[cctalk] Re: 68k textbooks

During my college years, I took a very interesting 68000 course/lab where the lecture-instructor used Lance Levinthal's "68000 Assembly Language Programming" book. While it wasn't a required text, I bought a used copy and it was most helpful in understanding the internals of the processor. Our

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On 1/26/23 17:20, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > I remember the same from banging on an ASR 33. And if you watch videos of > Linotype machine operators, the same thing is very clear: they show a nice > smooth cadence, not incredibly fast but very steady. The mechanical > structure of those

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 8:15 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > We also probably don't have very many athletes here. Although lugging > this shit around does build up some strength. > Ahem. I was league champion in shotput in 10th grade (43+ feet with an 8lb shot). But yes, mongering vintage

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 4:15 AM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > We also probably don't have very many athletes here. Not unless you class 'electronics' as a sport. I managed to do so at school many years ago, meaning that while other boys were chassis spheres and prolate spheroids about I was

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

It seems as though MOST of us chose the typing class elective. Disproportionately more than the general population. We also probably don't have very many athletes here. Although lugging this shit around does build up some strength. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com On

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 5:15 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > And, yes, even as a male I had typing in high school. > I had typing as an elective class in 7th grade in 1984. It gave me the ability to type in programs faster. Sellam

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

> On Jan 26, 2023, at 8:15 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk > wrote: > > > On 1/26/2023 4:23 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: >> On Thu, 26 Jan 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: >>> I submit that the Selectric was not the optimum platform with which to >>> set speed records. >> >> Of

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On 1/26/2023 5:19 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote: There were printers in the 80s, used by the IRS and such, that spit out paper so fast it wasn't safe to be near. This is what I've heard. We had a XEROX at West Point in the 80's that you had to stay out of the room when it was printing and

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On 1/26/2023 4:23 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: I submit that the Selectric was not the optimum platform with which to set speed records. Of course not! Even a daisy wheel is easily capable of twice that. But, we didn't have convenient

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

> On Jan 26, 2023, at 6:29 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > I take that back about Versatec, CHM has a document from 1970 on their > electrostatic printer: > > https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/X163.83A > > I know that Lawrence Livermore had one and used it quite a

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On 1/26/23 16:10, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jan 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > In college, for a while, I did some temp work keypunching.  I was not a > fast typist, but I managed to outperform many of the other keypunchers > simply becaause the first thing that I did was

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On Thu, 26 Jan 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: Trying to restrict the discussion to KSR type units; i.e. ones that came with a keyboard and might be used as a typewriter if operated in local mode. Well. that certainly helps define fastest typewriter. But, is that we would be most

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

The GE Terminet line of printers used a band of letters and multiple hammers to hit the band at just the right time.  I believe they ran at a maximum speed of 1200 Baud or 120 characters per second. Also, many line printers used this method.  Sometimes the band would have multiple copies of

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On 1/26/23 16:07, Don R via cctalk wrote: What about the SCM Kleinschmidt spin printer. Yup, I think those did 30 CPS. Jon

[cctalk] Re: HP3000 recently deinstalled available in Colorado for nothing.

On 2023-01-26 4:15 p.m., Angel M Alganza via cctalk wrote: On 2023-01-26 19:01, ben via cctalk wrote: If one really wanted it they would find a way. When you are 3000 Km away, maybe, but when you are at the wrong side of the pond it isn't that easy...  :-D Ángel Well at at one time they

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On 1/26/23 14:52, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: > NEC also made "Thimble" printers.  These uses something similar to a > daisy wheel but were more shaped like a thimble with the letters coming > out up out of the center and the thimble rotated horizontally instead of > vertically like the daisy

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

I take that back about Versatec, CHM has a document from 1970 on their electrostatic printer: https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/X163.83A I know that Lawrence Livermore had one and used it quite a bit back in the day. --Chuck

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On 1/26/23 14:19, Chris via cctalk wrote: > There were printers in the 80s, used by the IRS and such, that spit out > paper so fast it wasn't safe to be near. This is what I've heard. Trying to restrict the discussion to KSR type units; i.e. ones that came with a keyboard and might be used as

[cctalk] Re: HP3000 recently deinstalled available in Colorado for nothing.

