[cctalk] Re: BASIC

It was thus said that the Great Steve Lewis via cctalk once stated: > Great discussions about BASIC. I talked about the IBM 5110 flavor of > BASIC last year (such as its FORM keyboard for quickly making structured > input forms), and recently "re-learned" that it defaults to running with >

[cctalk] Re: Mad Magazine latest issue about computers

It was thus said that the Great Tarek Hoteit via cctalk once stated: > The latest issue of Mad Magazine (April 2023) is titled “MAD Takes Apart > Technology”. The pages include reprints of past articles that relate to > computers, such as “if computers are so brilliant” (Oct 1985), “13 things >

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

It was thus said that the Great Steve Lewis via cctalk once stated: > Regarding the 1940s high school yearbook article I mentioned: I think it > was 1942 - so the war was still hot. The two boys dropped the typing class > since they had signed up for the Service and had other training >

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

It was thus said that the Great Sellam Abraham via cctalk once stated: > Chris, > > Apparently, ChatGPT 3 was trained on a large codebase, and in the reviews > I've watched, as well as in my own experience, it is amazingly astute at > generating (usually) working code in just about any language

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

It was thus said that the Great Chris via cctalk once stated: > I just don't remember anyone declaring this to be an 8-bit list. Back > when I was a member no one said pc stuff was off topic. Which is why I > asked. And wasn't aware JW didn't own or run tne list anymore. One rule I remember

Re: interesting DEC Pro stuff on eBay

It was thus said that the Great Mike Katz via cctalk once stated: > > I could spend pages just describing how the 68K chip just blows away the > 8086 considering they were both released at about the same time. Agree here. I loved the 68K and have fond memories of writing programs in it. But

Re: 80286 Protected Mode Test

It was thus said that the Great Rob Jarratt via cctalk once stated: > I have a DECstation 220 (Olivetti M250E) which is failing POST on a "simple > test of the 80286 protected mode". It says in a service manual I have that > for this test the CPU is set in the protected mode, the machine status

Re: APL\360

It was thus said that the Great Bill Gunshannon via cctalk once stated: > On 1/29/21 4:12 PM, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: > > > >>On 01/29/2021 2:58 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > >> > > > >>'=' and '==' makes possible what is probably the most common error, and > >>which the compiler doesn't

Re: APL\360

It was thus said that the Great Norman Jaffe via cctalk once stated: > > It happened to me as well - I found hundreds of warnings in the code and, > after getting permission to address them, I was fired Wait ... you got *permission* and were still *fired*? Have I just been fortunate in where

Re: APL\360

It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin via cctalk once stated: > >Whenever I start a new job the first thing I do today is enable > >-Werror; all warnings are errors. And I’ll fix every one. Even > >when everyone claims that “These are not a problem”. Before > >that existed, I’d do the same

Re: APL\360

It was thus said that the Great Will Cooke via cctalk once stated: > > > On 01/29/2021 4:42 PM David Barto via cctalk wrote: > > > Whenever I start a new job the first thing I do today is enable -Werror; > > all warnings are errors. And I’ll fix every one. Even when everyone > > claims that

Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

It was thus said that the Great Noel Chiappa via cctalk once stated: > > "The [8008] was commissioned by Computer Terminal Corporation (CTC) to > implement an instruction set of their design for their Datapoint 2200 > programmable terminal. As the chip was delayed and did not meet CTC's >

Re: State of New Jersey needs COBOL programmers

It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin via cctalk once stated: > >>Edsger Dijksta said, "The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching > >>should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offense." > > On Sun, 5 Apr 2020, geneb wrote: > >I'm pretty sure he said that about BASIC, and I'm

Re: Converting C for KCC on TOPS20

It was thus said that the Great David Griffith via cctalk once stated: > > I'm trying to convert some C code[1] so it'll compile on TOPS20 with KCC. > KCC is mostly ANSI compliant, but it needs to use the TOPS20 linker, which > has a limit of six case-insentive characters. Adam Thornton wrote

Re: Pleas ID this IBM system....

It was thus said that the Great Jay West via cctalk once stated: > No modern datacenter that I have seen still uses a raised floor *OTHER > THAN* about 3 inches for a ground plane. There is a reason for that... the > old idea of forced cooling under the floor and mixing power & data cables > there

Re: DG One owners? I think I have something.

It was thus said that the Great Chuck Guzis via cctalk once stated: > A kindly donor sent me an external numeric keypad from Data General. It > has the right keycaps and color for a DG One laptop. Model number > 2568. Connection is via a 3-terminal plug; basically a miniature > stereo

Re: What do to with an Internet-connected PDP-11?

