Re: Installing an operating system on the 11/83 - update.

2022-02-22 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
From the FDC point of view, which doesn't have optical view of the drive and media, the 80 track DD 5.25" looks similar to a "720K 3.5" drive. (80 tracks, 9 sectors per track, 300 RPM, 250K data transgfer rate) On SOME PCs, setting the CMOS floppy setting to "720K" may take care of it. On Tu

Re: Installing an operating system on the 11/83 - update.

2022-02-22 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
DD 5.25" disks are about 300 Oersted. HD 5.25" disks are about 600 Oersted. If you use HD disks to write DD content, the data fades away real fast. However, on 3.5" disks, the difference is more like 600 Oersted VS 750 Oersted, and you may get away with using the wrong disk. 360K disks are te

Re: Installing an operating system on an 11/83

2022-02-21 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: I think installing 30 floppy disks would be an exercise in insanity: No arguments there. That would probably wear down an RX50 drive to the nubbins. Are RX50 drives less robust than what was used to install Windoze 95?

Re: Origin of "partition" in storage devices

2022-02-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Covering more distance in the same time means increased speed to me! On Tue, 1 Feb 2022, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: Clearly, on a disk, the outer tracks ARE moving faster, in terms of linear velocity. If the data is written at a constant data transfer rate, and the motion of the disk is the

Re: Origin of "partition" in storage devices

2022-02-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Many/most? early drives were CAV (Constant Angeular Velocity) with the same amount of data on each track. Therefore, the data transfer rate, once on the right track, was the same. BUT, the bits were physically closer to each other on the inner (higher numbered) tracks, and the error rate was s

Re: Origin of "partition" in storage devices

2022-02-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Tue, 1 Feb 2022, Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote: FAT's *file* size limitation is indeed due to a 32 bit field. The ISO 9660 standard offers an "interesting" solution to that, namely having multiple directory entries for the same filename. So if you want to store files larger than 4GiB on a CD-

Re: Origin of "partition" in storage devices

2022-01-31 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
ences I see are: (1) layering: the partition is below the file system. (2) partitions are originally entirely static (set at creation and never changed) and even later on changed only rarely and typically with substantial technical difficulty. paul -- Fred Cisin

Re: Origin of "partition" in storage devices

2022-01-31 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Mon, 31 Jan 2022, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: I think the same type of problem happened with the really old FAT-12 to FAT-16 conversion. Wasn't FAT-12 limited to something near 31 MB? On Mon, 31 Jan 2022, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: 32 MebiBytes - 1 On Mon, 31 Jan 2022, geneb

Re: Origin of "partition" in storage devices

2022-01-31 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Mon, 31 Jan 2022, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: I think the same type of problem happened with the really old FAT-12 to FAT-16 conversion. Wasn't FAT-12 limited to something near 31 MB? 32 MebiBytes - 1

Re: Origin of "partition" in storage devices

2022-01-31 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Mon, 31 Jan 2022, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: Partitions may have appeared in DOS/Windows for much the same reason; with 32 KB clusters, FAT16 filesystems were limited to 2GB. I distinctly recall having to use partitions when I bought a 13GB hard drive for my Windows 95 machine (FAT32 only

Re: AOL diskettes

2022-01-18 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
What's the going price for a Cray round sofa/bench?

Re: AOL diskettes

2022-01-18 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
I can only conclude you needed something to save the surface on one of these... https://www.thisiswhyimbroke.com/floppy-disk-table/ On Tue, 18 Jan 2022, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: I just love that table Although the ad says "1.44 megabytes", it is a 720K. The write enable notch is not o

Re: AOL diskettes

2022-01-18 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Tue, 18 Jan 2022, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: I can only conclude you needed something to save the surface on one of these... https://www.thisiswhyimbroke.com/floppy-disk-table/ I have a RAMAC platter. (24" diameter; arguably FIRST hard disk, from 1958?; when they wouldn't let Nikita K

Re: Women of Computing

2021-12-04 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
I really want to see this set produced, especially for the ???Ada Lovelace??? and ???Admiral Hopper??? portions of the set. https://ideas.lego.com/blogs/a4ae09b6-0d4c-4307-9da8-3ee9f3d368d6/post/f39b7001-bf76-46ba-9d61-cb586f1c7a7d https://ideas.lego.com/projects/3bf5b46c-6c87-4a2d-a2e1-d31ed0e2

