[cctalk] Re: Bomar 901b My wife found in my stuff. Is this as scarce at it seems?s,?

2024-04-15 Thread Don R via cctalk
At first I misread the subject as my 901lb wife…. Man I need my eyes checked! ;o) Don Resor Sent from someone's iPhone > On Apr 15, 2024, at 7:04 PM, ED SHARPE via cctalk > wrote: > > Bomar 901b My wife found in my stuff. Is this as scarce at it seems?s,? > > > Sent from AOL on

[cctalk] Re: PDP-11 thingy. What is it?

2024-04-15 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 8:07 PM W2HX via cctalk wrote: > 1. I have read that the card and the drives were compatible with the dec rx02 > drives. Why would the CRDS even bother to redesign a card where DEC had > perfectly good working ones? Anyone know if there is any value in keeping the >

[cctalk] Bomar 901b My wife found in my stuff. Is this as scarce at it seems?s,?

2024-04-15 Thread ED SHARPE via cctalk
Bomar 901b My wife  found  in my stuff. Is this as scarce  at it seems?s,? Sent from AOL on Android

[cctalk] Re: IBM 350 disk and 305 drum [WAS:RE: Re: Drum memory on pdp11's? Wikipedia thinks so....]

2024-04-15 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Mon, 15 Apr 2024, Tom Gardner via cctalk wrote: The IBM 350 disk storage (RAMAC) has 5 million 6-bit characters or 3.75 MB; the actual recorded characters were 8-bits in length including a parity bit and a stop bit for each recorded 6-bit character It was announced as part of the IBM 305

[cctalk] IBM 350 disk and 305 drum [WAS:RE: Re: Drum memory on pdp11's? Wikipedia thinks so....]

2024-04-15 Thread Tom Gardner via cctalk
The IBM 350 disk storage (RAMAC) has 5 million 6-bit characters or 3.75 MB; the actual recorded characters were 8-bits in length including a parity bit and a stop bit for each recorded 6-bit character It was announced as part of the IBM 305 RAMAC system which had drum memory which as far as

[cctalk] Re: Drum memory on pdp11's? Wikipedia thinks so....

2024-04-15 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
Don't know if it's germane, but the CDC STAR-100 (Cyber 200 series) MCU used a small drum. 70s-80s. Don't recall if the stations did also. There was the "STAR Drum" blue sky that was part of the boilerplate in proposals at the time. STAR had a 512-bit wide data channel reserved for a paging

[cctalk] Re: Drum memory on pdp11's? Wikipedia thinks so....

2024-04-15 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 12:53 AM Christopher Zach via cctalk wrote: > Was reading the Wikipedia article on Drum memories: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_memory#External_links > > And came across this tidbit. > > As late as 1980, PDP-11/45 machines using magnetic core main memory > and

[cctalk] Re: Drum memory on pdp11's? Wikipedia thinks so....

2024-04-15 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Apr 15, 2024, at 1:15 PM, Tom Uban via cctalk > wrote: > > I recall around 1980, the "A" machine at Purdue University Electrical > Engineering, a PDP-11/70 running Version 7 Unix had a RS04 drum drive used > for swap. It was getting long in the tooth and when a power failure occurred,

[cctalk] Re: Drum memory on pdp11's? Wikipedia thinks so....

2024-04-15 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 10:19 AM Rick Bensene via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Bill wrote: > > The guy that took me on the tour said that the wall behind the drum had to > be specially reinforced as if the drum exited the reinforced cabinet due to > some kind of failure while at

[cctalk] Re: Drum memory on pdp11's? Wikipedia thinks so....

2024-04-15 Thread Nigel Johnson via cctalk
And on the humble Univac 418 we had the FH330. I have a picture of them somewhere On April 15, 2024 1:47:01 p.m. EDT, Van Snyder via cctalk wrote: >On Mon, 2024-04-15 at 09:25 -0400, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: >> Are drums usually word addressable? That doesn't seem necessary, not unless

[cctalk] Re: Drum memory on pdp11's? Wikipedia thinks so....

2024-04-15 Thread Van Snyder via cctalk
On Mon, 2024-04-15 at 09:25 -0400, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > Are drums usually word addressable? That doesn't seem necessary, not unless > you use them as main memory. Univac FH432, FH880, and FH1782 were word-addressable "flying head" drums, usually used for swap, on 1100-series and

[cctalk] Re: Drum memory on pdp11's? Wikipedia thinks so....

2024-04-15 Thread Rick Bensene via cctalk
Bill wrote: > I'll bet the source was talking about large contemporary storage > > units that looked like drums or may have been called "drums" but > were not actual 50's drum memory with tubes and such. There was no > > rotating drum storage, the media rotates in the PDP era. > Take a look

[cctalk] Re: Drum memory on pdp11's? Wikipedia thinks so....

