. True words. I'd rather work on a program written in assembly language, done by a _really good_ programmer, than a program written in _anything_, done by a bad one. (My classic

Re: LOD bands for MIT CADR

2017-04-13 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt via cctalk
http://www.unlambda.com/index.php?n=Main.Cadr I mean other LOD bands, for later versions.

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt via cctalk
It was thus said that the Great Alfred M. Szmidt via cctalk once stated: > >> From: Alfred M. Szmidt > >> No even the following program: >> int main (void) { return 0; } >> is guaranteed to work > >I'm missing something: why not?

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt via cctalk
It was thus said that the Great Alfred M. Szmidt once stated: >It was thus said that the Great Noel Chiappa via cctalk once stated: >> > From: Alfred M. Szmidt >> >> > No even the following program: >> > int main (void) { return 0; } >>

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-13 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 04/12/2017 03:17 PM, allison via cctalk wrote: > > What the heck its religion. So here's my stir... > > BASIC, why is that the most universal language implemented on nearly > every micro and many other systems. > > Seriously it is a suck language but it gets work done. No kidding. I'm