Re: Jim Warren has passed away

2021-11-25 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 26 Nov 2021, dwight via cctalk wrote: Wasn't it Jim that had the house overlooking the Pacific ocean that was off Skyline Blvd? Dwight Yes I was never at that house, he came to Berkeley instead, but I'd heard about it. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com

Re: Jim Warren has passed away

2021-11-25 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
When he founded DDJ ("dr. dobb's journal Of Tiny BASIC Calisthenics And Orthodontia : Running Light Without Overbyte"), they considered it to be a reference, not a newspaper, and kept reprints of the old issues available in bound form. But, after Jim was gone, the title became merely "Dr. Dobb

Re: Re: Anyone want … Creo Brisque badges

2021-11-23 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Tue, 23 Nov 2021, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: Forgive me but I can't resist. "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stinking_badges :-) Bill Thank you.

Re: Does anybody have documentation or know about the OKI IF800/300 a.k.a. Sumicom System 830

2021-11-17 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
I also had a disk for Oki (don't know if same model) with the Microsoft Stand-Alone BASIC, instead of CP/M. On Mon, 15 Nov 2021, pleasefixthisbrick via cctech wrote: Unfortunately, the model 20 was a different architecture all together. I have begun looking into Japanese museums. Maybe there

Re: IEEE-488 on the PDP-11

2021-11-16 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Tue, 16 Nov 2021, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove via cctalk wrote: Hmm now that I'm reminded that a large proportion of Commodore's "stuff" was IEEE 488 or a serialized version thereof. Was that called "IEC"? I kind of want to see now if an IBV11 and Commodore 1541 can be abused into cooperatin

Re: I-4004

2021-11-16 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Tue, 16 Nov 2021, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: Did the 4004 chip start our interest in microcomputing? For ME, hearing about the 4004 was the first solid assurance that tabletop computers would become available. I heard some mentions of it from cow- orkers at Goddard Space Flight Ce

Re: Does anybody have documentation or know about the OKI IF800/300 a.k.a. Sumicom System 830

2021-11-12 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Thu, 11 Nov 2021, pleasefixthisbrick via cctech wrote: I seem to have the only one in America, and I am trying to find documentation on it.  I have already backed up ROM's and it's custom CP/M build.   I am looking for in depth documentation that I can reference to get this machine functioni

RE: The Prolok Saga (Was: Applesauce FDC

2021-11-02 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Vault Corporation produced "Prolok" with a physical defect. To make it On Tue, 2 Nov 2021, Ali wrote: Which could be defeated w/ the Copy II Plus Enhanced Option board: http://retro.icequake.net/dob/img/eob/ There were many ways around it. Because Vault didn't write a new software package f

The Prolok Saga (Was: Applesauce FDC

2021-11-02 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Tue, 2 Nov 2021, dwight via cctalk wrote: The trickiest protection I've seen is where there is a hole punched through the disk on one track. The idea is that the protected program writes to that track and expects to see a failure to read that track. It doesn'tneed to be a hole all the way thr

Re: Overclocked TI Silent 703 at 1200 bauds?

2021-10-31 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sun, 31 Oct 2021, Charles via cctalk wrote: Please excuse the hijack: I have two Silent 700's, I think the 745 models with acoustic coupler and 110/300 baud rocker switch. One I have fixed and it works great (well, at least as far as that silvery thermal printout goes). I've seen ELECTRO

Re: 8" disk drive questions...

2021-10-31 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sun, 31 Oct 2021, geneb via cctalk wrote: I've got the maintenance guide, so I'll look to see what is there when I get a chance, thanks. I didn't see anything in the manual about how to handle the two index sensors, or to deactivate one of them. In normal use, it should be transparent to

RE: 8" disk drive questions...

2021-10-31 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
One of my first products to market, the "Berkeley Microcomputer FlipJig", was a plexiglass "pocket" with holes, for marking diskettes for punching the extra holes. The "deluxe" model had a stub spindle on the outside and a ring, for putting on hub reinforcers. On Sun, 31 Oct 2021, Ali wrote:

Re: 8" disk drive questions...

