[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

2023-08-05 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk
Cool. One of packages that I supported also ran on the "Medium Systems" (B3000 and B4000 at that point). When I needed to run tests on those machines, I had to drive to the Pasadena office. There was an old-school fish bowl system operator room though it hadn't been used as such for a long

[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

2023-08-05 Thread Mike Stein via cctalk
Ah, BBM memories... My first paying programmer/operator job was on a B260 in the late 60s, the first Burroughs minicomputer in Canada IIRC. Many years later, after trying a few other careers including managing a large motorcycle dealership, I wound up back with Burroughs doing contract

[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

2023-08-05 Thread Mike Stein via cctalk
As a matter of fact a local friend, Josh Bensadon, restored their MCM/70 for the York U museum in Toronto On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 7:37 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 8/5/23 16:30, John Herron wrote: > > For no personally good reason other than the stigma (and technically > > incorrect)

[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

2023-08-05 Thread Mike Stein via cctalk
Yup! There's one in the local University's museum, and the curator even wrote a book about its interesting history. On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 7:37 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 8/5/23 16:30, John Herron wrote: > > For no personally good reason other than the stigma (and technically > >

[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

2023-08-05 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > If I weren't old and if I were a collector, I'd be going after an MCM/70 > as my target. 8008 CPU, APL and pretty darned close to the first > mobile-capable PC. > > Gotta love them Canadians. > Definitely a sleeper. Very hard to

[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

2023-08-05 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 3:32 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > I have a MITS Altair 8800 that I constructed from the kit back in 1975. > I haven't touched the thing in over 30 years--nor am I likely to. > It'll probably go to the e-recycler (hopefully not the landfill) when I > shed this mortal

[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

2023-08-05 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk
My holy grail is a Burroughs B1965. I was one of the last people at Burroughs (Unisys at that point) fixing bugs in the system software on B1000 (the only one in the Lake Forest, CA office; all of the sys admins knew of the B1965 there as "my" machine.). My office was filled with B1000

[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

2023-08-05 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 8/5/23 16:30, John Herron wrote: > For no personally good reason other than the stigma (and technically > incorrect) being the first PC, the Altair 8800 is my holy Grail.  Some > day I'd like to have a real one but they increase in value at the same > rate as my income lol so not likely going

[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

2023-08-05 Thread John Herron via cctalk
For no personally good reason other than the stigma (and technically incorrect) being the first PC, the Altair 8800 is my holy Grail. Some day I'd like to have a real one but they increase in value at the same rate as my income lol so not likely going to happen. It's a neat system though and like

[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

2023-08-05 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 8/5/23 15:58, b...@techtimetraveller.com wrote: > Do you have an emotional attachment to it? I just saw one sell on ebay > yesterday for $6100. An e-recycler will have a nice payday on your Altair. > No real attachment; it was a useful tool for a time. It took an entire weekend with

[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

2023-08-05 Thread Brad H via cctalk
Agreed. I wonder though if Apple eventually founders (always possible - Kodak did), if Jobs/Apple will still have quite the same appeal and collector's halo effect on their oldest products. -Original Message- From: Sellam Abraham via cctalk Sent: Saturday, August 5, 2023 2:12 PM

[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

2023-08-05 Thread Brad H via cctalk
Do you have an emotional attachment to it? I just saw one sell on ebay yesterday for $6100. An e-recycler will have a nice payday on your Altair. I'm not too keen on emulation. Because I never got to experience the earlier machines in person (too young), emulation doesn't cut it for me.

[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

2023-08-05 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
I have a MITS Altair 8800 that I constructed from the kit back in 1975. I haven't touched the thing in over 30 years--nor am I likely to. It'll probably go to the e-recycler (hopefully not the landfill) when I shed this mortal coil or simply become incompetent. IIRC it ran about $1,000--and that

[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

2023-08-05 Thread Cameron Kaiser via cctalk
> Personally I use my IMSAI somewhat regularly, thats my favorite computer > from the mid 70s. I have an IMSAI as well, but for me my favourite computer of that era is the KIM-1, and that's such a simple design there are tons of reimplementations (though I prefer the original since some of them

[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

2023-08-05 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 9:48 AM Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote: > > The Apple 1 is collectible purely because it was the first product Apple > made. Not really, though that's part of it. The value of the Apple 1 has more to do with the Cult of Steve than anything else. Steve Jobs became the most

[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

2023-08-05 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 8/5/2023 4:07 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 1:46 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: On 8/3/2023 3:45 AM, Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote: I’d still prefer the IMSAI 8080 or SWTPC 6800 though. While I have a couple Apple ]['s I really

[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

2023-08-05 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 1:46 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > On 8/3/2023 3:45 AM, Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote: > > > > I’d still prefer the IMSAI 8080 or SWTPC 6800 though. > > > While I have a couple Apple ]['s I really don't do much with them. Haven't > > even

[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

2023-08-05 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2023-08-05 11:16 a.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 8/3/23 00:45, Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote: Value is a very much reliant on both desirability and historical significance. I guarantee most people who own an Apple 1 never use it, and it sits in a cabinet/shelf somewhere.

