Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-05-22 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 5/22/20 3:34 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: On 5/22/2020 11:50 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: On 5/22/20 10:31 AM, Boris Gimbarzevsky via cctalk wrote: Recently found a movie Pirates of Silicon Valley which had some of early Microsoft history It is a work of fiction, and should be taken as

Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-05-22 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 5/22/20 3:24 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: On 5/22/2020 6:06 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 5/22/20 2:56 AM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote: Now that is really cool. Good old MS In '83 I was working for DEC and had access to things like BASIC+. I was amazed at what they could do

Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-05-22 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 5/22/20 2:56 AM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote: Now that is really cool. Good old MS In '83 I was working for DEC and had access to things like BASIC+. I was amazed at what they could do on a micoprocessor. In my early days :-) I was given a project to develop programs for an LSI-11/02

AT PC 6300

2020-05-11 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
I have never seen one mentioned but is there anyone here with an interest in these? I found a still sealed copy of the Software Development Set Ver. 2.0. What's it worth? bill

Re: Looking for a pair of DEC RL02 drives, working or otherwise

2020-05-11 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 5/10/20 8:37 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 7:05 PM Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: God, $140 is quite reasonable. Yes I think so too. And when I think of how many of them I threw out because I couldn't even give them away!! bill

Re: DEC QBUS Backplanes

2020-04-18 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
This is an interesting discussion. I may have to dig thru my boxes and see if I still have the box this backplane came in. Lots of time to do it. But, on another note, I was planning on sending it to someone when the thought occurred to me last night. I can't. I don't even know if the

Re: DEC QBUS Backplanes

2020-04-17 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 4/17/20 9:40 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: I remember the VT72 had a non-standard backplane in it, but I don't remember the details. This came out of a real PDP-11. I probably still have the box but with a bigger backplane. It was easily swapped. bill

Re: DEC QBUS Backplanes

2020-04-17 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 4/17/20 8:36 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: Hm. Plessy backplane? No name on the phenolic board part but the QBUS sockets are labeled "Digital Equipment Corporation". bill

Re: DEC QBUS Backplanes

2020-04-17 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 4/17/20 4:05 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 9:52 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: I have been sorting thru a bunch of stuff in an effort to clean the place up (Aren't we all doing that now with all this time on our hands?) I found a backplane. It says

Re: DEC QBUS Backplanes

2020-04-17 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 4/17/20 12:57 PM, Anders Nelson via cctalk wrote: Just curious - in all the backplane photos I've seen, it appears the fragile wire wrapping is always exposed without a cover protecting it from other components, fallen screws and wayward fingers in the computer cabinet. Was it ever standard

DEC QBUS Backplanes

2020-04-17 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
I have been sorting thru a bunch of stuff in an effort to clean the place up (Aren't we all doing that now with all this time on our hands?) I found a backplane. It says Digital on it but does not have an H- number. I also don;t find it listed in any of the lists I can find on the web.

Re: ICL1501 Cobol manual available

2020-04-17 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 4/17/20 10:27 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Apr 17, 2020, at 3:40 AM, nico de jong via cctalk wrote: On 2020-04-17 09:12, ben via cctalk wrote: On 4/17/2020 12:19 AM, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:00:17PM +, Tapley, Mark B. via cctalk wrote: [...]

Re: ICL1501 Cobol manual available

2020-04-17 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 4/17/20 3:12 AM, ben via cctalk wrote: On 4/17/2020 12:19 AM, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:00:17PM +, Tapley, Mark B. via cctalk wrote: [...] Tomasz, forgive me but I have to ask. You did note the date on which that announcement appeared, right? Yeah. I do

Re: Prime 50-Series emulator announcement

2020-04-16 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
Dennis, This is primarily fo0r you but I included the group as others may also be interested. A few questions. Does the emulator do a particular 50-Series machine or is it just a generic conglomeration of all possible hardware? Has any benchmarking been done to determine how it compares

Re: ICL1501 Cobol manual available

2020-04-07 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 4/7/20 2:38 PM, Neil Thompson via cctalk wrote: I never used COBOL on the 150x machines, all of our stuff was done in EBB (Extended Business Basic), which was a rather bletcherous language IIRC. I must admit, I'm rather surprised to learn that something as big a COBOL would fit on the

