Re: Is The M9312 Boot Module Essential?

2022-02-19 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 4:40 PM Fritz Mueller via cctalk wrote: > > On Feb 19, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Fritz Mueller wrote: > A few additional details, in case it is helpful: > > IIRC, the 11/34 doesn’t have SACK timeout implemented in the CPU cards (the > /34A did add this, however.) So without an

Re: Is The M9312 Boot Module Essential?

2022-02-19 Thread Fritz Mueller via cctalk
> On Feb 19, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk > wrote: > The -11/34 (not the /34A) has something unusual for grant timeouts, but I > forget the details. I'll look it up. > On Feb 19, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Fritz Mueller wrote: > I just did an 11/34 restoration last year, so this is fresh

Re: Is The M9312 Boot Module Essential?

2022-02-19 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Here is how I used mine on a PDP 11/05. Literally right now. 1. Boot up the system and use the front panel to load 165020(8) 2. Run from this address 3. My system is set to communicate with a Teletype, so it comes to life and prints the status of the CPU registers to the teletype 4. I type in

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Re: Is The M9312 Boot Module Essential?

2022-02-19 Thread Fritz Mueller via cctalk
> On Feb 19, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk > wrote: > The -11/34 (not the /34A) has something unusual for grant timeouts, but I > forget the details. I'll look it up. I just did an 11/34 restoration last year, so this is fresh in mind — I think you are thinking of the M9302,

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2022-02-19 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Feb 19, 2022, at 1:28 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk > wrote: > > On 2/18/22 21:43, ben via cctalk wrote: >> >> The 70's was all low scale tech. I suspect it was the high speed/edge rates >> more the power that kept ECL from common use. Any other views on this topic. >> Ben, who only had

Re: Is The M9312 Boot Module Essential?

2022-02-19 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Jay Jaeger > SACK turnaround capability so that the machine doesn't hang accessing > an address that doesn't respond on the UNIBUS. Umm, I think you're mixing up i) grant timeouts and ii) master-slave timeouts. All PDP-11 CPUs have master-slave timeout handling; after a

Re: VAX9000 unearthed

2022-02-19 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 2/18/22 21:43, ben via cctalk wrote: The 70's was all low scale tech. I suspect it was the high speed/edge rates more the power that kept ECL from common use. Any other views on this topic. Ben, who only had access to RADIO SHACK in the 70's. PS: Still grumbling about buying life time

Re: Is The M9312 Boot Module Essential?

2022-02-19 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Speaking of which, what does the console rom "DO"? Is it like the interactive boot from a pdp11/23+ or better where you can type in the device name, run little memory diagnostics and such? I recall that with the real boot chips on a unibus 11/34 you could just jump to the location of the ROM

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2022-02-19 Thread Douglas Taylor via cctalk
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Re: Is The M9312 Boot Module Essential?

2022-02-19 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
The bit I am confused about is that I got a console prompt with just the CPU (M7133) and Unibus Map Module (M7134) installed. Presumably I could type in a bootstrap program from there? Sure, that's just normal ODT if I recall. On my 5.25 inch 11/24 I have the CPU, MMU, a 1mb memory card,

Re: Is The M9312 Boot Module Essential?

2022-02-19 Thread Jay Jaeger via cctalk
My 11/24 does *not* have an M9312. My UNIBUS out from the processor backplane goes to an RK611, and then to a VT11. I have an M9301 at the end, in the VT11 UNIBUS OUT slot. I didn't pull the map card, but I am 99.% sure that my boot ROMs (RL11, RK611) are on my UNIBUS map card. The

KK11-A cache for -11/34A on eBait

2022-02-19 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
Anyone want a KK11-A: https://www.ebay.com/itm/275173894774 US$200 sounds like a lot, I know, but KK11-A'S and FP11-A's are going for that much; an FP11-A just went for US$250. And KK11-A's are rare; this is he first one in a while. Noel

Re: Is The M9312 Boot Module Essential?

2022-02-19 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Rob Jarratt > I suspect some of the other cards that were in the machine might do the > necessary termination stuff. Different answers for each part of the functionality. 1A and 1C fundamentally have be at the end of the bus, physically. So, unlikely; since _other_ cards

RE: Is The M9312 Boot Module Essential?

2022-02-19 Thread Rob Jarratt via cctalk
I saw this reply later than the previous one. It confirms that I don't *need* it for booting, but it would be useful. I suspect some of the other cards that were in the machine might do the necessary termination stuff. Thanks Rob > -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Noel

RE: Is The M9312 Boot Module Essential?

2022-02-19 Thread Rob Jarratt via cctalk
I am in the UK (Manchester). I suspect there are some people I know who would be able to lend me one. The bit I am confused about is that I got a console prompt with just the CPU (M7133) and Unibus Map Module (M7134) installed. Presumably I could type in a bootstrap program from there?

Re: Is The M9312 Boot Module Essential?

2022-02-19 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Rob Jarratt > is the M9312 essential to ever get this machine to boot up an operating > system? Interesting question. I don't have my -11/24 running yet, so this reply is theoretical, not tried in practice (and as we all know, the difference between theory and practice is

Re: Is The M9312 Boot Module Essential?

2022-02-19 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
You need some way to initialize the system to the peripheral that contains the.OS media. The m9312 is a general purpose co ntroller for that purpose. There are roms that install on the 9312 for almost any drive hardware. When you get a system that comes with an M9312, it will have the