[cctalk] Re: BASIC

It was thus said that the Great Steve Lewis via cctalk once stated: > Great discussions about BASIC. I talked about the IBM 5110 flavor of > BASIC last year (such as its FORM keyboard for quickly making structured > input forms), and recently "re-learned" that it defaults to running with >

[cctalk] Re: Mad Magazine latest issue about computers

It was thus said that the Great Tarek Hoteit via cctalk once stated: > The latest issue of Mad Magazine (April 2023) is titled “MAD Takes Apart > Technology”. The pages include reprints of past articles that relate to > computers, such as “if computers are so brilliant” (Oct 1985), “13 things >

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

It was thus said that the Great Steve Lewis via cctalk once stated: > Regarding the 1940s high school yearbook article I mentioned: I think it > was 1942 - so the war was still hot. The two boys dropped the typing class > since they had signed up for the Service and had other training >

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

It was thus said that the Great Sellam Abraham via cctalk once stated: > Chris, > > Apparently, ChatGPT 3 was trained on a large codebase, and in the reviews > I've watched, as well as in my own experience, it is amazingly astute at > generating (usually) working code in just about any language

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

It was thus said that the Great Chris via cctalk once stated: > I just don't remember anyone declaring this to be an 8-bit list. Back > when I was a member no one said pc stuff was off topic. Which is why I > asked. And wasn't aware JW didn't own or run tne list anymore. One rule I remember

Re: interesting DEC Pro stuff on eBay

It was thus said that the Great Mike Katz via cctalk once stated: > > I could spend pages just describing how the 68K chip just blows away the > 8086 considering they were both released at about the same time. Agree here. I loved the 68K and have fond memories of writing programs in it. But

Re: 80286 Protected Mode Test

It was thus said that the Great Rob Jarratt via cctalk once stated: > I have a DECstation 220 (Olivetti M250E) which is failing POST on a "simple > test of the 80286 protected mode". It says in a service manual I have that > for this test the CPU is set in the protected mode, the machine status

Re: APL\360

It was thus said that the Great Bill Gunshannon via cctalk once stated: > On 1/29/21 4:12 PM, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: > > > >>On 01/29/2021 2:58 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > >> > > > >>'=' and '==' makes possible what is probably the most common error, and > >>which the compiler doesn't

Re: APL\360

It was thus said that the Great Norman Jaffe via cctalk once stated: > > It happened to me as well - I found hundreds of warnings in the code and, > after getting permission to address them, I was fired Wait ... you got *permission* and were still *fired*? Have I just been fortunate in where

Re: APL\360

It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin via cctalk once stated: > >Whenever I start a new job the first thing I do today is enable > >-Werror; all warnings are errors. And I’ll fix every one. Even > >when everyone claims that “These are not a problem”. Before > >that existed, I’d do the same

Re: APL\360

It was thus said that the Great Will Cooke via cctalk once stated: > > > On 01/29/2021 4:42 PM David Barto via cctalk wrote: > > > Whenever I start a new job the first thing I do today is enable -Werror; > > all warnings are errors. And I’ll fix every one. Even when everyone > > claims that

Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

It was thus said that the Great Noel Chiappa via cctalk once stated: > > "The [8008] was commissioned by Computer Terminal Corporation (CTC) to > implement an instruction set of their design for their Datapoint 2200 > programmable terminal. As the chip was delayed and did not meet CTC's >

Re: State of New Jersey needs COBOL programmers

It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin via cctalk once stated: > >>Edsger Dijksta said, "The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching > >>should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offense." > > On Sun, 5 Apr 2020, geneb wrote: > >I'm pretty sure he said that about BASIC, and I'm

Re: Converting C for KCC on TOPS20

It was thus said that the Great David Griffith via cctalk once stated: > > I'm trying to convert some C code[1] so it'll compile on TOPS20 with KCC. > KCC is mostly ANSI compliant, but it needs to use the TOPS20 linker, which > has a limit of six case-insentive characters. Adam Thornton wrote

Re: Pleas ID this IBM system....