Re: State of New Jersey needs COBOL programmers

2020-04-06 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
Another article on this subject today. This one claims the Mainframe in question is 40 years old. Maybe it really is a 360/40. :-) bill

Re: State of New Jersey needs COBOL programmers

2020-04-06 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 4/6/20 1:35 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: One of these days, when I have time, I'll go into one of the more bizarre COBOL implementations, involving inter-process communication with "chains" of modules being resident either wholly or in part in one of several mainframes or in bulk core,

Re: State of New Jersey needs COBOL programmers

2020-04-05 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 4/5/20 6:28 PM, Peter Schow via cctalk wrote: On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 4:18 PM Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: Dijkstra was a computer scientist not a computer programmer. The two are only tangentially related! It's funny that you say this because Dijkstra explictly calls himself a

Re: State of New Jersey needs COBOL programmers

2020-04-05 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 4/5/20 6:28 PM, geneb via cctalk wrote: On Sun, 5 Apr 2020, Neil Thompson via cctalk wrote: I'm convinced that Dijksta (and anyone else who came out with similar comments were full of horseshit.  In my opinion, it's the ability to translate a real world "thing" into an algorithm that is the

Re: State of New Jersey needs COBOL programmers

2020-04-05 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 4/5/20 12:22 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: On Apr 5, 2020, at 6:41 AM, Stefan Skoglund via cctalk wrote: lör 2020-04-04 klockan 21:47 -0700 skrev Fred Cisin via cctalk: On Sat, 4 Apr 2020, Jeffrey Brace via cctalk wrote:

Re: State of New Jersey needs COBOL programmers

2020-04-05 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 4/5/20 12:54 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 4/4/20 9:47 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Sat, 4 Apr 2020, Jeffrey Brace via cctalk wrote: https://josephsteinberg.com/covid-19-response-new-jersey-urgently-needs-cobol-programmers-yes-you-read-that-correctly/ In December 1999, they

Re: State of New Jersey needs COBOL programmers

2020-04-05 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 4/4/20 11:06 PM, Jeffrey Brace via cctalk wrote: https://josephsteinberg.com/covid-19-response-new-jersey-urgently-needs-cobol-programmers-yes-you-read-that-correctly/ Yet another article loaded with BS denigrating COBOL. The product of a very flawed academic system that decided to

Re: APL-11

2020-04-04 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
Well, I have had the time to thoroughly go over what is on that RL02 Disk Image. It's disappointing. One could certainly not do an install on any of the OSes from that pack as it is very incomplete. Lots of missing file. On top of that, reading some of the files shows that there should be a

Re: APL-11

2020-03-31 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/30/20 10:30 PM, Mark Matlock via cctech wrote: According to the Ref Manual, that's the one I was looking for. Now to mount the RL on RSTS and see what it takes to build it there. I'll let the list know how I make out in case someone else is interested. bill The RL02 image is RSX

Re: REL APL-11

2020-03-31 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/31/20 8:36 AM, Paul Koning wrote: On Mar 30, 2020, at 6:32 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctech wrote: On 3/30/20 3:21 PM, Mark Matlock via cctech wrote: Bill, The APL-11 files on DECUS RSX85A are not a complete distribution but a modified version that was intended to run under I/D

Re: APL-11

2020-03-31 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/31/20 8:37 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Mar 30, 2020, at 10:30 PM, Mark Matlock via cctalk wrote: According to the Ref Manual, that's the one I was looking for. Now to mount the RL on RSTS and see what it takes to build it there. I'll let the list know how I make out in case

Re: REL APL-11

2020-03-31 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/30/20 7:45 PM, Marc Howard via cctalk wrote: The only things I remember about APL were: 1. Square divide symbol formed something that looked like a domino (1 over 1) and was the random number generator. 2. Someone always finds a way to do a moderate sized task in one line of code. The

Re: REL APL-11

2020-03-31 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/30/20 7:29 PM, Marc Howard via cctalk wrote: Stupid question time. I last used APL in a class in 1975. Back then you needed a magic terminal and/or a magic Selectric typeball. How does one input or print a program on a PDP-11 with mere mortal equipment? Thanks, Take a look at Chapter

Re: REL APL-11

2020-03-30 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/30/20 3:21 PM, Mark Matlock via cctech wrote: Bill, The APL-11 files on DECUS RSX85A are not a complete distribution but a modified version that was intended to run under I/D on M+. I have the APL-11 V2.1 source files on a RL02 disk image. I will make it available at