It was thus said that the Great ben via cctalk once stated: > On 4/28/2019 11:34 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: > >>Maybe it would be possible to get a text only browser running? > > > >I think Gopher would be a better fit, personally. That's easy to write, > >parse and display. > > > That

Re: IBM 3174 C 6.4 Microcode Disks?

It was thus said that the Great Kevin Monceaux via cctalk once stated: > Grant, > > On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 07:36:11PM -0700, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > > > If the 2513 you have is the one that was used for this, I'd love to see > > the config, if it's still on there. That would very

Re: OT Parts houses & scrappers

It was thus said that the Great Grant Taylor via cctalk once stated: > On 1/26/19 6:26 PM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote: > >Learning how to judge scrap value is the first thing to do. Do research > >and gain experience. > > That sounds all well and good. Until you something unexpected and

Re: ELTRAN THE COMPILER ANY DOCS? (NOT THE SEMICONDUCTOR STUFF!)))

It was thus said that the Great ben via cctalk once stated: > On 1/13/2019 2:06 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > >Being an old hard-of-seeing guy myself, I much prefer mixed-case to > >all-caps. All caps destroys the "shape" of words. > > Where is the $%!@ codepage for the ASR-33. Get all

Re: ELTRAN THE COMPILER ANY DOCS? (NOT THE SEMICONDUCTOR STUFF!)))

It was thus said that the Great John Ball via cctalk once stated: > >ELTRAN THE COMPILER > >ANY DOCS? ANY ONE? USED IT? > >(NOT THE SEMICONDUCTOR STUFF!)) > > > >ED# > > Hey ed, you might want to check your Caps Lock key there, bud. ;) My dad used to do that. At the time, I thought it was

Re: Want/Available list

It was thus said that the Great Chris Hanson via cctalk once stated: > On Dec 20, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Carlo Pisani via cctalk > wrote: > > > > a forum with a bazaar should be more appropriate > > frankly this mail list looks like spam, and it's going irritating > > since it's difficult to follow

Re: PET peve thing... Editors

It was thus said that the Great allison via cctalk once stated: > On 12/12/2018 03:04 PM, Sean Conner via cctalk wrote: > > It was thus said that the Great allison via cctalk once stated: > >> The whole thing comes from a project for myself...  > >> I wanted a ver

Re: PET peve thing... Editors

It was thus said that the Great allison via cctalk once stated: > The whole thing comes from a project for myself...  > I wanted a very basic screen based editor written in 8080/8085/z80 asm > and compact > (as in under 4K).  I figured first lets inquire of the Internet to see > if I need to and

Re: PET peve thing... Editors

It was thus said that the Great allison via cctalk once stated: > The whole thing comes from a project for myself...  > I wanted a very basic screen based editor written in 8080/8085/z80 asm > and compact > (as in under 4K).  I figured first lets inquire of the Internet to see > if I need to and

Re: Text encoding Babel.

It was thus said that the Great Guy Dunphy via cctalk once stated: > > Anyway, back on topic (classic computing.) Here's an ascii chart with some > control codes highlighted. > > http://everist.org/ASCII/ascii_reuse_legend.png > > I'm collecting all I can find on past (and present) uses of

Re: Text encoding Babel. Was Re: George Keremedjiev

It was thus said that the Great Keelan Lightfoot via cctalk once stated: > > I see no reason that we can't have new control codes to convey new > > concepts if they are needed. > > I disagree with this; from a usability standpoint, control codes are > problematic. Either the user needs to

Re: Text encoding Babel. Was Re: George Keremedjiev

It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin via cctalk once stated: > > >>I like the C comment example; Why do I need to call out a comment with > >>a special sequence of letters? Why can't a comment exist as a comment? > > Why not a language even more self-documenting than COBOL, wherein the main

Re: Text encoding Babel. Was Re: George Keremedjiev

It was thus said that the Great Keelan Lightfoot via cctalk once stated: > I'm a bit dense for weighing in on this as my first post, but what the heck. > > Our problem isn't ASCII or Unicode, our problem is how we use computers. > > Going back in time a bit, the first keyboards only recorded

Re: Text encoding Babel. Was Re: George Keremedjiev

It was thus said that the Great Grant Taylor via cctalk once stated: > On 11/27/2018 04:43 PM, Keelan Lightfoot via cctalk wrote: > > > >Unpopular opinion time: Markup languages are a kludge, relying on plain > >text to describe higher level concepts. > > I agree that markup languages are a

Re: Text encoding Babel. Was Re: George Keremedjiev

It was thus said that the Great Bill Gunshannon via cctalk once stated: > > On 11/25/18 5:42 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > > On 11/23/18 5:52 AM, Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote: > >> Worse than that, it's *American* ignorance and cultural snobbery > >> which also affects various

IEFBR14 (was Re: IND$FILE)