It was thus said that the Great Jay West via cctalk once stated: > No modern datacenter that I have seen still uses a raised floor *OTHER > THAN* about 3 inches for a ground plane. There is a reason for that... the > old idea of forced cooling under the floor and mixing power & data cables > there

Re: DG One owners? I think I have something.

It was thus said that the Great Chuck Guzis via cctalk once stated: > A kindly donor sent me an external numeric keypad from Data General. It > has the right keycaps and color for a DG One laptop. Model number > 2568. Connection is via a 3-terminal plug; basically a miniature > stereo

Re: What do to with an Internet-connected PDP-11?

It was thus said that the Great ben via cctalk once stated: > On 4/28/2019 11:34 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: > >>Maybe it would be possible to get a text only browser running? > > > >I think Gopher would be a better fit, personally. That's easy to write, > >parse and display. > > > That

Re: IBM 3174 C 6.4 Microcode Disks?

It was thus said that the Great Kevin Monceaux via cctalk once stated: > Grant, > > On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 07:36:11PM -0700, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > > > If the 2513 you have is the one that was used for this, I'd love to see > > the config, if it's still on there. That would very

Re: OT Parts houses & scrappers

It was thus said that the Great Grant Taylor via cctalk once stated: > On 1/26/19 6:26 PM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote: > >Learning how to judge scrap value is the first thing to do. Do research > >and gain experience. > > That sounds all well and good. Until you something unexpected and

Re: ELTRAN THE COMPILER ANY DOCS? (NOT THE SEMICONDUCTOR STUFF!)))

It was thus said that the Great ben via cctalk once stated: > On 1/13/2019 2:06 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > >Being an old hard-of-seeing guy myself, I much prefer mixed-case to > >all-caps. All caps destroys the "shape" of words. > > Where is the $%!@ codepage for the ASR-33. Get all

Re: ELTRAN THE COMPILER ANY DOCS? (NOT THE SEMICONDUCTOR STUFF!)))

It was thus said that the Great John Ball via cctalk once stated: > >ELTRAN THE COMPILER > >ANY DOCS? ANY ONE? USED IT? > >(NOT THE SEMICONDUCTOR STUFF!)) > > > >ED# > > Hey ed, you might want to check your Caps Lock key there, bud. ;) My dad used to do that. At the time, I thought it was

Re: Want/Available list

It was thus said that the Great Chris Hanson via cctalk once stated: > On Dec 20, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Carlo Pisani via cctalk > wrote: > > > > a forum with a bazaar should be more appropriate > > frankly this mail list looks like spam, and it's going irritating > > since it's difficult to follow

Re: PET peve thing... Editors

It was thus said that the Great allison via cctalk once stated: > On 12/12/2018 03:04 PM, Sean Conner via cctalk wrote: > > It was thus said that the Great allison via cctalk once stated: > >> The whole thing comes from a project for myself...  > >> I wanted a ver

Re: PET peve thing... Editors

It was thus said that the Great allison via cctalk once stated: > The whole thing comes from a project for myself...  > I wanted a very basic screen based editor written in 8080/8085/z80 asm > and compact > (as in under 4K).  I figured first lets inquire of the Internet to see > if I need to and

Re: PET peve thing... Editors

It was thus said that the Great allison via cctalk once stated: > The whole thing comes from a project for myself...  > I wanted a very basic screen based editor written in 8080/8085/z80 asm > and compact > (as in under 4K).  I figured first lets inquire of the Internet to see > if I need to and

Re: Text encoding Babel.

It was thus said that the Great Guy Dunphy via cctalk once stated: > > Anyway, back on topic (classic computing.) Here's an ascii chart with some > control codes highlighted. > > http://everist.org/ASCII/ascii_reuse_legend.png > > I'm collecting all I can find on past (and present) uses of

Re: Text encoding Babel. Was Re: George Keremedjiev

It was thus said that the Great Keelan Lightfoot via cctalk once stated: > > I see no reason that we can't have new control codes to convey new > > concepts if they are needed. > > I disagree with this; from a usability standpoint, control codes are > problematic. Either the user needs to