2024-04-15 Thread Tom Uban via cctalk
I recall around 1980, the "A" machine at Purdue University Electrical Engineering, a PDP-11/70 running Version 7 Unix had a RS04 drum drive used for swap. It was getting long in the tooth and when a power failure occurred, someone would have to get a wrench to help spin it up as the head

[cctalk] Re: Drum memory on pdp11's? Wikipedia thinks so....

2024-04-15 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 8:00 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > A README in the root of 2.11 says: > > The following manual pages are NOT in 2.10BSD but ARE in 4.3BSD: > > and one of them is drum.4 > > so, I guess we need to look at a 4.3BSD system to find out

[cctalk] Re: Drum memory on pdp11's? Wikipedia thinks so....

2024-04-15 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
There were also spinning disk "drum" memories. I used to have one (or most of one at least). Sellam

[cctalk] Re: Drum memory on pdp11's? Wikipedia thinks so....

2024-04-15 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
There was drum storage for the early PDP-8 the "Straight 8", PDP-9 and PDP-10.  Each drum stored 32,768 words.  Up to 8 of them could be connected for a total storage of 262,144 words of storage. IBM made a 5BM drum storage unit that was the side of a small refrigerator: The RAMAC's disk

[cctalk] Re: Drum memory on pdp11's? Wikipedia thinks so....

2024-04-15 Thread Douglas Taylor via cctalk
At the VFC East just a few days ago a young man came up to me, I had a PDP11/53 on display, and showed me pictures of his 11/45 and PDP-8 that he had just acquired and needed to learn about.  It was impressive, he said the 11/45 was missing the memory boards.  If he shows up here on the list

[cctalk] Re: Drum memory on pdp11's? Wikipedia thinks so....

2024-04-15 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 12:53 AM Christopher Zach via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > As late as 1980, PDP-11/45 machines using magnetic core main memory > and drums for swapping were still in use at many of the original UNIX > sites. > > Any thoughts on what they are talking

[cctalk] Re: Drum memory on pdp11's? Wikipedia thinks so....

2024-04-15 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
A README in the root of 2.11 says: The following manual pages are NOT in 2.10BSD but ARE in 4.3BSD: and one of them is drum.4 so, I guess we need to look at a 4.3BSD system to find out what drum they are talking about. I have a feeling this is a device that works on the VAX but is actually

[cctalk] Re: Drum memory on pdp11's? Wikipedia thinks so....

2024-04-15 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 4/15/2024 9:45 AM, Jonathan Chapman via cctalk wrote: Well, I can submit a correction, but does anyone remember /dev/drum? I don't recall that in V6m or V7 Unix, I guess I could fire one of them up and see There's at least references to /dev/drum in 2.11BSD, I forget if it was in the

[cctalk] Re: Drum memory on pdp11's? Wikipedia thinks so....

2024-04-15 Thread Jonathan Chapman via cctalk
> Well, I can submit a correction, but does anyone remember /dev/drum? I > don't recall that in V6m or V7 Unix, I guess I could fire one of them up > and see There's at least references to /dev/drum in 2.11BSD, I forget if it was in the docs or actually important stuff in the source. I don't

[cctalk] Re: Drum memory on pdp11's? Wikipedia thinks so....

2024-04-15 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Apr 13, 2024, at 5:26 PM, Christopher Zach via cctalk > wrote: > > Was reading the Wikipedia article on Drum memories: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_memory#External_links I noticed the question was asked (but not answered): what is the largest storage capacity found in

[cctalk] Re: Drum memory on pdp11's? Wikipedia thinks so....

2024-04-15 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Apr 13, 2024, at 5:26 PM, Christopher Zach via cctalk > wrote: > > Was reading the Wikipedia article on Drum memories: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_memory#External_links > > And came across this tidbit. > > As late as 1980, PDP-11/45 machines using magnetic core main memory

[cctalk] Re: Drum memory on pdp11's? Wikipedia thinks so....

2024-04-15 Thread Christopher Zach via cctalk
This uncited claim was introduced 15 years ago, along with the commit comment "Hey, I saw drums (and core memory!) on PDP 11/45 hardware running UNIX v6 (pre-BSD) in 1980 ... " So, someone anonymous saw some once, somewhere, and promoted this to "many sites." Well, I can submit a correction,

[cctalk] Re: Drum memory on pdp11's? Wikipedia thinks so....

2024-04-15 Thread Paul Flo Williams via cctalk
On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 17:26:31 -0400 Christopher Zach via cctalk wrote: > Was reading the Wikipedia article on Drum memories: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_memory#External_links > > And came across this tidbit. > > As late as 1980, PDP-11/45 machines using magnetic core main memory