On 6/28/23 21:43, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
Anyone have the 2716 ePROM listing for IMSAI Basic. Version 1.4 or
whatever. I once had it, can't find my copy. If not 2716, I'll take any
listing that I can convert somehow.
Thanks
Bill
Possibly the Prom-4 board with 1702s. As mentioned 2
Sorry then, This is the assembly source listing.
Steve
On 6/28/23 8:00 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
Steve
I was looking for the original prom listing format files. Not sure if
theyre 1702 2708 2716 or ??
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 10:51 PM steve shumaker via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org>
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 8:01 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk
wrote:
>
> Steve
> I was looking for the original prom listing format files. Not sure if
> theyre 1702 2708 2716 or ??
This IMSAI 8K BASIC Version 1.4 manual says 32 chips in two IMSAI PROM
4 boards. That would be 32 256-byte 1702 EPROMs.
Wait !! - there was BASIC in ROM for the IMSAI?
How was the memory laid out? What I/O devices did it expect?
Does it run with a Z80 CPU, or only the 8080?
Kindest regards,
Doug Jackson
em: d...@doughq.com
ph: 0414 986878
On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 at 12:51, steve shumaker via cctalk <
Steve
I was looking for the original prom listing format files. Not sure if
theyre 1702 2708 2716 or ??
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 10:51 PM steve shumaker via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> That would be the Imsai 8K BASIC? If so, I have the assembler listing
> as part of the Imsai manual
That would be the Imsai 8K BASIC? If so, I have the assembler listing
as part of the Imsai manual set.
Steve
On 6/28/23 7:43 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
Anyone have the 2716 ePROM listing for IMSAI Basic. Version 1.4 or
whatever. I once had it, can't find my copy. If not 2716, I'll
Anyone have the 2716 ePROM listing for IMSAI Basic. Version 1.4 or
whatever. I once had it, can't find my copy. If not 2716, I'll take any
listing that I can convert somehow.
Thanks
Bill
DSM-IV is "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual" for mental disorders,
and is
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023, Ali wrote:
Fred,
You are showing your age ;). The DSM-V has been out for a while now and the
first revision (DSM V-TR TR=Text Revision, gotta love the Psych guys...) is
coming out (is out?) soon
At the risk of offending many others, I would think that documentation for
the 5150 could be called "DSM-IV"
For those who need explanation of my inept attempts at humour, . . .
(I probably shouldn't even try)
DSM-IV is "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual" for mental disorders, and is
the
If a few of us were to chip in very small donations, what would it cost to
have a commercial scanning service company, with high speed auto-feed
scanners, scan it?
I admit that I had to GOOGLE what DSM stood for.
At the risk of offending many others, I would think that documentation for
the
Well, it's huge. As in totally fills a large DEC binder. Seems to have
the following:
Introduction to DSM
Language reference
User's Guide
XDT reference
Release Notes
Would go well with that copy of DSM I have imaged on an RD52 drive.
So does anyone in MD have access to a faster scanner
> On Jun 28, 2023, at 5:21 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> While looking for my RSX11 DECNET manual (because the online version doesn't
> have any examples of commands which is why you look in the manual in the
> first place) I found a copy of the DSM binder AA-K676B-TK and ilk.
>
While looking for my RSX11 DECNET manual (because the online version
doesn't have any examples of commands which is why you look in the
manual in the first place) I found a copy of the DSM binder AA-K676B-TK
and ilk.
Is this online or does anyone else have it?
CZ
On 6/28/23 12:13 AM, Fred Cisin wrote:
It is sometimes caalled that.
;-)
With many boxes of used cables, often there will be cables that are
DB-25, but with 16 pins missing in the 25 pin connector, often leaving
pins 1-8 and 20, and gaps where other pins could have been.. I call
THAT a
On 6/28/23 8:48 AM, Tony Duell wrote:
I was being a bit of a smart alec too.
I'm glad that I was / you were / we are as I think this is shaping up to
be another very interesting thread where I learn a lot of minutia that I
wouldn't otherwise learn.
#todayIlearned :-D
> Not necessarily a DEC thing. TEMPEST PC's (and other TEMPEST boxes like
> fiber
>
> ethernet transceivers) also had screw connectors rather than the spring
> clip ones.
It's semi-common on random old stuff, yeah. I've got a Cisco IGS that uses
jackscrews, and have had a pretty good number of
50 pin DD connectors are alive and well on the backplanes of some day job ATRs
with new electronics in the old VME form factor. 3 x 16 STPs pass through them
very nicely en route to front panel connectors. Both dense, decently robust
and legacy compliant.
More generally, if you have access
On 6/28/2023 8:23 AM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
Meanwhile, on AUI cables: the difficulty with plugging a transceiver
into the Pro is that the Pro uses regular nuts, for a plug that
secures by screws. That's non-standard, since the AUI spec calls for
the "turret" and sliding latch type.
On 6/27/2023 8:44 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
More interesting is that All-In-One for the VAX comes on RX02 and
RL02 disks.
I wasn't aware that the VAX or VMS even supported RX or RL disks.
Sure. The 8600 and 11/730 used an RL02 as the boot/startup media.
Don't know the 8600.
> On Jun 28, 2023, at 8:23 AM, Chris Zach via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
>> Meanwhile, on AUI cables: the difficulty with plugging a transceiver into
>> the Pro is that the Pro uses regular nuts, for a plug that secures by
>> screws. That's non-standard, since the AUI spec calls for the
On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 12:35 AM Mark Huffstutter via cctalk
wrote:
> I've never seen an HP-9830A that gorgeous, and with the
> Companion HP-9866A printer no less, wow!