Re: Text encoding Babel. Was Re: George Keremedjiev

It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin via cctalk once stated: > > >>I like the C comment example; Why do I need to call out a comment with > >>a special sequence of letters? Why can't a comment exist as a comment? > > Why not a language even more self-documenting than COBOL, wherein the main

Re: Text encoding Babel. Was Re: George Keremedjiev

It was thus said that the Great Keelan Lightfoot via cctalk once stated: > I'm a bit dense for weighing in on this as my first post, but what the heck. > > Our problem isn't ASCII or Unicode, our problem is how we use computers. > > Going back in time a bit, the first keyboards only recorded

Re: Text encoding Babel. Was Re: George Keremedjiev

It was thus said that the Great Grant Taylor via cctalk once stated: > On 11/27/2018 04:43 PM, Keelan Lightfoot via cctalk wrote: > > > >Unpopular opinion time: Markup languages are a kludge, relying on plain > >text to describe higher level concepts. > > I agree that markup languages are a

Re: Text encoding Babel. Was Re: George Keremedjiev

It was thus said that the Great Bill Gunshannon via cctalk once stated: > > On 11/25/18 5:42 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > > On 11/23/18 5:52 AM, Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote: > >> Worse than that, it's *American* ignorance and cultural snobbery > >> which also affects various

IEFBR14 (was Re: IND$FILE)

It was thus said that the Great jim stephens via cctalk once stated: > > IFBR14 if you all are not familiar with MVS / MVT batch programming is a > program which immediately terminates w/o any return codes by doing an > assembly language return to the caller of the job step via the contents >

Re: Object-oriented OS [was: Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen]

It was thus said that the Great Tomasz Rola via cctalk once stated: > Ok guys, just to make things clearer, here are two pages from wiki: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_operating_system > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_programming > > What I was thinking back

Re: modern stuff

It was thus said that the Great ben via cctalk once stated: > On 10/24/2018 12:31 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > > >It's true that the original 8086 instruction set lives on with all its > >warts, and many more added over the years. And yes, I guess that you > >*can* run them in 32 bit segmented

Re: Writing emulators [Was: Re: VCF PNW 2018: Pictures!]

It was thus said that the Great Eric Christopherson via cctalk once stated: > On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 5:30 PM, dwight via cctalk > wrote: > > > In order to connect to the outside world, you need a way to queue event > > based on cycle counts, execution of particular

Re: Intel 8085 - interview?

It was thus said that the Great allison via cctalk once stated: > > The industry was loaded with that the 6502 series also had that going on > as well as the 6809 and others. Do you have any information about undocumented opcodes for the 6809? -spc

Re: Computing from 1976

It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin via cctalk once stated: > On Sat, 30 Dec 2017, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: > >I was perusing my old computer magazine collection the other day and > >came across an article entitled: “Fast-Growing new hobby, Real > >Computers you assemble

Re: Pine (was: Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 17, Issue 20)

It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin via cctalk once stated: > >>I'm considering doing something that actually > >>downloads my Gmail content locally and keeps it > >>in sync periodically, but I haven't really > >>looked at what's necessary for that. > > On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Angel M Alganza

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

It was thus said that the Great Alfred M. Szmidt once stated: >It was thus said that the Great Noel Chiappa via cctalk once stated: >> > From: Alfred M. Szmidt >> >> > No even the following program: >> > int main (void) { return 0; } >> > is guaranteed to

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

It was thus said that the Great Alfred M. Szmidt via cctalk once stated: > >> From: Alfred M. Szmidt > >> No even the following program: >> int main (void) { return 0; } >> is guaranteed to work > >I'm missing something: why not? > > It boils down to

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

It was thus said that the Great Noel Chiappa via cctalk once stated: > > From: Alfred M. Szmidt > > > No even the following program: > > int main (void) { return 0; } > > is guaranteed to work > > I'm missing something: why not? Yeah, I'm having a hard time with that too. I

Re: C (was: The iAPX 432 and block languages)

It was thus said that the Great Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk once stated: > Sean Conner wrote two great posts on Mon, 10 Apr 2017 21:43:29 -0400 > > These are all very good points. I agree I was exagerating by saying the > iAPX432 and 8086 couldn't run C. After all, the langu

Re: The iAPX 432 and block languages (was Re: RTX-2000 processor PC/AT add-in card (any takers?))