2021-10-31 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sun, 31 Oct 2021, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: Gene, are you certain that these aren't "flippy disks" (two index apertures)? And, if you punch a THIRD hole, then the disk could be used DS, OR Flippy! One of my first products to market, the "Berkeley Microcomputer FlipJig", was a plexigla

Re: 8" disk drive questions...

2021-10-31 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Put a piece of opaque tape over one of the holes. Make sure that it is solidly attached. I used to use write protect tabs. But aged write protect tabs rarely still stick well. And, it is a hassle to dig out ones that have fallen off inside the drive. I ran most of my 8" drives without cases, so i

Fred (Was: cctalk Digest, Vol 85, Issue 7

2021-10-11 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Miser at miser.net? Still sounds pretty grumpy, though... On Mon, 11 Oct 2021, a "Fred" via cctalk wrote: Nah, not grumpy. Just cheap and/or frugal. ;) I also do not claim to the be the other (Grumpy) Fred. Nobody wants to be confused with me. I did EAM and FORTRAN in the 1960s, Got out of a

Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 85, Issue 3

2021-10-06 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
That is a DIFFERENT "Fred" -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com On Wed, 6 Oct 2021, Fred via cctalk wrote: Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 19:54:02 -0700 From: "Ali" Procomm was the first terminal program I used that was easy to understand and work with. Of course I was using it m

Re: Found my favorite DOS editor

2021-09-28 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Tue, 28 Sep 2021, John Herron via cctalk wrote: For those of you who wrote your own editors. How did you display special ASCII characters? Years ago, In highschool I tried writing a hex editor (in qbasic so this may have been the problem) but when display anything that had a function like chr

Re: Found my favorite DOS editor

2021-09-28 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
"I've been using vi for about two years, mostly because I can't figure out how to exit it." :q you're welcome Or having to power cycle the machine to get out of EMACS. On Tue, 28 Sep 2021, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: To Exit EMACS:?? Control-X Control-C I once saw a car with a vanity pl

Re: Found my favorite DOS editor

2021-09-28 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Tue, 28 Sep 2021, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: Editors are like religion once you have a favorite you defend it like crazy. "Baby Duck Syndrome": you bond to the first one. Any time you are tempted to switch, everything that any other one does differently is "just all wrong". If you are e

Re: An American perspective on the late great Sir Clive Sinclair, from Fast Company

2021-09-27 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
My girlfriend commented to me that Americans don't understand London"s Fleet Street scene of the 70's and early 80s and how Sinclair products were represented there. In the US the "Timex Sinclair TS-1000" was a budget $99 computer for sale in Hallmark gift stores and its marketing represented

Re: Death of Clive SInclair

2021-09-19 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sun, 19 Sep 2021, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: Clive SInclair was a British entrepreneur who designed and built very small computers back in the early days of 8-bit computing. Whether he created a 'first' as Fred argues doesn't lessen his role in microcomputing history. Let's celebrate

Re: R.I.P. Clive Sinclair

2021-09-18 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sat, 18 Sep 2021, dwight via cctalk wrote: Of course, Busicom was the first programed microprocessor driven calculator, it wasn't the first calculator using calculator ICs. That is what Busicom was trying to compete with, when going to Intel in the first place. I think that the Sinclair us

Re: R.I.P. Clive Sinclair

2021-09-18 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Clive Sinclair died at 81 after a long illness (probably not Covid) 'course now he is touted as being "the inventor of the pocket calculator" (as with all "FIRST"s, it leaves out a few predecessors,such as Busicom (1971, whose contract with Intel led to the 4004), Kilby's 1967 "Cal Tech" at TI,

R.I.P. Clive Sinclair

2021-09-18 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Clive Sinclair died at 81 after a long illness (probably not Covid) 'course now he is touted as being "the inventor of the pocket calculator" (as with all "FIRST"s, it leaves out a few predecessors,such as Busicom (1971, whose contract with Intel led to the 4004), Kilby's 1967 "Cal Tech" at TI

Re: Anyone remember Kel-Am connectors?

