[cctalk] Re: VCFMW vendor tables

2023-08-30 Thread Jason T via cctalk
On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 11:45 AM Tom Uban via cctalk wrote: > I have heard of Discord, but have not had a need to use it. Odd that > https://vcfmw.org/ does not > have an obvious link for Discord if it is where we are expected to find > useful information. Would I > need to have a Discord

[cctalk] Re: Silly question about S-100 and video monitors

2023-08-30 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I remember just getting close to channel 33, not worrying what the actual channel was anyway...as long as it worked. On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 9:47 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > >> In the circles that I was in, the Sup-R-ModII seemed to be the most > >> common. Oddly, it was on UHF channel

[cctalk] Re: Silly question about S-100 and video monitors

2023-08-30 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
In the circles that I was in, the Sup-R-ModII seemed to be the most common. Oddly, it was on UHF channel 34, although there were plenty of channel 3/4 ones. Tuning the TV to channel 34 wasn't all that hard, because it was right below a third tier channel and a 24/7 [speed-freak?] preacher dude,

[cctalk] Re: Silly question about S-100 and video monitors

2023-08-30 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
> > > > > In the circles that I was in, the Sup-R-ModII seemed to be the most > common. Oddly, it was on UHF channel 34, although there were plenty of > channel 3/4 ones. Tuning the TV to channel 34 wasn't all that hard, > because it was right below a third tier channel and a 24/7

[cctalk] Re: Silly question about S-100 and video monitors

2023-08-30 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Hence the short text lines on "home" computers. The TRS80 used an RCA TV, converted into a monitor. (presumably bulk purchased before the tuner was installed). OB_irrelevant: In the TV sitcom "Married With Children" in many seasons, on the Bundy kitchen counter was a [off white, instead of

[cctalk] Re: Silly question about S-100 and video monitors

2023-08-30 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
When I said "tape drive", I was actually thinking mostly of cassette On Wed, 30 Aug 2023, Mike Katz wrote: I think you forgot the most common storage back then.  Audio cassette at 300 or 1200 baud. On 8/30/2023 5:39 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 30 Aug 2023, Wayne S wrote: When

[cctalk] Re: Silly question about S-100 and video monitors

2023-08-30 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
The probem with RF Modulators is that due to the National Television Standards Committee standards for American television there wasn't enough bandwidth to display 80 characters x24  lines (or 25 lines with status). Generally 64 x 16 was the maxmimum that would be readable on a standard black

[cctalk] Re: Silly question about S-100 and video monitors

2023-08-30 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
I think you forgot the most common storage back then.  Audio cassette at 300 or 1200 baud. On 8/30/2023 5:39 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 30 Aug 2023, Wayne S wrote: When s-100 machines came out, they were standalone. The serial port was for sending serial data not for a terminal.

[cctalk] Re: Silly question about S-100 and video monitors

2023-08-30 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 30 Aug 2023, Wayne S wrote: When s-100 machines came out, they were standalone. The serial port was for sending serial data not for a terminal. You would have to write some software to use it with a terminal. Of course. To do anything with it, you needed some input and output. Either

[cctalk] Re: Silly question about S-100 and video monitors

2023-08-30 Thread Wayne S via cctalk
When s-100 machines came out, they were standalone. The serial port was for sending serial data not for a terminal. You would have to write some software to use it with a terminal. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 30, 2023, at 14:45, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > On Wed, 30 Aug 2023,

[cctalk] Re: Silly question about S-100 and video monitors

2023-08-30 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 30 Aug 2023, William Sudbrink via cctalk wrote: There were RF modulators. See the November 1976 review of the Poly-88 here (on page 16): http://cini.classiccmp.org/pdf/DrDobbs/DrDobbs-1976-11-12-v1n10.pdf Note the reference to the "Pixie Verter". It is a little cheap circuit board that

[cctalk] Re: Silly question about S-100 and video monitors

2023-08-30 Thread William Sudbrink via cctalk
Now that I'm thinking about it, there were also instructions for hacking the composite signal straight into the TV, bypassing the tuner... but Mom and Dad probably wouldn't go for that (mine didn't). -Original Message- From: William Sudbrink via cctalk [mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org]

[cctalk] Re: Silly question about S-100 and video monitors

2023-08-30 Thread William Sudbrink via cctalk
There were RF modulators. See the November 1976 review of the Poly-88 here (on page 16): http://cini.classiccmp.org/pdf/DrDobbs/DrDobbs-1976-11-12-v1n10.pdf Note the reference to the "Pixie Verter". It is a little cheap circuit board that takes the composite signal and modulates it onto