Re: APL-11

2020-03-30 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/30/20 2:22 PM, Zane Healy wrote: On Mar 30, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 3/30/20 12:34 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: On 3/30/20 7:58 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: Anybody have an image of the tape for APL-11? APL-11 was released through DECUS

Re: LegacyOS.org

2020-03-30 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/30/20 4:07 PM, Peter Sjoberg via cctalk wrote: I just stumbled over https://legacyos.org/ and checking here for what you say about it only to find out that it seems like you missed it. Have you all missed it or is it just not interesting ? I saw it mentioned on LinkedIn yesterday and

Re: APL-11

2020-03-30 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/30/20 12:34 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: On 3/30/20 7:58 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: Anybody have an image of the tape for APL-11? APL-11 was released through DECUS. Here is the RSX-11 version http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/RSX-11/freeware/decus/rsx85a/370360

Re: APL-11

2020-03-30 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/30/20 11:07 AM, Diane Bruce wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:58:46AM -0400, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: Haven't given up on DIBOL. May try installing the RT-11 version and see if it runs. But now another language of interest has reared its ugly head. :-) Anybody have an image

APL-11

2020-03-30 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
Haven't given up on DIBOL. May try installing the RT-11 version and see if it runs. But now another language of interest has reared its ugly head. :-) Anybody have an image of the tape for APL-11? Manual claims it runs on all of the PDP-11 OSes and it is another language from my past that

Re: DIBOL and RPG for RSTS

2020-03-28 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/27/20 8:48 PM, Paul Koning wrote: On Mar 27, 2020, at 8:42 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 3/27/20 8:25 PM, Paul Koning wrote: On Mar 27, 2020, at 6:12 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: Does anyone have a .tap image of a DIBOL install tape for RSTS? And while I am

Re: DIBOL and RPG for RSTS

2020-03-27 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/27/20 8:25 PM, Paul Koning wrote: On Mar 27, 2020, at 6:12 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: Does anyone have a .tap image of a DIBOL install tape for RSTS? And while I am at it, was there ever RPG for RSTS? I am so bored I have decided to really load up a SIMH system and just

DIBOL and RPG for RSTS

2020-03-27 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
Does anyone have a .tap image of a DIBOL install tape for RSTS? And while I am at it, was there ever RPG for RSTS? I am so bored I have decided to really load up a SIMH system and just live in the past for a while. I have Fortran-IV, Fortran-77, COBOL-81 and C installed now as well as BASIC

Re: Prime 50-Series emulator announcement

2020-03-24 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/24/20 1:25 PM, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: Bill, > Is there anywhere we can find a list of what is avaiable on each of > those images? I tried a few and at least one has all the compilers > but no emacs. Another has emacs but apparently no compilers. :-) > I'm impressed so

Re: Prime 50-Series emulator announcement

2020-03-24 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/18/20 7:51 PM, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: I've uploaded an updated set of sample system images. Jim worked through rebuilding the disk files with more filesystem and paging space, and we enhanced the run script wrapper a bit. There are also a couple of help text tweaks, system startup

Re: VAX/VMS 3.0 Distribution Available for Download

2020-03-22 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/21/20 9:41 PM, Nemo Nusquam via cctalk wrote: On 03/21/20 20:39, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: On 21/03/2020 21:43, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: The SYSTEM password is MANAGER. Just like the old days. Times were different then :-) Wasn't the FIELD account password SERVICE?

Re: VAX/VMS 3.0 Distribution Available for Download

2020-03-21 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/21/20 8:08 AM, Supratim Sanyal via cctalk wrote: John Dundas' distribution of VAX/VMS version 3.0 (April 1982) can now be downloaded from my Dropbox. That was the version I started with!! Boy does that seem like a lifetime ago. bill

Re: NetBSD on a VAX 3100 (DV-31AT1-A)

2020-03-20 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/18/20 10:02 AM, David Kuder via cctalk wrote: It was pretty bad last time I tried to run NetBSD on my vaxen. Back around NetBSD 1.5.2 or something like that I was able to install via mopboot on my MicroVax 3600 and a few VaxStation 3100's. Years later I tried to boot it up again and it

Re: Prime 50-Series emulator announcement

2020-03-12 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
All I can say is Wow!! I have wanted to see this for quite some time. It took no time at all to build the emulator and I fired it up with Rev 19.2 which was the one I had the most experience with in the past. Came up very nicely. Really sorry I got rid of all that Prime documentation. :-(