2021-08-26 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
https://www.elliottelectronicsupply.com/connectors/card-edge/male-card-edge-idc-connector-34-position-kel-am-idc34m.html On Fri, 27 Aug 2021, Doug Jackson wrote: We can synthesise those with a Female edge connector and a nice Gold Plated set of long fingers. I agree - those connectors were beau

Re: Anyone remember Kel-Am connectors?

2021-08-26 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On 8/25/21 2:29 AM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: When I worked at Apparat around 1981, we used a lot of *male* IDC edge card connectors. I've almost never seen any since, and I couldn't remember the name of the vendor. I just found out that it was Kel-Am, but the internet knows almost nothing abo

Re: CWVG

2021-08-25 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
For 100tpi, there also existed Tandon TM100-4M drives.  The M stood for "Micropolis".   One of the TM100-4M drives that I had did not have the 'M' on the label. On Wed, 25 Aug 2021, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: The early Micropolis 48 tpi drives (1015 Mod I) were spec-ed at 35 tracks. That's

Re: Extremely CISC instructions

2021-08-25 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
That is not how C defines bytes or ints, fyi. On Wed, 25 Aug 2021, ben via cctalk wrote: I suspect the standard says a byte is at least 7 bits. Thus 8 bit data is NOT PORTABLE. I don't know from "the standard", but, K&R said that an "int" could be whatever size was most convenient for the pro

Re: CWVG

2021-08-25 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 25 Aug 2021, Jay Jaeger via cctalk wrote: I don't have that code, however a couple of points: First of all, I think Vector Graphic actually used Micropolis drives (and I suspect yours are because of the hard sectoring). I have Micropolis drives on my Altair. Back in 2006 I imaged my f

Re: Archiving otrona attache disks

2021-08-24 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
The 96tpi ones are 800K, and should be treated like any other "Quad Density" CP/M disk. On Tue, 24 Aug 2021, geneb via cctech wrote: Just for my own curiosity, can a "typical" high-density 5.25" drive correctly image a 96tpi disk? USUALLY. Either the drive needs to be able to switch to 300 RP

Re: Archiving otrona attache disks

2021-08-24 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Tue, 24 Aug 2021, Bill Degnan wrote: Fred, Just for the purpose of imaging the disks, is there any reason I cant treat these disks like any other 5 1/4" cpm 360k disk? Bill Treat them just like any other 5.25" MFM CP/M disk. IIRC, the 48TPI ones are 400K, with 512 bytes per sector, 10 sector

Re: C.mmp OS

2021-08-22 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
The answer to the question is Hydra I believe. On Sun, 22 Aug 2021, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: But since you are not replying to anything, we don't know what the question _was_ ... If "drugs, sex, and rock'n'roll" is not the answer, then you are asking the wrong question.

Re: Archiving otrona attache disks

2021-08-20 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 20 Aug 2021, Bill Degnan via cctech wrote: Is there a simh for the otrona attache? I have some.disk images created with Dunfield's utility..if not I will try to read them by using the Zorba portable, which is pretty good with varied formats. Bill Otrona is fairly straightforward for fo

Re: 30 yrs. ago

2021-08-13 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 13 Aug 2021, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: 30 years ago this month the IBM PC debuted at $1565. Some say this began the era of mass-computing and it is now what classiccmp.org is all about! For those interested in the OS world LINUX is 30 years old. Time has passed but this is what

Compilers and languages (Was: Help reading a 9 track tape

2021-08-02 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Some might argue with you about that.  PL/M was done in Fortran IV. A REAL programmer can write a FORTRAN program in any language. A REAL programmer can write any program in FORTRAN.  (although, it is often the wrong tool for the job, possibly resulting in too much work and poorer performance.)