[cctalk] Plotter or Chart Recorder pens - in UK

2023-08-30 Thread Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk
I have found some plotter pens. Ons pack says Calcomp 104x, 1023. The other I can't trace. They look like they clip into ring. Pics here. https://1drv.ms/f/s!Ag4BJfE5B3onnqhG_uReQsCndYafvg?e=WpT5nw I have a few more of the Calcomp, packets of the un-branded sort. Free for the cost of

[cctalk] Re: Silly question about S-100 and video monitors

2023-08-30 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
/115,200 in the S100 era was also rare. It was usually 9600 or 19200 at the top end/ That is true.  I remember setting my serial board for external baud rate and the SWTPC CT-82 terminal to generate the baud rate and I think it was like 38,400 maximum. My VT-220 maxes out at 9600 and my

[cctalk] Re: Silly question about S-100 and video monitors

2023-08-30 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 1:52 PM Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: > I had a video board and keyboard on my Gimix SS-50 system. > > Why? > > 1. The video board/monitor is much faster than a terminal even at > 115,200 baud. > 115,200 in the S100 era was also rare. It was usually 9600 or 19200 at the

[cctalk] Re: Silly question about S-100 and video monitors

2023-08-30 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
I had a video board and keyboard on my Gimix SS-50 system. Why? 1.  The video board/monitor is much faster than a terminal even at 115,200 baud. 2.  A Video board, keyboard and monitor was way cheaper back then than a terminal (Yes there was the SWTPc CT64 and the Lear Siegler ADM-3A kits,

[cctalk] Re: Silly question about S-100 and video monitors

2023-08-30 Thread Jonathan Chapman via cctalk
> Other than graphics (and maybe some special function keys for an application > on a keyboard), why would an S-100 builder in those days opt to buy a video > card instead of a terminal? Primarily cost I'm led to believe. There were also games that took advantage of primitive graphics

[cctalk] Silly question about S-100 and video monitors

2023-08-30 Thread W2HX via cctalk
Hi all, I recently acquired an S-100 computer, and it came with a video card and a keyboard (3rd party products, not originally equipped with these). I am trying to figure out the benefits of having a video card and keyboard vs just using a serial port and terminal. Certainly if the video card

[cctalk] Re: VCFMW vendor tables

2023-08-30 Thread Wayne S via cctalk
Hi all. It helps to be clear on what you mean. Referring to a technology or app without being specific may ruin its reputation and what is was intended to be used for. Discord was not intended to be an archive for information, just a way to encourage the dissemination of information in a

[cctalk] Re: VCFMW vendor tables

2023-08-30 Thread Seth Morabito via cctalk
On Wed, Aug 30, 2023, at 11:30 AM, Wayne S via cctalk wrote: > This dislike of “Discord” has touched a nerve for me. It’s also one of > the reasons the cctalk list has lost most of it value. > Discord is a collection of channels most devoted to specific subjects > that you more or less

[cctalk] Re: VCFMW vendor tables

2023-08-30 Thread Dennis Boone via cctalk
> This dislike of “Discord” has touched a nerve for me. It’s also one > of the reasons the cctalk list has lost most of it value. Discord is > a collection of channels most devoted to specific subjects that you > more or less subscribe to. It’s just a server and you need an invite > to join

[cctalk] Re: VCFMW vendor tables

2023-08-30 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
/ simply don’t watch it. Don’t blame the medium. / I'm sorry but I have to disagree. The way that discord presents the information vs a forum style or even Facebook style is, to me, very very distracting and hard to communicate across. The constant chatter, distracting graphics and

[cctalk] Re: VCFMW vendor tables

2023-08-30 Thread Wayne S via cctalk
Also, it run on Google Cloud so being centralized is a dubious distinction. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 30, 2023, at 11:49, Wayne S wrote: > > Just like Twitter (X), Facebook, Google, Yahoo or just about any online > business. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 30, 2023, at 11:43,

[cctalk] Re: VCFMW vendor tables

2023-08-30 Thread Wayne S via cctalk
Just like Twitter (X), Facebook, Google, Yahoo or just about any online business. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 30, 2023, at 11:43, Raphaël Jacquot via cctalk > wrote: > >  > >> Le 30/08/2023 à 20:30, Wayne S via cctalk a écrit : >> This dislike of “Discord” has touched a nerve for me.

[cctalk] Re: VCFMW vendor tables

2023-08-30 Thread Raphaël Jacquot via cctalk
Le 30/08/2023 à 20:30, Wayne S via cctalk a écrit : This dislike of “Discord” has touched a nerve for me. It’s also one of the reasons the cctalk list has lost most of it value. Discord is a collection of channels most devoted to specific subjects that you more or less subscribe to. It’s

[cctalk] Re: VCFMW vendor tables

2023-08-30 Thread Wayne S via cctalk
This dislike of “Discord” has touched a nerve for me. It’s also one of the reasons the cctalk list has lost most of it value. Discord is a collection of channels most devoted to specific subjects that you more or less subscribe to. It’s just a server and you need an invite to join a group.