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-11 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/11/20 6:26 PM, Katherine Barto wrote: On Mar 11, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: On 3/11/20 3:59 PM, James B DiGriz via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 08:08:43 -0700 Al Kossow via cctalk <mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.or

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-11 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/11/20 5:24 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2020, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: Bob Supnik got Unisys to release the sources to BTOS while he was VP of engineering, but we've never been able to find a copy of them. They outsourced support to India, and all traces to what

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-11 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/11/20 3:59 PM, James B DiGriz via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 08:08:43 -0700 Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: Release of Classic HP3000 died for the same reason from the same company. After HP bought TI's DSG lines, TI SysV was eventually turned over to a 3rd party, who has so far

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-11 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/10/20 9:24 PM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote: On 11/03/2020 01:02, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote: On 3/10/2020 6:46 PM, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote: Having worked for them in also not surprised. When they absorbed Compaq their culture changed.  Significantly for the worse. I'd

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/10/20 2:31 AM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Rod Smallwood via cctalk Sent: 10 March 2020 04:14 To: Fred Cisin via cctalk Subject: Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing On 10/03/2020 02:19, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/10/20 12:13 AM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 10 Mar 2020, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote: So. At the end of the day there are three paths. 1.  Accept that HP doesn't give two hoots about hobbyists and patch the abandoned operating system to fix the problem. 2. Declare that we

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-10 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/9/20 10:19 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 10 Mar 2020, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote: So. At the end of the day there are three paths. 1.  Accept that HP doesn't give two hoots about hobbyists and patch the abandoned operating system to fix the problem. 2. Declare that we need to

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-09 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/9/20 1:33 PM, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote: On 3/9/2020 12:20 PM, Eric Smith wrote: On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 4:32 PM John H. Reinhardt via cctalk mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote:     I would think that those that already have legal VAX PAKs/licenses could still run them. It's

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

2020-03-07 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/7/20 9:10 AM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: On Mar 7, 2020, at 5:00 AM, Michael Kerpan via cctalk wrote: Well that's sad news. Since VMS Software may or may not ever launch a proper hobbyist program and has stated that they don't have the ability to issue licenses for VAX versions of

Re: Design flaw in the SCSI spec?

2020-01-08 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 1/8/20 6:44 PM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: > > > On 1/8/2020 9:54 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: >> With his express permission, I'm forwarding a mail from a public list. >> I am interested in Gene's comments about the design of SCSI, but I >> don't know enough electronics to judge. >>

Re: Value of Altair 8800b

2019-12-21 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 12/21/19 2:42 PM, David Williams via cctalk wrote: > Trying to figure out a fair value for the following: > > Altair 8800b with two Altair floppy drives. System is clean but hasn't > been turned on since the 70s. No software or manuals available. Contains > the follow boards: > > 1 CPU > 2

Re: Is IBM RPG classic?

2019-12-17 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 12/16/19 9:24 AM, Guy N. via cctalk wrote: > On Sun, 2019-12-15 at 20:16 -0800, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: >> Dijkstra had clever nasty things to say about many programming languages. >> I can't find his opinion about RPG. > > Unprintable, even on the interwebs? :-) > > Thanks for all the

Re: Is IBM RPG classic?

2019-12-15 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 12/15/19 1:40 PM, Dave Wade wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Bill Gunshannon >> via cctalk >> Sent: 15 December 2019 17:31 >> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org >> Subject: Re: Is IBM RPG classic? >> >> On 12/15/19 11:4

Re: Is IBM RPG classic?

2019-12-15 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 12/15/19 11:40 AM, Guy N. via cctalk wrote: > Is it classic enough to ask about on this list? Can't say about the list, but rather than classic the usual term for these systems is legacy. > > A friend of mine finds himself in the awkward position of being asked to > take on some RPG

Re: 8 inch floppies

2019-12-13 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 12/13/19 7:10 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 12/13/19 2:54 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: >> On Fri, 13 Dec 2019, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: >>> MDS was my guess also.   The MDS boxes ran the standard CP/M distro from >>> DRI--no customization needed. (The same was true for MP/M--a

