[cctalk] Re: mainframe vs mini

2023-03-16 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 5:05 PM Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: > This has been around the block: > > You can lose a screw in a micro. > You can lose a screwdriver in a mini. > You can get lost in a mainframe. We had an Amdahl in the middle of a multi-thousand-square-foot computer room (one of se

[cctalk] Re: List migration

2023-03-16 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Thank you everyone. I think installing the pipermail list program on the new host, just to serve as an archive function but not turn on the mailer function would be the easiest way to do it. Translating or transferring to some other platform would be a PITA Bill On Thu, Mar 16, 2023, 10:02 PM st

[cctalk] Re: mainframe vs mini

2023-03-16 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 3/15/23 17:23, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: > Yes, the IBM 709x ran in single-job fashion.  I don't think it had > interrupts, so breaking off one program to schedule another was not > possible.  Also, it had no memory protection.  We had a 7094 at > Washington University in the late 1960s, and

[cctalk] Re: List migration

2023-03-16 Thread steve shumaker via cctalk
Greetings sir! Who can I email to inquire about being rejected from the listserver as spam? Steve On 7/10/22 10:38 PM, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: Friends, The process of migrating the cctalk and cctech mailing lists to a new host in Chicago is underway. This evening, I've moved the list m

[cctalk] Re: Knockoffs, was: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-16 Thread Ken Seefried via cctalk
On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 12:32 PM Alexander Huemer via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 11:05:41PM +0800, Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: > > FSF does not enforce anything. > > https://gpl-violations.org/ > They do though. > > -Alex > Go to 'News' on that site and the

[cctalk] SmallTalk books claimed

2023-03-16 Thread Todd Pisek via cctalk
They’re gone

[cctalk] SmallTalk 80 books available

2023-03-16 Thread Todd Pisek via cctalk
I have the following books free to a good home: SmallTalk-80: The Language & its Implementation SmallTalk-80: The Interactive Programming Environment SmallTalk-80: Bits of History, Words of Advice Email tpisek at pobox dot com

[cctalk] Re: mainframe vs mini

2023-03-16 Thread W2HX via cctalk
>I remember when the internet and e-mail became all the rage in the late 1990s, >everything was eThis and eThat. And when Apple coined the iPhone, everything >started to become iThis and iThat. The "i" thing predated apple's use of it and certainly predated the iphone. Internet services o

[cctalk] Re: Knockoffs, was: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-16 Thread Alexander Huemer via cctalk
On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 11:05:41PM +0800, Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: > FSF does not enforce anything. https://gpl-violations.org/ They do though. -Alex

[cctalk] Re: Knockoffs, was: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-16 Thread Jonathan Chapman via cctalk
> FSF does not enforce anything. I repeatedly begged for help with Desktop > CYBER which was GPL licensed and they did not even bother to reply. I'm told by a friend at Red Hat that RH/IBM has a department for that kind of thing and can/will provide legal help for outside projects. Thanks, Jonat

[cctalk] Re: Knockoffs, was: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-16 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
Maybe they only do for GPL items of their own. paul > On Mar 16, 2023, at 11:05 AM, Tom Hunter via cctalk > wrote: > > FSF does not enforce anything. I repeatedly begged for help with Desktop > CYBER which was GPL licensed and they did not even bother to reply. > > Tom Hunter

[cctalk] Re: Knockoffs, was: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-16 Thread Tom Hunter via cctalk
FSF does not enforce anything. I repeatedly begged for help with Desktop CYBER which was GPL licensed and they did not even bother to reply. Tom Hunter On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 7:46 AM Paul Koning via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > On Mar 14, 2023, at 10:57 PM, Jonathan Chapman vi

[cctalk] Re: mainframe vs mini

2023-03-16 Thread Jay Jaeger via cctalk
The 709x had data channels which ran asynchronously, and generated channel traps — i.e. interrupts. I don’t think it had a, say, 60Hz clock, but I/O interrupts would allow a certain basic level of multiprogramming. The IBM 1410 also had I/O interrupts, and even had a rudimentary optional telep