Re: The best hard drives??

2020-11-18 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 6:24 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 11/18/20 8:16 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 6:00 PM Paul Koning via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >>> On Nov 18, 2020, at 5:56 PM, Chuck

Re: The best hard drives??

2020-11-18 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 11/18/20 8:16 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 6:00 PM Paul Koning via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: On Nov 18, 2020, at 5:56 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: Tangential to this, I've long wondered about some things relating

Re: The best hard drives??

2020-11-18 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 6:00 PM Paul Koning via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > On Nov 18, 2020, at 5:56 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > Tangential to this, I've long wondered about some things relating to > > SSDs. Are there any solid figures

Re: The best hard drives??

2020-11-18 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Nov 18, 2020, at 5:56 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > Tangential to this, I've long wondered about some things relating to > SSDs. Are there any solid figures on their retention period after years > of being unpowered? > > The reason I ask is that I've long been in the habit

Re: The best hard drives??

2020-11-18 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 11/18/20 4:45 PM, mazzi...@tin.it wrote: > https://www.elinfor.com/article/E/l/Electron%20and%20temperature%20diagram.jpg > > In theory. > In any case it would not be wise to keep an ssd unpowered for various years. Yech. So in, say, 5 years, you can call it "toast"? --Chuck

RE: The best hard drives??

2020-11-18 Thread mazzinia--- via cctalk
https://www.elinfor.com/article/E/l/Electron%20and%20temperature%20diagram.jpg In theory. In any case it would not be wise to keep an ssd unpowered for various years. -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Chuck Guzis via cctalk Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 11:57 PM To:

Re: Crypto Ancienne: TLS for the Internet of Old Things

2020-11-18 Thread Chris Hanson via cctalk
On Nov 18, 2020, at 4:16 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: >> Another option for these systems is mbedTLS, originally by ARM. It only >> requires C89, > > I looked at mbedTLS (formerly PolarSSL) before I even embarked on it based > on other recommendations, but it claims to require c99: Oh,

Re: Crypto Ancienne: TLS for the Internet of Old Things

2020-11-18 Thread Cameron Kaiser via cctalk
> > If you have an older pre-C99 system, I've backported a TLS 1.2 library to > > gcc versions as early as 2.5 as long as it has 64-bit ints (long long, > > usually) and stdarg.h. > > > > https://github.com/classilla/cryanc > > Great work, Cameron! Thanks! > Another option for these systems is

Re: Crypto Ancienne: TLS for the Internet of Old Things

2020-11-18 Thread Chris Hanson via cctalk
On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: > > If you have an older pre-C99 system, I've backported a TLS 1.2 library to gcc > versions as early as 2.5 as long as it has 64-bit ints (long long, usually) > and stdarg.h. > > https://github.com/classilla/cryanc Great work,

Re: The best hard drives??

2020-11-18 Thread Richard Pope via cctalk
Chuck, I am concerned about SSDs because thy can only be written to a limited number of times. Spinning platters have unlimited write cycles barring a hardware or electronics failure. GOD Bless and Thanks, rich! On 11/18/2020 4:56 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: Tangential to this,

Re: The best hard drives??

2020-11-18 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
Tangential to this, I've long wondered about some things relating to SSDs. Are there any solid figures on their retention period after years of being unpowered? The reason I ask is that I've long been in the habit of simply shelving an old hard drive when I upgrade or replace a system. I've got

Re: The best hard drives?? (joke)

2020-11-18 Thread ben via cctalk
On 11/17/2020 7:09 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 11/17/20 8:53 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Most "Merikens" just let the bank do the conversion when they buy from overseas. On 11/17/20 8:03 PM, Liam Proven wrote: Argh! I was not posting to the list that I thought I was. I

Re: The best hard drives??

2020-11-18 Thread Steven M Jones via cctalk
On 11/16/20 7:27 PM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:     In the opinions of you experts out there considering reliability being number one on the list with speed be number two on the list what would you folks consider to be the best SATA drives on the market? Not an expert, but I'm as

Re: The best hard drives??

2020-11-18 Thread Richard Pope via cctalk
Paul, You are entirely correct when it comes to temperature. Even ten or 20 degrees F can severely shorten the life of a HDD. It looks like I will be getting HGST drives even though I have had some difficulties with them. GOD Bless and Thanks, rich! I don't have much to offer; my

Re: The best hard drives??

2020-11-18 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Nov 18, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Nov 2020, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk wrote: Do you think that we can get back to the original question?? >>> Knowing this list, that won't happen. >> >> HGST! > > I apologize to Al for S/N ratio. > > I

Re: The best hard drives??

2020-11-18 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk wrote:     Do you think that we can get back to the original question?? Knowing this list, that won't happen. HGST! I apologize to Al for S/N ratio. I honestly have little or nothing to offer, but appreciate reading it - lately I have had

Re: The best hard drives??

2020-11-18 Thread Ethan O'Toole via cctalk
    Do you think that we can get back to the original question?? Knowing this list, that won't happen. HGST! -- : Ethan O'Toole

Re: The best hard drives??

2020-11-18 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 11/18/20 8:57 AM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:     Do you think that we can get back to the original question?? Knowing this list, that won't happen.

Regional accents and dialects (Was: The best hard drives??

2020-11-18 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Most of us "merkens" haven't truly mastered one language. On Wed, 18 Nov 2020, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: I was very surprised to discover a couple of years ago that many in the USA pronounce "squirrel" as "skwerl". My surprise was subsequently pushed to its limits when I discovered that

Re: The best hard drives??

2020-11-18 Thread Richard Pope via cctalk
Hello all, Do you think that we can get back to the original question?? GOD Bless and Thanks, rich! On 11/18/2020 10:49 AM, Todd Goodman via cctalk wrote: At least you didn't call us all "Merkins"... On 11/17/2020 8:03 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 at 15:36, Bill

Re: The best hard drives??

2020-11-18 Thread Diane Bruce via cctalk
On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 11:49:44AM -0500, Todd Goodman via cctalk wrote: > At least you didn't call us all "Merkins"... I've done that and yes before you ask I know what it means. *whistles innocently* _ - d...@freebsd.org d...@db.net http://www.db.net/~db

Re: The best hard drives??

2020-11-18 Thread Todd Goodman via cctalk
At least you didn't call us all "Merkins"... On 11/17/2020 8:03 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 at 15:36, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: Most "Merikens" just let the bank do the conversion when they buy from overseas. Argh! I was not posting to the list that I

Re: The best hard drives??

2020-11-18 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 at 17:15, Diane Bruce wrote: > > My expat FIL was from Lancs. Good part is I learned how to make a decent pot > of tea. The bad is, I couldn't understand him half the time. Being from Lancashire myself, I can't see the problem, but the rest of the UK regards us as

Re: The best hard drives??

2020-11-18 Thread Diane Bruce via cctalk
On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 01:02:39PM +0100, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 at 02:53, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > > > Most of us "merkens" haven't truly mastered one language. ... > "balm" and "psalm" is _no longer_ silent and is actively pronounced in > some regions of

Re: The best hard drives??

2020-11-18 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 at 04:21, Tapley, Mark B. via cctalk wrote: > > On Nov 17, 2020, at 7:03 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk > mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: > > Argh! I was not posting to the list that I thought I was. I apologise > for using that nickname. :-( > > Liam, …. does it actually

Re: The best hard drives??

2020-11-18 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 at 02:53, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > Most of us "merkens" haven't truly mastered one language. I was very surprised to discover a couple of years ago that many in the USA pronounce "squirrel" as "skwerl". My surprise was subsequently pushed to its limits when I