Re: 8 inch floppies

2019-12-13 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 12/13/19 3:52 PM, David Barto via cctalk wrote: > Those would have fit a Terak system for UCSD Pascal. I’ve still got a few > stuffed in a closet. > David > >> On Dec 13, 2019, at 12:09 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> anyone know what system these floppies are for? >>

Re: P112

2019-12-03 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 12/3/19 8:15 PM, Fred Cisin via cctech wrote: > On Wed, 4 Dec 2019, Bill Gunshannon via cctech wrote: >> Along this line I have solved one problem.  I mentioned INIT in >> RSX180 printing gibberish on the screen when trying to init a >> hard disk partition where it h

Re: P112

2019-12-03 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 12/3/19 7:51 PM, Craig Ruff via cctech wrote: > Just in case someone else hasn't already responded, the P112 does not use DOS > style fdisk partitioning for a hard disk. It is done in the BIOS image, and > then the logical disks have to be initialized. This is described in the "P112 > GIDE

Re: P112

2019-12-02 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 12/2/19 8:36 PM, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: > > The menu you get when you hit Escape on startup has an option for > > setting a floppy as 8". Mine is ROM 5.7 which I believe is the next > > to last. Unless it is different than the other CP/M systems I have > > FORMAT should have

Re: P112

2019-12-02 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 12/2/19 4:55 PM, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: > > Well, I have the dBit FDADAP. Works great. I have used them before > > on a PC to access PDP-11 disks from PUTR and E11. The P112 claims to > > support 8" but I am finding it unlikely. If it (well, at least the > > OSes it runs)

Re: P112

2019-12-02 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 12/2/19 11:31 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: > > > As far as 8-inch drives are concerned, you would need to do exactly > everything you would need to do to hook up an 8-inch drive to a PC, > since the P112 uses a PC SuperIO chip for the FDC, and the floppy > headers have PC pinouts and signal

Re: P112

2019-11-30 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 11/30/19 8:28 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: >>> A lot could depend on how the software is interpreting the FDC return >>> codes. >>> >>> In the case of PC BIOS (765), error code number 4) that would mean that > > On Sun, 1 Dec 2019, Bill Gunshann

Re: P112

2019-11-30 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 11/30/19 7:37 PM, dwight via cctalk wrote: > Don't 8 inch drives have 77 tracks? Give that man a cigar. Apparently the P112 doesn't know the format of 8" disks even though it has an option to set a drive as 8" in the config. bill

Re: P112

2019-11-30 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 11/30/19 7:16 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > On Sat, 30 Nov 2019, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: >> I'll start with the simple and funny one.  If i run FORMAT >> it formats all 80 tracks.  :-)  Seems like the definition >> for an 8" disk as selected in the

Re: P112

2019-11-30 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 11/30/19 9:15 AM, emanuel stiebler wrote: > On 2019-11-29 19:01, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: >> >> Let's try again with the right name in the Subject line! >> >> It's not really classic (although it does try to pretend to be >> but does anyone here do

Re: Free: USENIX publications (Computing Systems and late 90s ;login:)

2019-11-30 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 11/30/19 1:40 AM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > > > On 11/29/19 2:59 PM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: >> >> I am continuing to clean out stuff from my office and today's items >> are printed copies of the USENIX publications Computing Systems (early >> 90s) and ;login: (late 90s). The

P112

2019-11-29 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
Let's try again with the right name in the Subject line! It's not really classic (although it does try to pretend to be but does anyone here do anything with the P112 SBC? I am trying to get 8" disks running on it but I am seeing some rather strange behavior. bill

Re: P118

2019-11-29 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 11/29/19 9:48 AM, Mark G Thomas wrote: > Hi Bill, > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 02:29:45PM +0000, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: >> >> It's not really classic (although it does try to pretend to be :-) >> but does anyone here do anything with the P118 SBC? I a

P118

2019-11-29 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
It's not really classic (although it does try to pretend to be :-) but does anyone here do anything with the P118 SBC? I am trying to get 8" disks running on it but I am seeing some rather strange behavior. bill

Re: First Internet message and ...

2019-11-27 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 11/27/19 1:00 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > > >> On Nov 27, 2019, at 10:54 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> On 11/26/19 10:17 PM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote: >>> Chuck, >>> I don't know anything about this system. I don't

Re: First Internet message and ...

