Re: The precarious state of classic software and hardware preservation

On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 at 03:34, Steve Malikoff via cctalk wrote: > Whenever some new vintage computing page appears I go to archive.org and > submit the > URL to them for the wayback machine. Often they've crawled it already, but > not always > so I think it does help. When you submit a URL to

Re: Linux and the 'clssic' computing world

On Mon, 27 Sept 2021 at 23:31, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > > On Sep 27, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Nemo Nusquam via cctalk > wrote: > > > > On 2021-09-27 10:07, Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote (in part): > >> > >> However, much of the "Linux" software is in fact POSIX software, and can > >> quite

Re: R.I.P. Clive Sinclair

On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 00:01, Jecel Assumpcao Jr via cctalk wrote: > The TI people were selling their chip as a simple four operation > calculator. Here is what the Sinclair people did with it: > > http://files.righto.com/calculator/sinclair_scientific_simulator.html And that's where the

Re: VT100 colors

On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 at 07:50, Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk wrote: > > Hello, > > Does anyone know what colors a VT100 is? Most photos online has it > looking yellowish, but I expect that's from aging. Some people I have > asked claim it was a light cream color. This bitsavers picture has it >

Re: Spelunking the places where files are not

On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 at 15:41, John Foust via cctalk wrote: > > > After thinking about disk imaging tools like Greaseweasel, > I started thinking about tools that would grab and examine the unused > portions of disks. > > It's obviously file-system dependent. At one level we know of > "undelete"

Re: Greaseweazle

I have a Greaseweazle F7+, and I have an fdadap as well (and a Shugart 8" drive), a 5 1/4" drive (my main target, the 8" follows), and 3.5" drives (not really a target - the 3.5" HD floppies are mostly unreadable anyway). So, I'm ready to go.. except that due to sleep deprivation I managed to dump

Re: APL\360

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 at 03:27, dwight via cctalk wrote: > If we'd thought about it we could count to 1023 on our fingers. > Dwight Some sheep herders in (IIRC) the Caucasus do, or did at least. I learned about that some decades ago. Counting sheep on their fingers. I use the system sometimes.

gunkies.org (computer history wiki) domain expired

Registry Expiry Date: 2020-07-03T15:46:18Z Anyone in touch with Tore? Noel?

Re: A tool many of you may make find useful!

> > Ultimate Zip is showing that the file is empty. Hum! I have been > > using Ultimate Zip for decades. Hum! I wounder what is going on! *Nix 'unzip' shows it as perfectly fine. Could it be that Ultimate Zip is so old that it only supports zip files where the directory is at the beginning

Re: Mame vt100 emulation. Cool

On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 at 04:20, Kevin Lee via cctalk wrote: > > https://zork.net/~st/jottings/Real-VT102-emulation-with-MAME.html MAME is a beast. Sometimes it kind of works (for other stuff), here it just hits me with an "Abort" with no indication as to why.

Re: History

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 01:37, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > https://xkcd.com/2324/ > > > As accurate as most other versions of history. Finally I know where "pull request" comes from

Re: Future of cctalk/cctech

> > > There is also groups.io, and it has some very nice features compared to Please please, no groups of any kinds. They're all horrible to use. A genuine mailing list like this is infinitively easier to keep track of and read at leisure. Can't stand groups.io. Despise google groups (always

Re: BYTE Magazines

> https://vintageapple.org/byte/pdf/198610_Byte_Magazine_Vol_11-11_Inside_the_IBM_PC.pdf That one, plus 198806_Byte_Magazine_Vol_13-06_New_Benchmarks_Ultra_High-speed_Modems.pdf and 198905_Byte_Magazine_Vol_14-05_Unix_CAD_and_Technology_Breakthroughs.pdf are corrupted on the vintageapple.org web

Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 at 00:14, Eric Korpela via cctalk wrote: > C > C CHANGE THE VALUE OF 4 > C > > CALL INC(4) > WRITE (*, 30) 4 > 30FORMAT ('2+2=',I4) > END > > SUBROUTINE INC(I) > I = I + 1 > END > > OUTPUT > 2+2= 5 I had no idea, and I

Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled

Please do not try to spread medical advice on a mailing list. FYI, what you're saying does *not* match proper advice from medical sources. On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 07:58, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote: > > Hello all, > The Covid-19 threat is being over sold. Children don't seem to be > at

Re: Lots of Apple 1 computers @ VCF West

On Mon, 8 Jul 2019 at 18:19, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > What matters to me is [b]documentation[/b], however it's preserved. I'm > often faced with a bit of old data and I need to know the details upon > which it was fabricated. That has value to me. Al K has been > invaluable in this