It was thus said that the Great Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk once stated: > Sean Conner via cctalk wrote on Mon, 10 Apr 2017 17:39:57 -0400 > > What about C made it difficult for the 432 to run? > > > > -spc (Curious here, as some aspects of the 432 made

The iAPX 432 and block languages (was Re: RTX-2000 processor PC/AT add-in card (any takers?))

It was thus said that the Great Eric Smith via cctalk once stated: > > The Intel iAPX 432 was also designed to explicitly support block-structured > languages. The main language Intel pushed was Ada, but there was no > technical reason it couldn't have supported Algol, Pascal, Modula, Euclid, >

Floating point routines for the 6809

Some time ago I came across the MC6839 ROM which contains floating point routines for the 6809. The documentation that came with it stated: Written for Motorola by Joel Boney, 1980 Released into the public domain by Motorola in 1988 Docs and apps for Tandy Color

Re: I hate the new mail system

It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin via cctalk once stated: > On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Eric Christopherson via cctalk wrote: > >What makes it so that other mailing lists don't unsubscribe people when > >bounces occur? > > This list displays (not "full headers"): > Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 20:23:42

Re: I hate the new mail system

It was thus said that the Great Chuck Guzis via cctalk once stated: > On 02/28/2017 03:40 PM, Paul Berger wrote: > > Well I am using Thunderbird 45.7.1 and I see this "Chuck Guzis via > > cctalk " as "From" in your message. > > > > Hmmm, this is very puzzling. Your

Re: Cassette Interface Assistance

It was thus said that the Great Tony Duell via cctalk once stated: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 4:21 PM, allison via cctalk > wrote: > > > > > > The tape recorders used had no agc. They were simple portables and used the > > mic or line input and headphone output. > > I

Re: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]

It was thus said that the Great Kyle Owen once stated: > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > > > > > I'm on comcast.net and I get these too. Once a week or so on average. > > The puzzle is that cctalk is the ONLY list that does this. I subscribe to > >

Re: Unknown 8085 opcodes

It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin once stated: > >>jsr puts > >>fcc 'Hello, world!',13,0 > >>clra > or the classic: >JMP START1 >DATA2: DB . . . > DB . . . >START1: MOV DX, OFFSET DATA2 > Which was heavily used

Re: Unknown 8085 opcodes

It was thus said that the Great Chuck Guzis once stated: > On 01/12/2017 07:35 AM, Mouse wrote: > > >> Does your disassembler do flow analysis? > > > > I doubt it, because none of the meanings I know for the term are > > anything my disassembler does. > > A disassembler that can do flow

Re: 6502 code

It was thus said that the Great drlegendre . once stated: > @Sean > > I was wondering the same, but perhaps he needs physical hardware for some > specific purposes, like timing and so forth? The 6502 (as well as many of the other 8-bit CPUs of that era) are deterministic to the point where

Re: 6502 code

It was thus said that the Great dwight once stated: > Hi > > There has been so much PDP and other stuff lately I kind of feel out of place > asking about 6502 stuff. > > Anyway, I've mentioned on the 6502.org that QuickSort is not always the > fastest > sort. So I wrote a 6502 assembly sort

Re: Archived viruses, was Re: Reasonable price for a complete SOL-20 system?

It was thus said that the Great et...@757.org once stated: > > Early Macs definitely had viruses, a few that I got from thrift stores > still have the viruses on them. I don't think there is any memory > protection at all. Software selection for MacOS was pretty crappy, and it > was hard to get

Re: Archived viruses, was Re: Reasonable price for a complete SOL-20 system?