2019-11-27 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 11/26/19 10:17 PM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote: > Chuck, >     I don't know anything about this system. I don't consider Minis and > MainFrames to be Personal Computers. It must fit in a small room, run on > a 120VAC 5Amp service, and not require 3 tons of AC to keep it cool to > fit in

Re: First Internet message and ...

2019-11-26 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 11/26/19 1:32 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > I figure the record will finally be set straight after all of the people > involved at time cited are dead. > > Such is history. > You mean like how history says Columbus discovered America and Marconi invented radio. :-) bill

Re: First Internet message and ...

2019-11-25 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 11/25/19 2:56 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 11/25/19 11:38 AM, William Donzelli wrote: >>> Does nobody remember AUTODIN? >> >> Basically, no. > > Yeah. That's what I thought--or even WWMCCS. > Well, just to keep a lot people from going to bed tonite in tears. :-) Having been

Re: swtpc.com expired???

2019-11-04 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 11/4/19 12:55 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > Happens all of the time...people lelt domain regs lapse for a few days, I > am sure it'll be back up soon Probably as a porn site. :-( bill

Re: DIBOL manual

2019-10-14 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 10/13/19 5:35 PM, Wayne S via cctalk wrote: > In 1981-1987 i worked for a company that used the MCBA system subroutines to > develop a system to do trust plan administration for labor unions. Mostly it > was remote data entry by the unions themselves over leased lines using black > box

Re: IBM MST extender cards

2019-10-11 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 10/11/19 12:29 AM, Mark Linimon via cctalk wrote: > On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 10:16:34AM +1000, Steve Malikoff via cctalk wrote: >> That wire wrap tool is identical to one my dad had in his CE toolkit > > I ... should take it from this that people don't just *own* these anymore? > > This was an

Re: Fwd: [TUHS] Recovered!!! The Georgia Tech Software Tools Subystem for Prime Computers

2019-09-27 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 9/27/19 5:20 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > Have been on the road, and I just noticed this announcement on the TUHS > list. > I'd been trying to find this for a long time So had I. Glad to see it recovered. I had contacted GIT more than a decade ago and was told all of it had been

Re: eBay: 1982 Prime Computer

2019-08-21 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 8/21/19 2:46 PM, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: > > I gave a 2250 away two decades ago. With no software to run > > (legally) they just make good doorstops. > > While Bill's certainly welcome to operate according to the above, all > indications are that nobody gives a rat's ass any more

Re: eBay: 1982 Prime Computer

2019-08-21 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 8/20/19 12:05 PM, Jon Auringer via cctalk wrote: > Jay, > > - Original Message - >> From: "Jay West" >> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 2:30:11 PM >> Subject: RE: eBay: 1982 Prime Computer >> >> So I took a chance.

Re: Electr* Engineering

2019-08-13 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 8/13/19 2:05 AM, Adam Thornton via cctalk wrote: > At Rice in the early 90s the department was "Electrical and Computer > Engineering" if my hazy memory serves. > > The genealogy of Computer Science departments (and their curricula) (at least > in the US) is also weird and

Re: Pertec Interface Cable Length

2019-08-11 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 8/11/19 9:07 AM, W2HX via cctech wrote: >> Would folding the > excess cable up and covering with anti-static plastic help? > > unlikely. The typical problem is that the longer the cable, the higher the > capacitance of the transmission line. Therefore you get a lot of problems > with rising

Re: eBay: PDP-8/A KL8A serial line card

2019-08-08 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 8/7/19 3:07 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > > From: Paul Anderson > > > $325?? > > Well, they did list it with a 'Best Offer'. I figure the third time they get > an offer of US$100 (or whatever the thing is actually worth, I don't track > PDP-8 board values), it might become

Re: dBase IV for VAX/VMS (was WordPerfect 5.1+ for VMS)

2019-07-19 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 7/19/19 4:04 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > >> On Jul 18, 2019, at 8:58 PM, Eric Dittman via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> On 7/18/2019 12:26 AM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: >>> On a related note, was there ever a copy of dBase III or dBase IV for >>> VAX/VMS? I know there was a version of

Re: 5 1/4 diskettes available

2019-07-11 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 7/10/19 2:32 PM, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: > BG Micro, a surplus electronics dealer I buy from sometimes, has diskettes > for sale. I don't know anything about them, but thought it may be of > interest. I have no affiliation other than being a customer on their mailing > list. > Here is

Re: 5 1/4 diskettes available

2019-07-11 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 7/11/19 12:29 AM, Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrote: > At 08:27 PM 10/07/2019 -0700, Grumpy Ol' Fred wrote: >> The 5.25" diskette or "Mini-diskette" is bar napkin size, because Dr. Wang >> said that 8" diskettes were too big. I have not been able to track down >> WHICH bar. > > Perhaps the same bar

Re: Email delivery protocols / methods.

