Identifying an 1802 system

2022-05-15 Thread John Ball via cctalk
I just received a machine that someone found at a Vancouver second hand store that I basically told them to buy on the single fact I don't own any COSMAC machines and I've now had a chance to take it apart and photograph the boards. It seems to be some sort of a kit system that the previous owner

PDP-8 Memory

2022-05-15 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
I have recently acquired a PDP-8/A to go with my PDP-8/E. Unfortunately it came with the industrial front panel and not the programmers panel. Does any one have an extra PDP-8/A programmers panel they can spare? Also, does any one have any PDP-8/A memory they can spare (or any Omnibus

Re: Replacement for a DEC 7474 Chip

2022-05-15 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
I specifically said 74x74. Early TTL flipflops were very crude by comparison. On Sun, May 15, 2022, 13:03 Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote: > On 2022-May-15, at 1:16 AM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: > > On Sat, May 14, 2022, 16:09 ben via cctalk > wrote: > >> On 2022-05-14 11:50 a.m., Nigel

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2022-05-15 Thread Dennis Boone via cctalk
> You may also want to look at the timing the list software uses for > deciding when to notify people they've had excessive bounces; I got > this on April *24*, fully two weeks after I stopped getting messages; > a similar thing happened on March 21, but that one was only one week > late:

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2022-05-15 Thread Eric Christopherson via cctalk
On Wed, May 11, 2022, 4:06 PM Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Jay, > Thanks for that, I hope its fixed, > Dave > G4UGM > > > -Original Message- > > From: cctalk On Behalf Of jwest--- via > > cctalk > > Sent: 11 May 2022 13:18 > > To: 'Tom Hunter' ; 'Adrian

Re: Replacement for a DEC 7474 Chip

2022-05-15 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On May 15, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Chris Quayle via cctech > wrote: > > ... > Original 74 series TTL can still be found, Ebay often, new old stock > and other surplus vendors. > > Would need to take care replacing with later ttl series, as the gate > delay, switching times and fanout probably

Re: Replacement for a DEC 7474 Chip

2022-05-15 Thread Brent Hilpert via cctalk
On 2022-May-15, at 1:16 AM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: > On Sat, May 14, 2022, 16:09 ben via cctalk wrote: >> On 2022-05-14 11:50 a.m., Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk wrote: >>> AFAIR LS can only drive one unit TTL load. paul >> LS is 4 TTL, 4 ma low. >> Was there a trick of forcing the

Re: Replacement for a DEC 7474 Chip

2022-05-15 Thread Chris Quayle via cctalk
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RE: Replacement for a DEC 7474 Chip

2022-05-15 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
What ever you do, don't use a Fairchild part. When I worked for Intel in the 80's, we finally band using Fairchild for any latching device. They failed on pullup current, even when the parts were sent back and they claimed they were good. We just gave up on them, we couldn't hold production

RE: Replacement for a DEC 7474 Chip

2022-05-15 Thread Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk
Folks, I probably have some, and now I have found my ICL House Codes sheet I may even be able to identify them. However I won't be in the same country as my stock for a couple of weeks. ... and they are in the UK so getting them stateside may take some time. Dave G4UGM > -Original

Re: Replacement for a DEC 7474 Chip

2022-05-15 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/15/22 01:16, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: > I don't think that worked on any TTL (or CMOS) 74x74 flip flops, except > maybe by accident if you shorted the output enough to draw Vcc down (or > ground up) enough to disrupt the FF, and then you have other problems. Checking my old Moto

Re: Replacement for a DEC 7474 Chip

2022-05-15 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/14/22 23:04, ben via cctalk wrote: > Faster is not better, bigger is bett... ops wrong topic. > > 74H while slower, and 74S tend to have reliable delay times looking at > gates with min to max delays < 3 ns. This helped devices to track > the same speed across a system. > A 74ABT00 is 1 to

Re: Replacement for a DEC 7474 Chip

2022-05-15 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Sat, May 14, 2022, 16:09 ben via cctalk wrote: > On 2022-05-14 11:50 a.m., Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk wrote: > > AFAIR LS can only drive one unit TTL load. > >> paul > LS is 4 TTL, 4 ma low. > Was there a trick of forcing the output of D flip flip > to clear it? I was wondering if this

Re: Replacement for a DEC 7474 Chip

2022-05-15 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
Those should be fine. Only the more complex parts had issues, not the simple gates. On Sun, May 15, 2022, 02:04 Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote: > Oh dear, while I was ordering an original 7474 I ordered some other parts > that were connected to the same bad chip in case other chips are damaged, >

RE: Replacement for a DEC 7474 Chip

2022-05-15 Thread Rob Jarratt via cctalk
Oh dear, while I was ordering an original 7474 I ordered some other parts that were connected to the same bad chip in case other chips are damaged, and I ordered a Fairchild 74LS08! I will ask them to change it for a Motorola part they also have. > -Original Message- > From: cctalk On

Re: Replacement for a DEC 7474 Chip

2022-05-15 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
I'll have to check when I get back from Norway but I believe I replaced thirty or so flip flops with 74ls74 chips with no problems. This was on my pdp8l and granted Dec used a lot of 4 and 8 input nand gates to drive loads On May 15, 2022 12:08:55 AM GMT+02:00, ben via cctalk wrote: >On

Re: Replacement for a DEC 7474 Chip

2022-05-15 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2022-05-14 10:53 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 5/14/22 15:35, dwight via cctalk wrote: You are stuck with using an original 7474 family assuming this is driving other early TTL. 74LS74, and others simply don't have the drive capability to work. I know LS has less fanout, but is