It was thus said that the Great allison once stated: > On 10/23/2016 09:15 PM, Mouse wrote: > >> My favorite formatter was my S100 crate with CP/M, [it's] impossible > >> to give a single user OS without background processing a virus. > > I disagree. I see nothing about "a single-user OS without

Re: Telnet was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

It was thus said that the Great Christian Liendo once stated: > Agree. It's quite easy to telnet to a port to see if you get a response. > Do it a lot. The kids are using nc (netcat) these days. It supports both TCP and UDP. -spc

Re: Reproduction micros

It was thus said that the Great Peter Corlett once stated: > > Unsurprisingly, the x86 ISA is brain-damaged here, in that some instructions > (e.g. inc") only affect some bits in EFLAGS, which causes a partial register > stall. The recommended "fix" is to avoid such instructions. I'm not

Re: VMS stability back in the day (was Re: NuTek Mac comes)

It was thus said that the Great Swift Griggs once stated: > On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Sean Conner wrote: > > What I've read about VMS makes me think the networking was incredible. > > Big Fat Disclaimer: I know very little about VMS. I'm a UNIX zealot. > > I work with a lot of

Re: NuTek Mac comes

It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated: > >> All the now-nostalgicized-over '80s OSes were pretty horribly > >> unstable: [...] > > Personally - I went through my larval phase under it - I'd cite VMS as > a counterexample. Even today I think a lot of OSes would do well to > learn from

Re: NuTek Mac comes

It was thus said that the Great Eric Christopherson once stated: > On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 12:39 AM, Chris Hanson > wrote: > > > QuickDraw was almost literally the first code running on the Mac once it > > switched to 68K. > > > > Was there a pre-68K period in Mac

Re: word processor history -- interesting article (Evan Koblentz)

It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated: > > I've come to the conclusion [1] that terminfo and curses aren't > > needed any more. If you target VT100 (or Xterm or any other > > derivative) and directly write ANSI sequences, it'll just work. > > (a) That is not my experience. I did

Re: word processor history -- interesting article (Evan Koblentz)

It was thus said that the Great Chuck Guzis once stated: > > On occasion, I still use an editor that I wrote for CP/M and later > ported to DOS. 11KB and it has lots of features that are peculiar to my > preferences. I'd thought about porting it to Linux, but currently, it's > still in assembly

Re: word processor history -- interesting article (Evan Koblentz)

It was thus said that the Great Paul Berger once stated: > > > The DOS editor I really like was originally call PE and an enhanced > version "E" was shipped with later version of PC-DOS, there are also > some clones of the editor floating around as well. I still use this > editor regularly

Some questions about the MC6839

So Motorola apparently never produced the MC6839, a ROM containing position independent 6809 code for implementing (as far as I can see) IEEE 754 Draft 8. Motorola *did* however, release the resulting binary into (from what I understand) the Public Domain [1] but I've yet to find the actual

Some questions about the MC6839

(My original message to cctech has yet to appear. I thought I might try the cctalk list). While Motorola never shipped the MC6839 [1] the binary is available [2] and I've been playing around with it [3]. While it's not producing the exact same results as I get on a more modern machine, it

Re: thinking of the "ultimate" retro x86 PCs - what bits to seek/keep ?

It was thus said that the Great Maciej W. Rozycki once stated: > On Thu, 2 Jun 2016, Sean Caron wrote: > > > Oh, man, that brings back memories. Trying to bang Linux onto a 386SX-16 > > with > > 4 Meg RAM and some puny little hard drive ... My first NAT box! It was > > pretty > > excruciating

Re: Quadra 660AV what's with the "PowerPC" label?

It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: > It's a modern init. Most of panic is just headless running around. No, > it's not an old-fashioned simplistic Unix utility. Hey, newsflash, > neither is GNOME, neither is KDE. Neither is much of modern Unix. I'm not a fan of systemd,

Re: Quadra 660AV what's with the "PowerPC" label?

It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: > On 14 June 2016 at 01:56, Sean Conner <s...@conman.org> wrote: > > What do you feel is still missing from OS-X today? About the only thing I > > can think of is the unique file system, where each file had a data an

Re: Quadra 660AV what's with the "PowerPC" label?

It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: > > System 9.x and before are > > "something different" for me, a break from my mostly hardcore CLI > > existence. > > Yes, true. An OS I still miss, for all its instability and quirkiness. > I'd love to see a modern FOSS recreation, at

Re: thinking of the "ultimate" retro x86 PCs - what bits to seek/keep ?

