Re: paper tape archiving

If the origin is unknown, just keep them as binary. My Nicolet is 20 bit with binary data having the MSB 0 and the third 8 bits only 6 bits of data. It is not something that makes sense to change the format. It is only worth looking for obvious ASCII or such. Dwight _

Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 70, Issue 28

Once you've put your soul at ease regarding use of pakgen, and found a copy, and built it (it is a C program), you might find the following repository streamlines the process of application. https://github.com/athornton/yarr

Re: paper tape archiving

Paul said > On Jul 29, 2020, at 6:52 PM, Eric Moore wrote: > A couple notes: > 1) My reader when set to lower baud rates physically stops and starts the > reader. This jerks the tape and causes vibrations that can be severe at some > speeds. Some readers do this at all speeds. For example, any

Re: Comp.lang.forth: banned on google groups?

Yup. It's a conundrum. Companies serving the text of a forum have a strong financial incentive to respond to take downs quickly. All it takes for someone to DOS a forum is to post the right things. Moderating every post makes you a publisher, which adds obligations that individuals don't usually li

Re: paper tape archiving

Correct, the DSI NC2400 can be set up for different levels. It does require a mechanical changeout for the punch, I think it's just a guide swap on the reader. It's stepper feed but if you set it up for 2400 bps (default) and let it run, tape motion is smooth and continuous. HP 2100 series optical

Re: paper tape archiving

Absolutely would be good to have. I would prefer a slow smooth pull through the reader than slow and jerky or fast and smooth which are my current options. There are some kit paper tape readers out there that just need a pinch roller added to be ideal. On 5, 6, and 7 bit tape, I believe the DSI N

Re: OpenVMS Community License

> On Jul 29, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk > wrote: > > How much of the IP does DEC need to own (the license is unclear on this > point)? Unless they conveyed the Copyrights to Supnik in writing (which is > possible), I would assume that's the case, given the notices that appear i

Re: paper tape archiving

> On Jul 29, 2020, at 6:52 PM, Eric Moore wrote: > > ... > A couple notes: > > 1) My reader when set to lower baud rates physically stops and starts the > reader. This jerks the tape and causes vibrations that can be severe at some > speeds. Some readers do this at all speeds. For example

Re: Comp.lang.forth: banned on google groups?

That is absolutely in keeping with the flame nature of the group. Sigh... Kindest regards, Doug Jackson em: d...@doughq.com ph: 0414 986878 Check out my awesome clocks at www.dougswordclocks.com Follow my amateur radio adventures at vk1zdj.net -

Re: Comp.lang.forth: banned on google groups?

People are working on restoring comp.lang.forth and comp.lang.lisp >From what I can gather, this was because of numerous defamation complaints. https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&term=%22comp.lang.lisp%22 On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 6:55 PM Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: > Al

Re: OpenVMS Community License

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 3:00 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 7/29/20 4:22 PM, Bob Smith wrote: > > I am not sure I understand your "as it turns out there was only one" > Bill. > > Am I correct in assuming you are talking about DEC owned, and meaning > > that Bob

OS-9/68k Control Coprocessor module

I came across an Allen-Bradley 1771-DMC4 Control Coprocessor. If you are familiar with AB PLC's, it is a 1771-IO chassis module that could be a "sidecar" for a PLC5 PLC or a standalone module. It runs some version of OS-9/68k on a 68340 processor. It has 4MB static ram and a 10MB ethernet AUI conn

RE: Comp.lang.forth: banned on google groups?

Al, I would say "mostly". There are still corners that have not totally succumbed. comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware has the odd interesting posts, as does the open VMS group Dave > -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Al Kossow via > cctalk > Sent: 29 July 2020 21:21 > To: cctalk@

Re: paper tape archiving

That is all solid advice. Here is a pic of my setup (I stopped running it through the old reader as bypassing it turned out to work fine) https://i.imgur.com/26pfKhv.jpg Most of my focus is on ensuring there is no damage to the tape when it is read. You can see the paper tape catch (hopper) to t

Re: Morrow MD3 terminal emulation.

Morrow MD systems bundles were often sold with a rebadged LSI ADM-20 terminal. http://bitsavers.org/pdf/morrow/terminal/MDT20_ADM-20/MDT20_RefMan_Jan83.pdf However, you could use other terminals, as mentioned. --Chuck On 7/29/20 3:10 PM, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jul 2020,

Re: Morrow MD3 terminal emulation.

On Wed, 29 Jul 2020, Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk wrote: I've got a Morrow Microdecision 3 on the bench and gather it often shipped with the MD-60 terminal, but for the life of me I can't find what emulation that terminal uses. Lacking the native terminal, what emulation should I be using?

