Re: APL and descendants - was Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-14 Thread Pete Lancashire via cctalk
Love to have my Selectric in a desk APL terminal again. -pete On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 2:02 PM, dwight via cctalk wrote: > To my knowledge, there is only one person that claims to > > have a cartridge for the APL on the VideoBrain. He considers it > > more valuable than

Re: TRS-80 curiosity

2017-04-14 Thread Camiel Vanderhoeven via cctalk
On 4/14/17, 4:36 PM, "cctalk on behalf of Bill Gunshannon via cctalk" wrote: > > >From: Camiel Vanderhoeven [camiel.vanderhoe...@vmssoftware.com] > > >Does it look like the cable in this

Harry Huskey, Bob Taylor -- sad news

2017-04-14 Thread Evan Koblentz via cctalk
Two computer industry pioneers died in the past week. Harry Huskey worked on ENIAC, the Pilot ACE, SWAC, and the Bendix G-15. He was also known for helping overseas universities start their CS programs. Harry was 101. Bob Taylor was an ARPAnet pioneer and Xerox PARC executive. He was 85.

Re: TRS-80 curiosity

2017-04-14 Thread Camiel Vanderhoeven via cctalk
On 4/14/17, 2:31 PM, "cctech on behalf of Bill Gunshannon via cctech" wrote: > >OK. I just opend the little plastic box. > >It isn't shown, but I assume the end of the cable is a female >edge connector. Your other end is a male

Re: Pass on (Was: APL and descendants - was Re: If C is so evil why

2017-04-14 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 04/14/2017 10:05 PM, dwight via cctalk wrote: > I have a tiny APL that was written for the 8080 someplace. Just curious, has anyone saved the MCM/70 APL code? --Chuck

Re: Pass on (Was: APL and descendants - was Re: If C is so evil why

2017-04-14 Thread dwight via cctalk
I have a tiny APL that was written for the 8080 someplace. It has input that use ASCII keyboard input instead of the funny characters. I played with it a little on my IMSAI. The fellow had hand written and assembled it by hand. Not something I'd ever like to do. I make to many simple

Re: Pass on (Was: APL and descendants - was Re: If C is so evil why

2017-04-14 Thread jim stephens via cctalk
On 4/14/2017 8:20 PM, william degnan via cctalk wrote: I've made a will, with a bunch of specific bequests. No will, but at this point, the wife knows who to call. Already trying to figure out how to get things into longer term collections if they will stay there, and not get ebay-ed

Re: Pass on (Was: APL and descendants - was Re: If C is so evil why

2017-04-14 Thread william degnan via cctalk
On Apr 14, 2017 11:04 PM, "Fred Cisin via cctalk" wrote: >>> >>> have a cartridge for the APL on the VideoBrain. He considers it >>> more valuable than gold and won't let anyone look at it or >>> dump its contents. > > On Fri, 14 Apr 2017, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote: >> >>

Pass on (Was: APL and descendants - was Re: If C is so evil why

2017-04-14 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
have a cartridge for the APL on the VideoBrain. He considers it more valuable than gold and won't let anyone look at it or dump its contents. On Fri, 14 Apr 2017, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote: I never understood this self-defeating attitude. What's supposed to happen when they pass on? Those

Re: APL and descendants - was Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-14 Thread Toby Thain via cctalk
On 2017-04-14 5:02 PM, dwight via cctalk wrote: To my knowledge, there is only one person that claims to have a cartridge for the APL on the VideoBrain. He considers it more valuable than gold and won't let anyone look at it or dump its contents. I never understood this self-defeating

Re: APL and descendants - was Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-14 Thread Ed via cctalk
At SMECC we have a very curious laptop with a little tape drive in it that seems to take small dictation size tapes. The little laptop has a rounded top to it. Mfr name on tip of tongue ... but ... It live in one of the Glass chasses .. wonder how scarce they are? only seen the

Re: TRS-80 curiosity

2017-04-14 Thread Scott Kevill via cctalk
On 15/04/2017, at 1:45 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > I had thought that both ends of the Screen printer cable would be 40 pin, > That's why I had speculated on Model 3. > But I never spent $599 for one. > (instead, I struggled with interfacing a DTC-300 HyType 1

Re: APL and descendants - was Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-14 Thread dwight via cctalk
To my knowledge, there is only one person that claims to have a cartridge for the APL on the VideoBrain. He considers it more valuable than gold and won't let anyone look at it or dump its contents. Such code running on a VideoBrain would surely warrant the /S label for "Small". Without some

DEC Alphaserver 1000 4/266

2017-04-14 Thread aswood--- via cctalk
Hello all, I'm looking for a DEC Alphaserver 1000 4/266 CPU board. Andreas