On Thu, Jan 26, 2023, 4:15 PM Angel M Alganza via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 2023-01-26 19:01, ben via cctalk wrote: > > > If one really wanted it they would find a way. > > When you are 3000 Km away, maybe, but when you are at the wrong side of > the pond it isn't that easy...

[cctalk] Re: HP3000 recently deinstalled available in Colorado for nothing.

On 2023-01-26 19:01, ben via cctalk wrote: If one really wanted it they would find a way. When you are 3000 Km away, maybe, but when you are at the wrong side of the pond it isn't that easy... :-D Ángel

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On 1/26/23 14:07, Don R wrote: > What about the SCM Kleinschmidt spin printer. The 311? Yes, at 40 cps that would certainly qualify--came in a KSR model as well. --Chuck

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On 2023-01-26 3:19 p.m., Chris via cctalk wrote: There were printers in the 80s, used by the IRS and such, that spit out paper so fast it wasn't safe to be near. This is what I've heard. Are you sure that was not that green stuff. :) Ben.

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

NEC also made "Thimble" printers.  These uses something similar to a daisy wheel but were more shaped like a thimble with the letters coming out up out of the center and the thimble rotated horizontally instead of vertically like the daisy wheel. On 1/26/2023 4:19 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote:

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

There were printers in the 80s, used by the IRS and such, that spit out paper so fast it wasn't safe to be near. This is what I've heard.

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

Wikipedia claims line printers had achieved 600 lpm by the '50s and have reached 2500 lpm On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 9:56 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 1/26/23 13:23, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > On Thu, 26 Jan 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > > > Even a

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

What about the SCM Kleinschmidt spin printer. Don Resor Sent from someone's iPhone > On Jan 26, 2023, at 1:56 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > On 1/26/23 13:23, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: >> On Thu, 26 Jan 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: >> >> Even a daisy wheel is easily

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On 1/26/23 13:23, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jan 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > Even a daisy wheel is easily capable of twice that. > But, we didn't have convenient access to anything better half a century > ago. A couple of years ago, that would have been true. But the

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

> On Jan 26, 2023, at 4:23 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > On Thu, 26 Jan 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: >> I submit that the Selectric was not the optimum platform with which to >> set speed records. > > Of course not! > Even a daisy wheel is easily capable of twice that. >

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On Thu, 26 Jan 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: I submit that the Selectric was not the optimum platform with which to set speed records. Of course not! Even a daisy wheel is easily capable of twice that. But, we didn't have convenient access to anything better half a century ago. I

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On 1/26/23 12:34, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > > I believe professionals routinely achieved that speed, certainly on electric > typewriters; non-electric ones would be a bit harder. This may surprise some:

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On 2023-01-26 14:15, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: A somewhat similar but more primitive thing is found in the DEC VT71/t typesetting terminal, which has a row of 16 "User Defined Keys" at the top. These have double keycaps, an outer transparent plastic shell that snaps over a smaller

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

> On Jan 26, 2023, at 2:39 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > On Thu, 26 Jan 2023, Steve Lewis via cctalk wrote: >> I recently came across the old H.S. yearbook of my grandmother from 1940s, >> and it had a report/atrticle of a typing-class (all female; it

[cctalk] Re: 68k textbooks

John F. Wakerly's book "Microprocessor Architecture and Programming" comes to mind. My first machine language programming book was DEC's "Introduction to Programming" for the PDP-8. I used Motorola's "MC6809-MC6809E Microprocessor Programming Manual" heavily in the early 80's Also,

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On Thu, 26 Jan 2023, Steve Lewis via cctalk wrote: I recently came across the old H.S. yearbook of my grandmother from 1940s, and it had a report/atrticle of a typing-class (all female; it mentioned there were two males but they dropped out of the class), and the young ladies had won a regional

[cctalk] 68k textbooks

I have a few scanned somewhere. I always kimd of liked Douglas Halls Microprocessors and Interfacing: Programming and Hardware for 80x86. It's a large format textbook. There is a 68000 version which I don't have. Curious what textbooks other can recommend. As I said I scanned at least 2, maybe

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On Thu, 26 Jan 2023, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: Sounds like what Apple came up with for its laptops a while ago, though in the most recent generation they dumped the idea. A somewhat similar but more primitive thing is found in the DEC VT71/t typesetting terminal, which has a row of 16

[cctalk] Re: HP3000 recently deinstalled available in Colorado for nothing.