2019-07-09 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 7/9/19 9:14 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > >> On Jul 8, 2019, at 11:27 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> ... >> On 7/6/19 12:57 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: >>> There's the MAIL-11 protocol (end to end, no MTAs) and the DECmail protocol >>> which may be some OSI-like

Re: Email delivery protocols / methods.

2019-07-05 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 7/5/19 5:28 PM, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: > > · FidoNet (FTN) > > As long as we're being silly, this isn't really one protocol. There are > a number of different ones, which can probably mostly be characterized > as thin wrappers (FTS-0001, Yoohoo(/2u2), etc) around common file >

Re: DecNet / Linux

2019-07-03 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 7/3/19 9:05 AM, E. Groenenberg via cctalk wrote: > > > On Wed, July 3, 2019 14:39, John Many Jars via cctalk wrote: >> Say, can anyone tell me which version of the kernel was the last one to >> work with Decnet? >> >> Does anyone know what the actual issues are? My friend who does kernel >>

Re: NASA Ames (Moffet Field) Computation Division?

2019-07-02 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 7/1/19 11:34 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > Anyone know what hardware was at NASA Ames in the late 70s? I've got > some tapes from there and would like to avoid guessing. > > --Chuck > I'm sure there was a lot, but at least some were VAX/VMS. bill

Re: unix developed on 11/20 with 20 on panel or machine that just said pdp/11?

2019-06-20 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 6/19/19 10:20 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: > On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 9:23 PM Bob Smith via cctalk > wrote: >> My recollection, Unix on the 11 started with the 20 but because of the >> limited capabilties, it really was done on the /45. > > The good stuff, yes, but it was still

Re: Modems and external dialers.

2019-06-05 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 6/5/19 12:30 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 at 18:27, John Labovitz via cctalk > wrote: > >> >> I do recall a little handheld device with a touchtone keyboard that you >> could fit over the microphone of a normal handset. It wasn’t automated, but >> at least you

Re: Modems and external dialers.

2019-06-04 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 6/4/19 9:45 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > Does anyone have any experience working with modems that didn't include > internal / auto dialers? > > They came up in a conversation in a newsgroup and I realized that I know > of them, but know virtually nothing about them. > > I think they

Re: 11/93 rebuild

2019-05-27 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 5/27/19 9:58 AM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote: > Hi > >     Whilst I wait to hear from Glen Slick who has got me this far > (Thanks Glen) I'll restate the problem. > > 1. I now have an old XP system with SIMH on it (PDP11.exe) > > 2.  I have created RD54.dsk containing RSTS/E > > 3.

Re: 11/93 Rebuild

2019-05-27 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 5/27/19 4:56 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote: > On Mon, 27 May 2019, Rod Smallwood wrote: >>   On an old XP box?  er neither will run > > My reply was meant as a hint. You should be able to find a dd-like tool > for Windows yourself ;-) Either by using a old version of Cygwin (there >

Re: 11/93 Rebuild

2019-05-27 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 5/27/19 4:30 AM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote: > Hi > >   On an old XP box?  er neither will run > > Rod > > > On 27/05/2019 08:25, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote: >> # dd if=RD54.dsk of=/dev/sda  [or whatever the device name is] >> >> Oh, you said Windows... I'd recommend installing

Re: TU58FS

2019-05-26 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 5/25/19 9:37 PM, Jay Jaeger via cctalk wrote: > On 5/23/2019 10:07 PM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote: >> Hi >> >>     It does not have to be done using TU58. >> >> If you would be so kind as to explain the bit about SIMH and dd. >> >> What to do is good.. How even better. >> >> If I can get 

Re: "industrial" PDP-11

2019-05-18 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 5/18/19 8:56 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > From: Paul Anderson > > > They did make the RT100, RT340, etc. which were rugidized versions or > > the VTs. > > We also ran into a VT52 (I think, although possibly it was a VT100) which > apparently had been TEMPEST secured;

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