Re: paper tape archiving

On 7/29/20 2:14 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: I am wondering if there any persons who have a systematic process they'd like to share for this kind of work. Find a program that will display and capture binary data on the platform, operating system and reader of your choice. Surprisingly,

paper tape archiving

Hi all. I was wondering if there are any good online resources on reading for the purpose of archiving 8-bit papertapes of unknown origin. I have been reading tapes as text and also as binary, 8/n/1 thinking that's going to capture everything. I load into a hex editor, and if necessary convert to

Re: paper tape archiving

> On Jul 29, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Bill Degnan via cctech > wrote: > > Hi all. > I was wondering if there are any good online resources on reading for the > purpose of archiving 8-bit papertapes of unknown origin. I have been > reading tapes as text and also as binary, 8/n/1 thinking that's goin

Re: Comp.lang.forth: banned on google groups?

Comp.lang.forth taught me that flame wars were fun and all I needed to enjoy them was popcorn. It also showed me how every person writing their own version of a language and the associated flame wars actually damaged the the community. I suspect much of Forths lack of traction can be attributed t

Re: OpenVMS Community License

On 7/29/20 4:22 PM, Bob Smith wrote: I am not sure I understand your "as it turns out there was only one" Bill. Am I correct in assuming you are talking about DEC owned, and meaning that Bob Supnik one? John Wilson's Ersatz 11, aka E11, was and is a great functioning emulator, but not owned by D

Re: Comp.lang.forth: banned on google groups?

P.S. I just downloaded (from the internet archive) and looked at the comp.lang.forth archives and they seem to cover 2003 through 2014. On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 1:42 PM Joseph S. Barrera III wrote: > Right now it's (temporarily?) hidden, not deleted. Hopefully it will be > restored. (I used to b

Re: Comp.lang.forth: banned on google groups?

Right now it's (temporarily?) hidden, not deleted. Hopefully it will be restored. (I used to be a member of the Google Groups project.) Banned groups aren't deleted for some number of weeks in case the ban was a mistake. There are also some backups at https://archive.org/download/usenet-comp.lang

Re: OpenVMS Community License

I am not sure I understand your "as it turns out there was only one" Bill. Am I correct in assuming you are talking about DEC owned, and meaning that Bob Supnik one? John Wilson's Ersatz 11, aka E11, was and is a great functioning emulator, but not owned by DEC. Not arguing, just making sure I un

Re: Comp.lang.forth: banned on google groups?

I wonder if it's time to set up some NNTP mirrors Usenet is a rotting corpse now. The right time to do this was decades ago now.

Comp.lang.forth: banned on google groups?

I was looking for an old post on comp.lang.forth, and was surprised to discover that the group doesn't appear to be hosted on google groups any more.  Searching the group pulls up a "banned group" message, and selecting the "continue to the group" button shows 0 messages in the group.  This appe

Morrow MD3 terminal emulation.

I've got a Morrow Microdecision 3 on the bench and gather it often shipped with the MD-60 terminal, but for the life of me I can't find what emulation that terminal uses. Lacking the native terminal, what emulation should I be using? Thanks! Jeff

Re: MS-DOS 2.11 Assign.com

On Wed, 29 Jul 2020, Robert Feldman via cctalk wrote: I already have the Otrona MS-DOS 2.11 disks from Don Maslin's archive, but (as I forgot to mention), I do not have a modern computer with a 360KB floppy drive. I have an old Dell Precision T3400, but its BIOS will only allow 1.2MB 5.25 flopp

TRS-80 models (Was: TRS 80 Model 12 Picked up

On Wed, 29 Jul 2020, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: There are several TRS-80 sites and groups around. YOu might check those for parts and support. Here is one that looks promising. They appear to have disks available for some models. If they don't have what you need perhaps they can point yo

Re: MS-DOS 2.11 Assign.com

>Message: 32 >Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 09:35:05 -0400 >From: Bill Degnan > >Robert, > >It might very well be that the ROMs are fixed to their drive assignment on >the Attache. That's why assign.com is not present. You can check this >version: >https://vetusware.com/download/MS-DOS%202.11%20for%20O

Re: OpenVMS Community License

On 7/29/20 2:01 PM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: On 29/07/2020 15:21, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: It also only covered SIMH until Bob Supnik left DEC. "MENTEC grants to CUSTOMER a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license under MENTEC's INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS to use and c

Re: OpenVMS Community License

On 29/07/2020 15:29, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: As pointed out by a note "provided by Stuart Brook of Mentec" that can be found on the Dbit web site there was work being done by Mentec in late 1999 on a potential Hobbyist License for the Software they somewhat controlled.  At that time th

Re: OpenVMS Community License

On 29/07/2020 15:21, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: It also only covered SIMH until Bob Supnik left DEC. "MENTEC grants to CUSTOMER a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license under MENTEC's INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS to use and copy the SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY solely for personal, non-co

Re: OpenVMS Community License

On 7/29/20 10:27 AM, Andrew Back via cctalk wrote: On 29/07/2020 15:21, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 7/29/20 10:07 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: On 29/07/2020 14:19, Paul Koning wrote: On Jul 29, 2020, at 4:28 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: ... For those of you with

Re: OpenVMS Community License

On 29/07/2020 15:21, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > On 7/29/20 10:07 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: >> On 29/07/2020 14:19, Paul Koning wrote: >>> On Jul 29, 2020, at 4:28 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: ... For those of you with hobbyist licence PAKs, I