It was thus said that the Great jim stephens via cctalk once stated: > > IFBR14 if you all are not familiar with MVS / MVT batch programming is a > program which immediately terminates w/o any return codes by doing an > assembly language return to the caller of the job step via the contents >

Re: Object-oriented OS [was: Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen]

It was thus said that the Great Tomasz Rola via cctalk once stated: > Ok guys, just to make things clearer, here are two pages from wiki: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_operating_system > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_programming > > What I was thinking back

Re: modern stuff

It was thus said that the Great ben via cctalk once stated: > On 10/24/2018 12:31 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > > >It's true that the original 8086 instruction set lives on with all its > >warts, and many more added over the years. And yes, I guess that you > >*can* run them in 32 bit segmented

Re: Writing emulators [Was: Re: VCF PNW 2018: Pictures!]

It was thus said that the Great Eric Christopherson via cctalk once stated: > On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 5:30 PM, dwight via cctalk > wrote: > > > In order to connect to the outside world, you need a way to queue event > > based on cycle counts, execution of particular

Re: Intel 8085 - interview?

It was thus said that the Great allison via cctalk once stated: > > The industry was loaded with that the 6502 series also had that going on > as well as the 6809 and others. Do you have any information about undocumented opcodes for the 6809? -spc

Re: Computing from 1976

It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin via cctalk once stated: > On Sat, 30 Dec 2017, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: > >I was perusing my old computer magazine collection the other day and > >came across an article entitled: “Fast-Growing new hobby, Real > >Computers you assemble

Re: Pine (was: Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 17, Issue 20)

It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin via cctalk once stated: > >>I'm considering doing something that actually > >>downloads my Gmail content locally and keeps it > >>in sync periodically, but I haven't really > >>looked at what's necessary for that. > > On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Angel M Alganza

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

It was thus said that the Great Alfred M. Szmidt once stated: >It was thus said that the Great Noel Chiappa via cctalk once stated: >> > From: Alfred M. Szmidt >> >> > No even the following program: >> > int main (void) { return 0; } >> > is guaranteed to

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

It was thus said that the Great Alfred M. Szmidt via cctalk once stated: > >> From: Alfred M. Szmidt > >> No even the following program: >> int main (void) { return 0; } >> is guaranteed to work > >I'm missing something: why not? > > It boils down to

Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?

It was thus said that the Great Noel Chiappa via cctalk once stated: > > From: Alfred M. Szmidt > > > No even the following program: > > int main (void) { return 0; } > > is guaranteed to work > > I'm missing something: why not? Yeah, I'm having a hard time with that too. I

Re: C (was: The iAPX 432 and block languages)

It was thus said that the Great Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk once stated: > Sean Conner wrote two great posts on Mon, 10 Apr 2017 21:43:29 -0400 > > These are all very good points. I agree I was exagerating by saying the > iAPX432 and 8086 couldn't run C. After all, the language was born on the

Re: The iAPX 432 and block languages (was Re: RTX-2000 processor PC/AT add-in card (any takers?))

It was thus said that the Great Jecel Assumpcao Jr. via cctalk once stated: > Sean Conner via cctalk wrote on Mon, 10 Apr 2017 17:39:57 -0400 > > What about C made it difficult for the 432 to run? > > > > -spc (Curious here, as some aspects of the 432 made

The iAPX 432 and block languages (was Re: RTX-2000 processor PC/AT add-in card (any takers?))

It was thus said that the Great Eric Smith via cctalk once stated: > > The Intel iAPX 432 was also designed to explicitly support block-structured > languages. The main language Intel pushed was Ada, but there was no > technical reason it couldn't have supported Algol, Pascal, Modula, Euclid, >

Floating point routines for the 6809

Some time ago I came across the MC6839 ROM which contains floating point routines for the 6809. The documentation that came with it stated: Written for Motorola by Joel Boney, 1980 Released into the public domain by Motorola in 1988 Docs and apps for Tandy Color

Re: I hate the new mail system

It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin via cctalk once stated: > On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Eric Christopherson via cctalk wrote: > >What makes it so that other mailing lists don't unsubscribe people when > >bounces occur? > > This list displays (not "full headers"): > Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 20:23:42

Re: I hate the new mail system

It was thus said that the Great Chuck Guzis via cctalk once stated: > On 02/28/2017 03:40 PM, Paul Berger wrote: > > Well I am using Thunderbird 45.7.1 and I see this "Chuck Guzis via > > cctalk " as "From" in your message. > > > > Hmmm, this is very puzzling. Your

Re: Cassette Interface Assistance

It was thus said that the Great Tony Duell via cctalk once stated: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 4:21 PM, allison via cctalk > wrote: > > > > > > The tape recorders used had no agc. They were simple portables and used the > > mic or line input and headphone output. > > I