Re: Help reading a 9 track tape

2021-08-02 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Mon, 2 Aug 2021, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: Some might argue with you about that. PL/M was done in Fortran IV. A REAL programmer can write a FORTRAN program in any language. A REAL programmer can write any program in FORTRAN. (although, it is often the wrong tool for the job, poss

Re: Branching the thread away from Compaq deskpro boards: "What We Have Lost"

2021-08-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sun, 1 Aug 2021, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: Would the 68K have succeeded if it were not for Apple and Commodore? Without your engineering expertise, I would still say, "YES". (I was reading Infoworld, etc., as compared to you designing the machines) Before we heard anything about Apple

Re: Reading MT/ST Tapes

2021-07-30 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
pessimist who would have called it 'Half Empty ST'... On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 9:17 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Yep. And, it was not appreciated when I suggested an interim release between the MT/ST emulator and "Full-ST" to be called "Half Full ST" On Fri, 3

Re: Reading MT/ST Tapes

2021-07-30 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Yep. And, it was not appreciated when I suggested an interim release between the MT/ST emulator and "Full-ST" to be called "Half Full ST" On Fri, 30 Jul 2021, grif...@mindspring.com wrote: Scope Creep.. no telling how many projects died in stalled development. On Jul

Re: Reading MT/ST Tapes

2021-07-30 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 30 Jul 2021, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: Not really--it's very old technology, (1964), of limited capacity (about 20 KB per tape), was a hideously expensive way to buy a typewriter (about USD$7000 in 1964, or about USD$61,000 today), used almost exclusively in large corporate offices to

Re: Skew vs. interleave

2021-07-30 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 30 Jul 2021, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote: There's a small discussion on S100computers about the terms 'skew' and 'interleave'. In CP/M documentation 'skew' refers to what's usually called interleave these days, i.e. offsetting sectors on a track to compensate for the fact that by the time

RE: VCF - west!

2021-07-29 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Thu, 29 Jul 2021, Mark Huffstutter wrote: It sure is, Fred! I bought My tickets, and now it looks likely I won't be able to attend It's coming right up. https://vcfed.org/wp/festivals/vintage-computer-festival-west/ GREAT! That says: Saturday, August 7 (2021) 10:00 - 6:00 Sunday, A

VCF - west?

2021-07-29 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
I heard a rumor that VCF is going to happen again! But, I have seen NO MENTION of that on this mailing list. Is it happening? Will everybody be there? It is now relatively short notice, and between that, not having a station wagon or van, and health issues, I won't be able to pack up and bri

Re: Compaq Deskpro boards/hard drives from the late 1990s

2021-07-26 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
I would have borrowed a 2nd floppy drive from another system, done the copy, and returned the floppy drive. It would probably have been faster. On Mon, 26 Jul 2021, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: You know, that's an excellent idea and I wish I'd thought of it then. My desktop was an IBM PC-AT a

Re: Install Floppies (Was: Compaq Deskpro boards/hard drives from

2021-07-26 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Mon, 26 Jul 2021, Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote: HD disks can hold "up to" 2MB (12,500 bytes per track, times two sides, times 80 tracks), as printed on some of the more misleadingly-labelled brands. However, splitting that into sectors and adding guard bands reduces the usable space. Similar

Re: Distribution floppies (Was: Microsoft OSs (was: Install Floppies)

2021-07-25 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
From: cctalk on behalf of Fred Cisin via cctalk Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2021 3:27 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Distribution floppies (Was: Microsoft OSs (was: Install Floppies) On Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 10:41 AM Grant Taylor via cctalk <

Re: Install Floppies (Was: Compaq Deskpro boards/hard drives from

2021-07-25 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
My recollection of the DMF Microsoft period was that if you purchased a retail MS product using the DMF format and couldn't get it read on your system, a call to MS would result in a standard format copy being shipped. On Sun, 25 Jul 2021, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: It's my understanding th

Re: Distribution floppies (Was: Microsoft OSs (was: Install Floppies)

2021-07-24 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
IBM XDF has multiple sizes of sectors on each track! Similarly, the Ensonic Mirage got 880K on a "720K" disk by using five 1024 byte sectors plus a 512 byte one. The WD 179x type FDC can mix sector sizes, since formatting with it is an almost RAW write of a track. It is, of course, "impossib

Distribution floppies (Was: Microsoft OSs (was: Install Floppies)

2021-07-24 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 10:41 AM Grant Taylor via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: Maybe someone who is more versed in the possible disk sizes and more accurate (non-rounded) count. I'm extremely foggy when it comes to 5-1/4 inch disk capacities. 720 kB and 1.44 MB disks I can deal with. Bu