It was thus said that the Great Swift Griggs once stated: > On Thu, 2 Jun 2016, TeoZ wrote: > > The ultimate gaming 486 would have an EISA+VLB motherboard. > > Yes, I would agree on that. However, since I'm mostly interested in > running older Unix variants and DOS, games aren't at the top of my

Re: Keyboards and Mice (was Model M, NEC ProSpeed)

It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: > On 1 June 2016 at 17:48, Chuck Guzis wrote: > > I'm keyboard-oriented--Ctrl-V, where I've copied using Ctrl-X or > > Control-C . > > The neat thing about middle-click-to-paste-selection is that it's *as > well as* the

Re: Keyboards and the Model M (was Re: NEC ProSpeed 386)

It was thus said that the Great Swift Griggs once stated: > On Tue, 31 May 2016, Peter Coghlan wrote: > > > It might be interesting to poll the list to see who's still using an IBM > > > Model M keyboard on their x86 box. I am. > > > Windows key? What Windows key? ;) > > > > x86 box? What x86

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin once stated: > On 22 May 2016 at 04:52, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > >Because the 808x was a 16-bit processor with 1MB physical addressing. I > >would argue that for the time 808x was brilliant in that most other 16-bit > >micros only

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: > On 22 May 2016 at 04:52, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > > Because the 808x was a 16-bit processor with 1MB physical addressing. I > > would argue that for the time 808x was brilliant in that most other 16-bit > > micros

Re: Front panel switches - what did they do?

It was thus said that the Great Swift Griggs once stated: > On Tue, 24 May 2016, william degnan wrote: > > Here's a power point pres I did at VCF-E4, this will get you started. > > Using Altair 680b front panel in basic terms is covered a few slides in. > >

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great ben once stated: > On 5/20/2016 2:58 > > > > >[4] Say, a C compiler an 8088. How big is a pointer? How big of an > > object can you point to? How much code is involved with "p++"? > > How come INTEL thought that 64 KB segments ample? I guess they only used

Re: 1's comp

It was thus said that the Great ben once stated: > On 5/20/2016 7:19 PM, Sean Conner wrote: > > >> > >>Hehe, what is a long long? Yes, you are totally right. Still, I assert > >>that C is still the defacto most portable language on Earth. What other > >

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated: > >>> -spc (Wish the C standard committee had the balls to say "2's > >>> complement all the way, and a physical bit pattern of all 0s is a > >>> NULL pointer" ... ) > >> As far as I'm concerned, this is different only in degree from `Wish >

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated: > >>> -spc (Wish the C standard committee had the balls to say "2's > >>> complement all the way, and a physical bit pattern of all 0s is a > >>> NULL pointer" ... ) > >> As far as I'm concerned, this is different only in degree from `Wish >

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great William Donzelli once stated: > > First off, can you supply a list of architectures that are NOT 2's > > complement integer math that are still made and in active use today? As far > > as I can tell, there was only one signed-magnitude architecture ever > >

Re: C standards and committees (was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from)

It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated: > > > 3) It's slower. Two reasons for this: > > Even to the extent this is true, in most cases, "so what"? > > Most executables are not performance-critical enough for dynamic-linker > overhead to matter. (For the few that are, or for the

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated: > > -spc (Wish the C standard committee had the balls to say "2's > > complement all the way, and a physical bit pattern of all 0s is a > > NULL pointer" ... ) > > As far as I'm concerned, this is different only in degree from `Wish > the C

Re: C standards and committees (was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from)

It was thus said that the Great Swift Griggs once stated: > On Fri, 20 May 2016, Sean Conner wrote: > > By the late 80s, C was available on many different systems and was not > > yet standardized. > > There were lots of standards, but folks typically gravitated toward K o

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: > On 29 April 2016 at 19:49, Mouse wrote: > > > > It's true that C is easy to use unsafely. However, (a) it arose as an > > OS implementation language, for which some level of unsafeness is > > necessary, and

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin once stated: > On Wed, 18 May 2016, John Willis wrote: > >Let's not forget that the bulk of the Apple Lisa operating system and > >at least large parts of the original Macintosh system software were also > >implemented in Pascal (though IIRC