RE: TRS-80 curiosity

2017-04-14 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 14 Apr 2017, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: Well, I don'c consider something passive (having only inert parts) to be similar to a device with active parts, but that's just my opinion. :-) dissimilar designs can be done for functionally compatible systems. Mine is 40 pin to 50

RE: TRS-80 curiosity

2017-04-14 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
From: cctalk [cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] on behalf of Fred Cisin via cctalk [cctalk@classiccmp.org] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:54 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: TRS-80 curiosity On Fri, 14 Apr 2017, Bill

RE: TRS-80 curiosity

2017-04-14 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
From: Peter Cetinski [p...@pski.net] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:46 AM To: Bill Gunshannon; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: TRS-80 curiosity On Apr 14, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk

Re: TRS-80 curiosity

2017-04-14 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 14 Apr 2017, Peter Cetinski wrote: Lot’s of 3rd party devices that connected to the bus appeared soon thereafter. A few interesting ones I have other than the Voice Synthesizer and the Vox Box Those were sold under the Radio Shack name. There were also some similar and better ones

Re: TRS-80 curiosity

2017-04-14 Thread Peter Cetinski via cctalk
> On Apr 14, 2017, at 11:15 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Apr 2017, Peter Cetinski via cctalk wrote: >> The EI expansion port was originally called the Screen Printer port because >> that was the only accessory that connected directly to the TRS-80

Re: APL and descendants - was Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-14 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 04/14/2017 08:09 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > For that matter, APL itself also still exists, the OpenAPL open > source implementation for example. Works nicely. ...but reduced to a marginal language. I wonder if there's any JOVIAL still in use... --Chuck

Re: TRS-80 curiosity

2017-04-14 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 14 Apr 2017, Peter Cetinski via cctalk wrote: The EI expansion port was originally called the Screen Printer port because that was the only accessory that connected directly to the TRS-80 bus. Originally. Later, the Voice Output device (repackaged Votrax?) used the bus connector.

Re: APL and descendants - was Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-14 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Apr 13, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Toby Thain via cctalk > wrote: > > On 2017-04-13 6:54 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: >> ... >> ...or that Iverson language, APL, present on the 5100 and what was >> probably one of the the first microcomputers, the MCM/70. >> >> So,

Re: TRS-80 curiosity

2017-04-14 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 14 Apr 2017, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: The PC board shows two resistors and two transistors. Mine has four resistors and two disk capacitors. Obviously not even similar. Possibly very similar, Have you counted the pin numbers to determine which traces the parts are connected

Re: TRS-80 curiosity

2017-04-14 Thread Peter Cetinski via cctalk
> On Apr 14, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk > wrote > > Sorry, I didn't see any cable in that item. Just an extremely overpriced > printer. > > Or should I say firestarter? > > bill > Here's the pic of the cable http://imgur.com/UhvJ2Ed

RE: TRS-80 curiosity

2017-04-14 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
From: Camiel Vanderhoeven [camiel.vanderhoe...@vmssoftware.com] Does it look like the cable in this eBay listing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Radio-Shack-TRS-80-Screen-Printer-26-1151-w-Sealed- Paper-Manual-EXTREMELY-RARE-/201867426619?

Re: TRS-80 curiosity

2017-04-14 Thread Peter Cetinski via cctalk
On Apr 14, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Kelly Leavitt via cctalk wrote: > >> On another note, the box is labeled "To EI Screen Printer Port". >> Not sure what that means as the EI has a "Line Printer Card Edge" >> and not something specific to the Screen Printer. > > Well, that

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-14 Thread John Wilson via cctalk
On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 08:05:39AM -0500, Eric Christopherson via cctalk wrote: >> That does look like a TTY session. But the use of "hacer" (infinitive) >> for "DO" is puzzling. I would have made it the imperitive "haga". > >The usted form, eh? I would have thought computers would warrant

RE: TRS-80 curiosity

2017-04-14 Thread Kelly Leavitt via cctalk
-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Bill Gunshannon via cctalk Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 8:32 AM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: TRS-80 curiosity > On 4/13/2017 9:07 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: >>> Model I Hard Disk Adapter

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

2017-04-14 Thread Eric Christopherson via cctalk
On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 04/13/2017 09:05 PM, Don North wrote: > > > I especially liked the Spanish language version of IITRAN: > > http://www.ak6dn.com/stuff/spantran.pdf > > > That does look like a TTY session. But the use

Re: TRS-80 curiosity

2017-04-14 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 4/13/2017 9:07 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: >>> Model I Hard Disk Adapter (40 to 50 pin): >>> http://prof-80.fr/interface-hd-modele-1-n-26-1132 > On Fri, 14 Apr 2017, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: >> Nope, it's none of those. > > Can you describe in what ways it differs? OK. I just