[cctalk] Re: VCFMW vendor tables

2023-08-30 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
I have to second the motion.  In my opinion in general social media is a waste of time and energy. I understand the time it takes to run VCF but to have multiple possible different places (webiste, ICM, discord, etc) to get information is a bit much, especially for us old farts. Discord

[cctalk] Re: VCFMW vendor tables

2023-08-30 Thread Patrick Finnegan via cctalk
On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 12:45 PM Tom Uban via cctalk wrote: > On 8/30/23 11:25 AM, Seth Morabito via cctalk wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 30, 2023, at 7:26 AM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote: > >> All the VCFMW info is on the Discord server. > > I swear to God, Discord will be the end of the open

[cctalk] Re: PDP-8/L $15,000

2023-08-30 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
DEC did make the Interprocessor Buffer (M8326) for the Ominibus. That allowed for relatively high speed communications between machines.  You could also do some kind of serial network like Lantastic.    I know some company made an SDLC board set for the omnibus. On 8/30/2023 8:04 AM, Paul

[cctalk] Re: VCFMW vendor tables

2023-08-30 Thread Tom Uban via cctalk
On 8/30/23 11:25 AM, Seth Morabito via cctalk wrote: On Wed, Aug 30, 2023, at 7:26 AM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote: All the VCFMW info is on the Discord server. I swear to God, Discord will be the end of the open Internet, it's where information goes to die. I hate it with every fiber

[cctalk] Re: VCFMW vendor tables

2023-08-30 Thread Seth Morabito via cctalk
On Wed, Aug 30, 2023, at 7:26 AM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote: > All the VCFMW info is on the Discord server. I swear to God, Discord will be the end of the open Internet, it's where information goes to die. I hate it with every fiber of my being. And yes, I use it, I'm on many servers.

[cctalk] Re: PDP-8/L $15,000

2023-08-30 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2023-08-29 6:46 a.m., Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: -BUT- That does not mean it *can't* be restored, only that $15,000 is ridiculous for a machine that clearly needs an expert with time and money. b True, it is a silly price. I was thinking about this on the forum: If someone offers to

[cctalk] Re: VCFMW vendor tables

2023-08-30 Thread Patrick Finnegan via cctalk
We've got a standby list of about 10 people so far. Did you fill in the table reservation Google form that Jason sent to this list a couple weeks ago? Feel free to bring things and there's a chance you might fit in. There's some options we're exploring. Patrick Finnegan On Wed, Aug 30, 2023,

[cctalk] Re: VCFMW vendor tables

2023-08-30 Thread William Donzelli via cctalk
All the VCFMW info is on the Discord server. -- Will On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 10:22 AM Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: > > I know I was a little late in making a reservation for a > vendor table at the VCF MW. > > But, last year they were able to fit me in. Now, I have > made my request, and not

[cctalk] VCFMW vendor tables

2023-08-30 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
I know I was a little late in making a reservation for a vendor table at the VCF MW. But, last year they were able to fit me in.  Now, I have made my request, and not heard ANYTHING whatsoever, even that they are working on it.  The VCFMW web site was last updated in JUNE! Does anybody know

[cctalk] Re: PDP-8/L $15,000

2023-08-30 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Aug 29, 2023, at 8:46 AM, Chris Zach via cctalk > wrote: > > >> -BUT- That does not mean it *can't* be restored, only that $15,000 is >> ridiculous for a machine that clearly needs an expert with time and money. >> b > > True, it is a silly price. I was thinking about this on the

[cctalk] Re: PDP-8/L $15,000

2023-08-30 Thread David Barto via cctalk
> On Aug 29, 2023, at 7:02 AM, Gavin Scott via cctalk > wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 6:22 AM Peter Coghlan via cctalk > wrote: >> You reckon someone in Moscow is wishing they heard about this trick a week >> ago? > > They instead chose the ever-popular Simplified Planetary Landing >

[cctalk] Re: PDP-8/L $15,000

2023-08-30 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
-BUT- That does not mean it *can't* be restored, only that $15,000 is ridiculous for a machine that clearly needs an expert with time and money. b True, it is a silly price. I was thinking about this on the forum: If someone offers to buy one of my fully running 8/L's for 6k I'll put in an

[cctalk] Re: NewtonOS

2023-08-30 Thread John Many Jars via cctalk
I worked in an Apple repair center when they came out. Customers were bringing them in saying, "this doesn't work." It was working as well as it could, which wasn't very well... great idea though! Ahead of it's technology a bit.