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: > This has been waiting for a reply for too long... As has this ... > On 4 May 2016 at 20:59, Sean Conner <s...@conman.org> wrote: > > > > Part of that was the MMU-less 68000. It certainly made message pass

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: > On 29 April 2016 at 21:06, Sean Conner <s...@conman.org> wrote: > > It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: > > > I read that and it doesn't really seem that CAOS would have been much > >

Re: Programming language failings [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

It was thus said that the Great Chuck Guzis once stated: > On 04/30/2016 02:07 PM, Mouse wrote: > > > Reading this really gives me the impression that it's time to fork > > C. There seems to me to be a need for two different languages, which > > I might slightly inaccurately call the one C used

Re: smalltalk and lisp (was: strangest systems I've sent email from)

It was thus said that the Great Swift Griggs once stated: > > I don't want to bolt > on anything else, just let me define the same function twice with two > different parameter lists and I'll be one happy dude. The problem with that is the function name mangling (in object files) needs to be

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: > On 27 April 2016 at 22:13, Sean Conner <s...@conman.org> wrote: > > Do you really think it's growing? I'd like very much to believe that. > I see little sign of it. I do hope you're right. I read Hacker News an

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Noel Chiappa once stated: > > From: Liam Proven > > > There's the not-remotely-safe kinda-sorta C in a web browser, > > Javascript. > > Love the rant, which I mostly agree with (_especially_ that one). A couple of > comments: > > > So they still

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Liam Proven once stated: > On 26 April 2016 at 16:41, Liam Proven wrote: > > When I was playing with home micros (mainly Sinclair and Amstrad; the > American stuff was just too expensive for Brits in the early-to-mid > 1980s), the culture was

Re: Mac "Workgroup Server" (or "network server") hardware & AIX

It was thus said that the Great Swift Griggs once stated: > > Oh, and while I?m at it, both vi and emacs suck. Give me TPU! :-) > > Heh, I'm one of the few Unix guys that might be inclined to agree. I can > use both. However, I got used to Wordstar, then the IDE in Borland > products (which is

Re: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated: > > > What I've often wondered is why there are so many IT people with the > > same sort of laments and we haven't all collectively built our own > > networks over wireless ? > > The crazy patchwork quilt of regulations applying to amateur use

Re: History [was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from]

It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated: > > And I spend over $80/month for DSL to a provider that gives me a /29 > and a /60 from globally routed space. (That everything is now CIDR > blocks is another loss; I am not fond of the desupporting of > noncontiguous subnet masks, even

Re: The Ivory Tower saga was Re: strangest systems I've sent email

It was thus said that the Great Mouse once stated: > > Take also, for example, Lisp. I've used Lisp. I even wrote a Lisp > engine. I love the language, even though I almost never use it. But > some of the mental patterns it has given me inform much of the code I > write regardless of

Re: Mac "Workgroup Server" (or "network server") hardware & AIX

It was thus said that the Great Swift Griggs once stated: > On Tue, 26 Apr 2016, Jerry Kemp wrote: > > > Unix is a very religious subject. My last intent is to get on someone's > > bad side here. > > Tell me about it. I'm just lucky/glad to have avoided the VMS vs Unix wars > in the 90's. Too

Re: The Ivory Tower saga was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Raymond Wiker once stated: > > > On 26 Apr 2016, at 05:39 , Swift Griggs wrote: > > > > It's probably a bad idea to dismiss anyone's experience when you haven't > > "walked a mile in his moccasins.", including mine. Though my attempt may

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

It was thus said that the Great Tapley, Mark once stated: > On Apr 25, 2016, at 4:46 PM, Brian L. Stuart wrote: > > > ...To tell you the truth, I'm not very likely to hire anyone who isn't > > conversant with at least half a dozen different languages. ... > > Although I

Re: Accelerator boards - no future? Bad business?

It was thus said that the Great Swift Griggs once stated: > > Remember all the accelerator boards for the Mac, Amiga, and even PCs in the > 90's ? I've often wished that I could get something similar on my older SGI > systems. For example, fitting an R16k into an O2 or doing dynamic >

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