[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

2023-08-05 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 8/3/2023 3:45 AM, Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote: I’d still prefer the IMSAI 8080 or SWTPC 6800 though. While I have a couple Apple ]['s I really don't do much with them.  Haven't even turned one on since I retired from the University in 2015 and they came home . Wouldn't take an Apple

[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

2023-08-05 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 8/3/23 00:45, Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote: > Value is a very much reliant on both desirability and historical > significance. I guarantee most people who own an Apple 1 never use it, and it > sits in a cabinet/shelf somewhere. Transversely, I’m sure there’s very few > Amiga 1200’s purely on

[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

2023-08-05 Thread Joshua Rice via cctalk
Value is a very much reliant on both desirability and historical significance. I guarantee most people who own an Apple 1 never use it, and it sits in a cabinet/shelf somewhere. Transversely, I’m sure there’s very few Amiga 1200’s purely on display, with the vast majority in collectors hands

[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

2023-08-05 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 9:44 AM Gordon Henderson via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Sat, 5 Aug 2023, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > > > Something has to be the most sought-after thing in every collectors' > > hobby. The Apple I is not historically significant enough alone to > justify

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

2023-08-05 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Ok, let me get a camera too. If I can find a spare RD51 I'll try doing an install (I don't think this version supported the RD53. Maybe it did) C On 8/4/2023 3:38 PM, Hans-Ulrich Hölscher via cctalk wrote: Chris, Thanks for your kind offer to re-image the third floppy! May I politely repeat

[cctalk] IBM 1410 FPGA Status - 1401 Mode

2023-08-05 Thread Jay Jaeger via cctalk
My IBM 1410 FPGA project now features a working 1401 mode as well, with the flip of a switch, exactly like the original IBM 1410. There are still a few real problems (e.g., Console I/O Input under program control doesn't seem to be working), a few minor issues involving console problems when

[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

2023-08-05 Thread Gordon Henderson via cctalk
On Sat, 5 Aug 2023, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: Something has to be the most sought-after thing in every collectors' hobby. The Apple I is not historically significant enough alone to justify the prices they get, there is a cultural/memorabilia component too. Just rare enough to form an

[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

2023-08-05 Thread Michael Thompson via cctalk
> No one collects cloud servers, the things that do > the real work and storage. Will they? Google's first server is in the Computer History Museum... On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 8:54 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > Something has to be the most sought-after thing in every collectors' > hobby.

[cctalk] Re: Apple 1

2023-08-05 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Something has to be the most sought-after thing in every collectors' hobby. The Apple I is not historically significant enough alone to justify the prices they get, there is a cultural/memorabilia component too. Just rare enough to form an elite "market". It's an indicator that computer age

[cctalk] Re: 50 pins in three rows

2023-08-05 Thread Peter Coghlan via cctalk
> >>> Anyone seen those before, and is it actually SCSI, or is it something else? > >> Common on old Sun SCSI stuff, it's a DD-50. Could be something else, but >> they were indeed used for SCSI termination. > > Given what else was in there, this makes sense, and they look exactly like a > SCSI

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

2023-08-05 Thread Hans-Ulrich Hölscher via cctalk
Could you please invite me to the discord channel "minicomputers"? Thanks! Ulli Am Sa., 5. Aug. 2023 um 06:08 Uhr schrieb Chris Zach via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org>: > Ok, I took pictures of some of the disks and posted it on the discord > channel minicomputers. I'm curious to see if

[cctalk] Re: Old Professional/350 software, any of this out there

2023-08-05 Thread Nigel Williams via cctalk
On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 10:16 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Which version of RSTS is MicroRSTS V2.1 equivalent to? > From here: https://groups.google.com/g/net.micro/c/_HXPyIyrSwo/m/MuWDLNE8P48J "Micro-RSTS comes with RSTS/E V8.0". This means that while buying