Please send info directly to me  can not accessing fb.  Tbanks Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 10:40 AM, Chris via cctalk wrote: Dang it purdy. Alas I'm 3000 miles away. 

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

> On Jan 26, 2023, at 1:34 PM, Steve Lewis via cctalk > wrote: > >> Changing keys would be rather hard on a touch typist, don't you think? > > As for what I said of morphing shape of keycaps: I think I recall a > MacBook circa 2018 having something like this - at least one special row >

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

> Changing keys would be rather hard on a touch typist, don't you think? As for what I said of morphing shape of keycaps: I think I recall a MacBook circa 2018 having something like this - at least one special row near the top? It had programmatically controlled colorized symbols, and was a

[cctalk] Re: HP3000 recently deinstalled available in Colorado for nothing.

On 2023-01-26 10:40 a.m., Chris via cctalk wrote: Dang it purdy. Alas I'm 3000 miles away. AND UP 3 MOUNTAINS.:) If one really wanted it they would find a way. Ben.

[cctalk] Contact for HP3000 minicomputer:

I neglected to put any contact in the message prior: The fellow is Michael Lafond, an employee of the Archdiocese of Denver?  Here's a link to his Facebook page for messaging: https://www.facebook.com/groups/2103793056560583/user/1383697326

[cctalk] Re: HP3000 recently deinstalled available in Colorado for nothing.

Photos. Contact info??? Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 10:37 AM, Technoid Mutant via cctalk wrote:I snipped this from an instant post on facebook, 26Jan2022 at 12:35pmEastern Standard Time.::We just de-commissioned our HP3000 minicomputer in December 2022 and

[cctalk] Re: HP3000 recently deinstalled available in Colorado for nothing.

Dang it purdy. Alas I'm 3000 miles away.

[cctalk] HP3000 recently deinstalled available in Colorado for nothing.

I snipped this from an instant post on facebook, 26Jan2022 at 12:35pm Eastern Standard Time.:: We just de-commissioned our HP3000 minicomputer in December 2022 and are willing to give it away free to anyone willing to pick it up. Photos to follow, but it is the whole system, with 2 green bar

[cctalk] Re: Excellent CHM Article on Apple Lisa Software (Apple Archive)

Companies don't care about history.  It does not affect the next quarter's sales. I had serial number 1 of a Radio Shack shortwave receiver and offered it to them. A CEO I know of a company who's products I use has commented that he is always thinking forward, doesn't dwell in the past.

[cctalk] Re: Excellent CHM Article on Apple Lisa Software (Apple Archive)

Companies don't care about history.  It does not affect the next quarter's sales. I had serial number 1 of a Radio Shack shortwave receiver and offered it to them. I got a reply back, 'I'm sorry, we no longer support that model.' cheers, Nigel C: wow I didn't even know the Shirt Shack 

[cctalk] Re: Excellent CHM Article on Apple Lisa Software (Apple Archive)

I think companies treat their product as inventory items. Companies are not even meant to last forever, whereas the expectations of museums is that they should. Moreover, the excitement of acquiring a product with serial number 1 is coming from us, the consumers. You expected the Radio Shack

[cctalk] Re: Excellent CHM Article on Apple Lisa Software (Apple Archive)

Companies don't care about history.  It does not affect the next quarter's sales. I had serial number 1 of a Radio Shack shortwave receiver and offered it to them. I got a reply back, 'I'm sorry, we no longer support that model.' cheers, Nigel Nigel Johnson, MSc., MIEEE, MCSE