Re: Install Floppies (Was: Compaq Deskpro boards/hard drives from

2021-07-23 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Some further questions BELOW to complete the distribution media database: }:-) 1) Which ones were available on 5.25"??? (and how many disks?) A) "360K"? B) "1.2M"? C) "1.4M"? D) Microsoft non-standard crammed 3.5" HD? (1.7M?) On Fri, 23 Jul 2021, Grant Ta

Install Floppies (Was: Compaq Deskpro boards/hard drives from

2021-07-23 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Some further questions BELOW to complete the distribution media database: If memory serves, that mass of floppies was dwarfed by Windows 95, particularly later versions. On Fri, 23 Jul 2021, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: Win95: 13 disks. Win98: 38 disks. Netware 3.1: can't remember... lots:

Re: Early Programming Books

2021-06-21 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Is Fortran the newer version of FORTRAN ( I II IV )? On Mon, 21 Jun 2021, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: My recollection from X3J3 is that "Fortran" was officially endorsed with F90. F77 still has FORTRAN officially. After "FORTRAN 77", but before "Fortran 90", "Fortran 8X" (DOD extensions st

Re: Early Programming Books

2021-06-20 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sun, 20 Jun 2021, Bill Degnan via cctech wrote: Paul, I have been compiling a library of such. Ioks here, if you are traveling north swing by to review the books on hand. The one that comes to mind is Thinking Machunrs by Berkeley but here on the patio at my parents house I dont know the date

Re: IBM Logic IC equivalency information needed

2021-06-11 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sat, 12 Jun 2021, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: In both cases it would require an input pin to become an output, something that I can't see how it would happen. I wonder if in the original list, a '1' was misread as a '7' or vice versa. I am told that in some countries the '7' is conventionall

Re: how to make use of daisy wheel printer

2021-05-29 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sun, 30 May 2021, dwight via cctalk wrote: I had a Brother daisy wheel that would do a single step of the stepper and a second strike, for bold. You need to have the right esc sequence. Just about every printer is different until HP had a standard( pscl5 as I recall ). Prior to the HP PCL

Re: how to make use of daisy wheel printer

2021-05-28 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Some characters that might not otherwise be available could be done with over-strike, such as an accent mark (When you apply for a job, do you send a RESUME?") or the tilde over N (There is an exit off of 280 that is incorrectly labelled "LA CANADA road") The en~e character is recognized as a

Re: How to read Osborne 1 Floppies?

2021-05-27 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Thu, 27 May 2021, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: I'd been cutting floppy controller code since about 1975; the weirdness of the IBM PC design really made for some head-scratching. I did some FORTRAN since 1967, but until the TRS80, I couldn't own a computer, and hardly ever got a chance to t

Re: How to read Osborne 1 Floppies?

2021-05-27 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Thu, 27 May 2021, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: Viruses? On CP/M-80 disks? When Don and I were exchanging samples, I was unaware of such stuff. Someone want to enlighten me on Z80/8080 viruses on CP/M floppies? (FWIW, I do differentiate "virus" from "malware") There were also some MS-DOS d

Re: How to read Osborne 1 Floppies?

2021-05-26 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 26 May 2021, Marvin Johnston via cctalk wrote: Depending on when you need them, VCFMW is coming up in a few months. I have a number of Osborne 1's as well as a couple of 386 machines set up with Teledisk (I bought it *years* ago when it became available to listmembers), imagedisk, and *

Re: How to read Osborne 1 Floppies?

2021-05-25 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Osborne Nuevo/Vixen/4 so it is rather painless. Best regards Tom Hunter On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 12:38 AM Fred Cisin via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: Imagedisk is great for making images. BUT, the original request is not for images, it is for the previous owned wanting access t

Re: How to read Osborne 1 Floppies?

2021-05-25 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Tue, 25 May 2021, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: Early on, floppy disks on the BBC Micro were 5.25in FM with 10 sectors per track and 256 bytes per sector. However, BBC Micros are probably not common where you are and some programming in 6502 assembly or BBC Basic and a knowledge of the Osbo

Re: How to read Osborne 1 Floppies?