Re: OpenVMS Community License

On 7/29/20 10:37 AM, geneb via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2020, Michael Kerpan via cctalk wrote: or some simulation thereof. If they DID decide that they cared, they'd be within their right to go nuclear, but the odds of that happening are exceedingly low. The bad PR they'd attract by runn

Re: OpenVMS Community License

The current rights holders of VMS seem to be going in the right direction with Hobby freebies and reasonable friendly access to the OS..I guess they had Better curate the local VMS gurus as there are not a lot of them left on the planet. :) openVMS forever.. can’t wait for a dell cluster

Re: OpenVMS Community License

On Wed, 29 Jul 2020, Michael Kerpan via cctalk wrote: or some simulation thereof. If they DID decide that they cared, they'd be within their right to go nuclear, but the odds of that happening are exceedingly low. The bad PR they'd attract by running down a bunch of poor hobbyists wouldn't b

Re: OpenVMS Community License

In practical terms, I suspect that running VMS on a VAX (real or emulated) will end up a lot like running DEC's PDP-11 software. Not technically legal, but also not a practical problem, because the people who own the rights simply don't care and aren't going to waste their time and resources huntin

Re: OpenVMS Community License

On 7/29/20 10:13 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: On 29/07/2020 14:29, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: This supposed Mentec Hobbyist License has been obsolete and invalid for decades.  It never covered use on real PDP-11 hardware.  It was only valid for one particular emulator which ceas

Re: OpenVMS Community License

On 7/29/20 10:07 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: On 29/07/2020 14:19, Paul Koning wrote: On Jul 29, 2020, at 4:28 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: ... For those of you with hobbyist licence PAKs, I presume that pakgen.c will work on all versions that VSI doesn't support. I know

Re: OpenVMS Community License

On 29/07/2020 14:29, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: This supposed Mentec Hobbyist License has been obsolete and invalid for decades.  It never covered use on real PDP-11 hardware.  It was only valid for one particular emulator which ceased to exist the day Bob Supnik left DEC.  I I think t

Re: OpenVMS Community License

On 29/07/2020 14:19, Paul Koning wrote: On Jul 29, 2020, at 4:28 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: ... For those of you with hobbyist licence PAKs, I presume that pakgen.c will work on all versions that VSI doesn't support. I know it's frowned on but it's not really different to runnin

Re: MS-DOS 2.11 Assign.com

Robert, It might very well be that the ROMs are fixed to their drive assignment on the Attache. That's why assign.com is not present. You can check this version: https://vetusware.com/download/MS-DOS%202.11%20for%20Otrona%20Attache%202.11/?id=10494 ...to see if you're copy is missing assign.com

Re: OpenVMS Community License

On 7/29/20 9:19 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Jul 29, 2020, at 4:28 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: ... For those of you with hobbyist licence PAKs, I presume that pakgen.c will work on all versions that VSI doesn't support. I know it's frowned on but it's not really differen

Re: OpenVMS Community License

> On Jul 29, 2020, at 4:28 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk > wrote: > > ... > For those of you with hobbyist licence PAKs, I presume that pakgen.c will > work on all versions that VSI doesn't support. I know it's frowned on but > it's not really different to running PDP-11 software is it (as

Re: TRS 80 Model 12 Picked up

For Model 12 software checkout https://pski.net/trs-80-model-ii-archive-project/ Regarding the size of the M12, it’s ironic that if you look inside it's a lot of empty space for what it does. It’s meant to be upgradeable to Model 16B specs w

Re: OpenVMS Community License

On 28/07/2020 19:11, Camiel Vanderhoeven via cctalk wrote: >> On Jul 28, 2020, at 7:47 PM, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk >> wrote: >> The question that will be answered when someone gets the VSI CLP PAKs is >> will those PAKS work on an older version of OpenVMS? The Hobbyist PAKs >> produced by

Re: TRS 80 Model 12 Picked up

> On July 28, 2020 at 11:00 PM devin davison via cctech > wrote: > > I am not familiar with this model, it has 2, 8 inch floppy drives on > thefront. I am curious about the format of the disks, would it be possible > touse another computer with an 8 inch drive to make a floppy to start > them

Re: Any interest in "newer" hardware, software?

RE iomec drive and  controller- SMECC  has manuals  for  this subsystem and  diags  and drivers for  it.Wen things get back  to normal we will be able to accesses themshould you need any info. We are also looking   for   a 2114!  and  a 2115!   We have the 2116 (drop us a line offlist) Ed#   SME

RE: OpenVMS Community License

> > Do the existing Alpha PAKs work on VSI's latest release? If a VSI release > recognises a PAK with PRODUCER=DEC then presumably that would be a > problem? Although since VSI are covering that same area with hobbyist > licences then that's really a non-issue. I suspect that HPe have other fish t

Re: OpenVMS Community License

On 29/07/2020 03:05, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote: That's pretty much what I expected.  This also means that anyone wanting to run OpenVMS AXP V1.x, 6.x, 7.x and 8.3 or 8.4 is dead in the water after Dec 31st 2020.  Not sure why you would want to, but I'd wager there is always someone t