What I'd like to see is an HP9830 with the HP9880 disk system (an
HP7900A drive with a special controller). Any still
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 5:02 PM Chris Zach via cctalk
wrote:
> Yup, it's a DEC thing, however the DEQNA cab kits do the proper cam and
> lock interface. I thought about removing the nuts, but went with
> ordering a cable and I'll pull the studs off it to make it work. Sub
> optimal but that is
Meanwhile, on AUI cables: the difficulty with plugging a transceiver into the Pro is that
the Pro uses regular nuts, for a plug that secures by screws. That's non-standard, since
the AUI spec calls for the "turret" and sliding latch type. So a standard AUI
cable wouldn't be a real cure
On 6/28/23 09:40, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
On Jun 28, 2023, at 9:48 AM, Tony Duell via cctalk
wrote:
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 6:00 AM Grant Taylor via cctalk
wrote:
Tony's email makes me ask more questions than I have (smart alack)
answers to. Maybe ~> hopefully I can ~> will learn
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 10:28 AM Jon Elson via cctalk
wrote:
> On 6/27/23 20:58, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, the console floppy on an 11/780 was an RX02, and VMS
> >> supported "virtualizing" it through the LSI-11 console
> >> computer so you could mount it just like any other
Keep in mind that a Pro does not accept a real AUI cable. It takes a cable
with an AUI connector (slide lock type) at the transceiver end, but a DA-15
connector with the conventional screw fasteners as you'd find on a serial port
for the computer end. If you try a real AUI cable you're right
> On Jun 28, 2023, at 9:48 AM, Tony Duell via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 6:00 AM Grant Taylor via cctalk
> wrote:
>>
>> Tony's email makes me ask more questions than I have (smart alack)
>> answers to. Maybe ~> hopefully I can ~> will learn something.
>
> I was being a
I have a real DEC AUI cable and live in MD. I think it is 10 feet long.
Doug
On 6/27/2023 9:16 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
Anyone in MD got an AUI cable (few feet long) I can steal so I don't
have to remove the bolts from the Pro/380's Ethernet socket or the
pins on my 10bt ethernet MAU?
> On Jun 28, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Jonathan Chapman via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> ...
>> If you want to link 2 transceivers together on the AUI side then
>> that's a network bridge. Even a basc one is quite a lot of
>> electronics.
>
> DEC's full wirespeed bridge was supposedly considered something
On 6/27/23 20:58, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
Yes, the console floppy on an 11/780 was an RX02, and VMS
supported "virtualizing" it through the LSI-11 console
computer so you could mount it just like any other device.
I thought it was an RX01 on an 11/03? It's an RX02?
Yup, I think you
> There is no real equivalent of an 'AUI null modem cable' (should that
> be 'null transceiver cable'?)
>
> If you want to link 2 computer-type ports together you need the
> equiavelent of 2 transceivers.
This (or devices like it) is probably the only single-piece two station "null
modem
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 2:44 PM Jonathan Chapman via cctalk
wrote:
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> > For a few inches, which would be enough here I think, I've used an IDC
> > DA15 plug and socket crimped onto the normal ribbon cable. Technically
> > it's wrong but the reflections on that length of cable won't matter.
>
>
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 6:00 AM Grant Taylor via cctalk
wrote:
>
> Tony's email makes me ask more questions than I have (smart alack)
> answers to. Maybe ~> hopefully I can ~> will learn something.
I was being a bit of a smart alec too. The point I was making is that
a bit of normal IDC ribbon
> There is also DD, though I've never seen one in the wild.
Old SCSI uses DD-50. I've also seen it used on Pertec tape controllers and
multiport serial cards.
Thanks,
Jonathan
> For a few inches, which would be enough here I think, I've used an IDC
> DA15 plug and socket crimped onto the normal ribbon cable. Technically
> it's wrong but the reflections on that length of cable won't matter.
That's how Sun VME Ethernet boards are set up, the board itself is way back
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 6:13 AM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> With many boxes of used cables, often there will be cables that are DB-25,
> but with 16 pins missing in the 25 pin connector, often leaving pins 1-8
> and 20, and gaps where other pins could have been.. I call THAT a DB-9
>
The
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 1:19 PM Paul Koning via cctalk
wrote:
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>
>
> > On Jun 28, 2023, at 1:13 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
> > wrote:
> >
> > DA, DC, DE connectors are a different size D shell than the DB, which is
> > the one commonly used for a 25 pin cable.
>
> There is also DD, though I've
I probably have one here in Landenberg which is on the PA side of the MD/PA
border if you can find no other sources. Not in front of me to verify, but
I think I have three plastic bins of them along with related parts.
Bill
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 8:19 AM Paul Koning via cctalk
wrote:
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>
> > On
> On Jun 28, 2023, at 1:00 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> Tony's email makes me ask more questions than I have (smart alack) answers
> to. Maybe ~> hopefully I can ~> will learn something.
>
> On 6/27/23 10:26 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
>> For a few inches, which would be enough here
> On Jun 28, 2023, at 1:13 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> DA, DC, DE connectors are a different size D shell than the DB, which is the
> one commonly used for a 25 pin cable.
There is also DD, though I've never seen one in the wild. DA is the shell for
AUI connectors, DC is used
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