2021-05-25 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Tue, 25 May 2021, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: I think there were some bootable Osborne floppies which still retained a single density boot track even when the rest of the media was formatted as double density. Regular data disks are probably consistent throughout, but it's just someth

Re: How to read Osborne 1 Floppies?

2021-05-25 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Tue, 25 May 2021, Zane Healy wrote: Yes, we need to be able to access the files. I’m going to see if my old 486 will still boot up, I know I used to use it with imaging RX50 floppies. I’m not an x86 collector, so have a pretty limited selection of PC Hardware. I’m on my Sabbatical right

Re: How to read Osborne 1 Floppies?

2021-05-25 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
fine on most older PCs with a decent floppy controller. As Chuck G writes "TestFDC" will tell you if the floppy controller is usable for imaging. Best regards Tom Hunter On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 2:26 AM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: There were two Osborne floppy formats. Both CP/M. IIR

Re: How to read Osborne 1 Floppies?

2021-05-24 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
There were two Osborne floppy formats. Both CP/M. IIRC, the original format was "Single Density" (FM), 10 sectors per track, with 256 bytes per sector (similar to the TRS80-Model-1. That will require FM/SD capability. Most NEC FDCs did not support that. Dave Dunfield has a test program tha

Re: DDS Intertec SuperBrain attic find w/ OS and dust cover

2021-05-17 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Most who are familiar with Intertec SuperBrain will already know, but for those who are unfamiliar: They had three disk formats: All of which can be done by reformatting IBM "360K" diskettes" Single sided "Double Density" (MFM) 200K 48TPI 40 track. ISTR 10 512 byte sectors per track, the data

Re: DEC PDP-8/e Omnibus backplane lubrication

2021-05-11 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Tue, 11 May 2021, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: https://www.hagensieker.com/wordpress/2018/06/18/deoxit-what-is-it-what-isnt-it/ and Ben synthesizes some corrosion inhibitor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpRrP3sqQLw OK, so chemically, it's mostly lighter fluid, which does work well for such

Re: Apple II PSU

2021-05-10 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Mon, 10 May 2021, Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote: Just me that reaches for a 2mm drill then? I realise people may react in horror at this, but your chances of getting swarf in the PSU are slim to negative. Oh and while you’re in there, please remove the 0.47uF RIFA before it explodes, assumi

Re: 400 Hz

2021-05-07 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Hmmm. If they ever use single phase, instead of 3 phase, . . . A4 (A above middle C) is nominally 440Hz, but not everybody agrees. NY Phil uses 442, Boston uses 441, and many argue for 432. But, 400 would be A-flat. With a constant A flat droning in the background, . . .

Re: Hard To Believe This Person Is Serious

2021-03-26 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Supply and demand. As the number of units remaining drops, the price goes up. This, for example, is clearly his last piece of "blanc" paper: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Blanc-sheet-of-paper-04/254895244594 (or maybe it's French paper ...) :-) The ordinary paper that consumers use throughout the

RE: Hard To Believe This Person Is Serious

2021-03-26 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Q: what does "FURBISH" mean? On Fri, 26 Mar 2021, Guy N. via cctalk wrote: According to the OED: 1) Remove the rust from, burnish, polish up (a sword, armour, etc.); 2) Clean up, renovate, revive, give a new look to (something dirty, faded, or old). I think "give a new look to" is what some of

RE: Hard To Believe This Person Is Serious

2021-03-26 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
For HDDs, "refurbished" probably means FORMAT'ed. In the old days, it sometimes meant a LOW-level format. SSTOR ("Speed-Store") and SPINRITE (Gibson's) "REFURBISHED" drives. For other things, it probably means plug it in and see if the power indicator comes on. Maybe even wipe it off with a da

Re: VCF Swap Meet in Wall, NJ

2021-03-19 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 19 Mar 2021, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: What about giant squid? You dont think it can happen to you and then... There will always be SOMETHING. I read on the interwebs that Lee Harvey Oswald was hired by JFK to distract the press to avoid coverage of the Staten Island Ferry giant

Re: name/model of HP portable printer? (not HP 2225x) circa 1993

2021-03-18 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sat, 13 Mar 2021, Stan Sieler via cctalk wrote: Hi, I think I've finally decided: yes. :) It looks like Fred C. might have one, so I will wait to hear from him. thanks! Stan BAD NEWS. Like the YEAR 2020, mostly failure. The box of printers was not where I thought that it might be. I'll loo

Re: 80286 Protected Mode Test

2021-03-14 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
In contrast, Apple chose to abandon compatability with all previously existing software On Sun, 14 Mar 2021, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: When they stopped selling Apple II's when Lisa was released. Yes, exactly. I was referring to the switch to 68000 (Lisa and then Mac), rather than trying t

Re: 80286 Protected Mode Test

2021-03-14 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021, Guy Sotomayor via cctalk wrote: There were many heated discussions in various task forces (this was of course IBM) about the next generation OS (to become OS/2) about the '286.?? First and foremost was how to be able to run DOS programs on the '286. Over very vocal oppositi

Re: Classic browsing and duckduckgo

2021-03-13 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On 3/13/2021 1:49 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: I'm sure that Fred could tell you about doing serious research. On Sat, 13 Mar 2021, ben via cctalk wrote: I suspect that means spending money, or travelling around. Well, I don't know from "SERIOUS". and, I don't spend money, and hardly nev

Re: name/model of HP portable printer? (not HP 2225x) circa 1993

2021-03-12 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
e, the inkjet project was stuck and Barney Oliver sent him to it as his trouble shooter. (It was stuck because the non-replaceable printhead kept getting ink clogs.) (As related to me by Carson, about 2005.) thanks, Stan On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 6:58 PM Fred Cisin wrote: Does that mean that yo

Re: name/model of HP portable printer? (not HP 2225x) circa 1993

2021-03-12 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Does that mean that you WANT one? (or more) There were several slightly varying models. There was a detachable paper feed bracket, that is rarely with it. Do you want some OLD cartridges (to clean out and try to refill?) -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com On Fri, 12 Mar 2021

Re: Spelunking the places where files are not

2021-03-08 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Mon, 8 Mar 2021, John Foust via cctalk wrote: I'm familiar with the various undelete tools for Windows and Linux. Such tools may not exist or make sense for older file systems. Windows/MS-DOS was certainly not unique nor original in marking file primary directory entries (FPDE) as deleted,

Re: 80286 Protected Mode Test

2021-03-06 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
A stupid idea: Could the test require, and be failing, access to memory above 1M? On Sat, 6 Mar 2021, Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote: I have a DECstation 220 (Olivetti M250E) which is failing POST on a "simple test of the 80286 protected mode". It says in a service manual I have that for this te

Re: Spelunking the places where files are not

2021-03-05 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Three obvious possibilites for tools to help: 1) A program that makes a single large file out of all unallocated blocks, for later study and breaak-up in an editor. 2) A prograam that makes a separate file out of each unallocated block, for later study and appending in an editor. 3) An INTER

Re: Electronics Plus

2021-02-26 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
I noticed someone named Richard Thompson just donated. If you are that person, used to live in the Jemez mountains and hacked on Rainbow stuff back in the day, please contact me... On Sat, 27 Feb 2021, Mark Linimon via cctalk wrote: Or, if you are the Richard Thompson, guitar virtuoso, I will

Re: Re: Funky electronics chain Fry’s is no more (Seattle Times)

2021-02-24 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/funky-electronics-chain-frys-is-no-more/ They could probably have hung on a little longer, by stocking those empty shelves with toilet paper, and maybe even some groceries. It has been many years since I was in a Fry's, because there weren't any very cl

Re: Deciphering an odd floppy disk format.

2021-02-15 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Thanks for the brochure. That looks like a fascinating project! Computerworld mentioned it occasionally in 1980. I love that "Pl/1 will soon emerge as the dominant language of microcomputers" If you haven't already exhausted such leads (apologies if you already have), some trivial GOOGLE'in

Re: Deciphering an odd floppy disk format.

2021-02-15 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote: My guess is that the data that follows the sector ID is some kind of checksum. yes. well, sorta. 16 bit CRC A typical IBM/WD style format has: a gap Index Address Mark a gap (note that WD can use a shorter post index gap than NEC can) an

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