Re: In search of an ancient IEEE-754 floating point test suite

On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 at 09:55, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote: > > On 2019-06-11 20:50, Seth Morabito via cctalk wrote: [..] > > I'd like to compile a set of IEEE-754 tests on the 3B2. Unfortunately, the > > only compiler I have ready access to on the 3B2 is AT's pre-ANSI C > > compiler, so

Re: Raised Floors

On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 10:34, Stefan Skoglund via cctalk wrote: > Halon should be completely and fully illegal in civilian installations. In 1990 or 1991 I was inside a computer room when somebody accidentally pushed an elbow into the fire emergency button.. and the halon went off. Big room,

Re: Looking for Byte Jan 78 missing page

On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 10:29, Tor Arntsen wrote: > > On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 01:41, Randy Dawson via cctalk > wrote: > > > > The american radio history site has this byte issue intact, with your > > missing pages: > > > > https://www.americanradiohistor

Re: Looking for Byte Jan 78 missing page

On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 01:41, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote: > > The american radio history site has this byte issue intact, with your missing > pages: > > https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-Byte/70s/Byte-1978-01.pdf That copy has page 97/98 missing as well - it's the same scan as can

Re: MSV11-J engineering info

On 6 July 2018 at 09:48, Tor Arntsen wrote: > On 6 July 2018 at 05:29, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: >> >> >> On 7/5/18 8:20 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: >> >>> I don't see any chip info update at that #Technical_information page. >> >>

Re: MSV11-J engineering info

On 6 July 2018 at 05:29, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > > On 7/5/18 8:20 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: > >> I don't see any chip info update at that #Technical_information page. > > The gunkies wiki is broken, none of his changes are getting out to the world. Yes, that's very strange.. if

Re: [RESOLVED] Re: EPROM baking

On 5 February 2018 at 20:06, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > I have a similar gripe with barrel connectors, > which don't seem to enforce any standard at all regarding polarity or AC > vs. DC. .. which led me to accidentally power a USB hub with 12V instead of 5V - the

Re: CLASSICCMP vs. RackSpace or Gmail

On 6 February 2018 at 06:09, Zane Healy via cctalk > And obviously I meant to ask, is anyone able to get email from this list via > either gmail or an email account hosted by RackSpace? I've always used gmail with the list. There used to be a problem with automatic de-subscription due to

Re: STC 2920 tapedrive schematics

On 24 March 2017 at 18:40, Camiel Vanderhoeven via cctech wrote: > Does anyone have schematics for an STC (StorageTek) 2920 reel-to-reel > tapedrive?[..] That drive was discussed on the list some time ago. All the docs should be available on bitsavers by now, although I

Re: [VideoMagia] Reparando um Vectrex

On 24 March 2017 at 22:13, jim stephens <jwsm...@jwsss.com> wrote: > > > On 3/24/2017 8:43 AM, Tor Arntsen via cctalk wrote: No, I did not! > It sure has the signature of spam. A link to some random place, without > explanation of what it is, text in Portuguese when

Re: [VideoMagia] Reparando um Vectrex

On 24 March 2017 at 16:34, Alexandre Souza via cctalk wrote: > Well...there is some description in english, google translate is a very > useful tool and the post has a pertinent video. I cannot view it as spam. > Anyway...sorry for bothering :) > > Enviado do meu Tele-Movel

Re: Any faithful VT100 Emulators?

On 22 March 2017 at 02:02, Warren Toomey via cctalk wrote: > Which raises the question, are there any _good_ VT100 terminal > emulators, especially for Linux? For any other platforms? xterm never gives me any problems. But the default terminal emulators of Gnome or KDE

Re: I hate the new mail system

On 17 March 2017 at 14:43, Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk wrote: > > > On 03/16/2017 10:07 PM, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote: >> >> I'm pretty confident that every member of the list appreciates the >> time, effort and whatever else you and certain others have >> contributed to

Re: I hate the new mail system

On 9 March 2017 at 10:50, Christian Corti via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Thu, 9 Mar 2017, Tor Arntsen wrote: >> >> I did an strace and I can confirm that the Linux 'whois' client that I >> used from those various sites sends '-T dn' (or actually -T dn,a

Re: I hate the new mail system

On 8 March 2017 at 19:46, Pete Turnbull wrote: > Notice that - unlike normal whois servers - this one apparently requires > some other stuff, possibly including the text "whois", as part of the query. > That may explain why a normal whois client gets an error, because

Re: I hate the new mail system

On 7 March 2017 at 15:57, Pete Turnbull via cctalk wrote: > On 07/03/2017 13:47, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote: >> >> On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Pete Turnbull wrote: >>> >>> No, Mouse is right, it's broken: >> >> >> Works for me (also from different networks outside the

Re: Test

On 7 March 2017 at 01:18, Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote: > Test again, None of my posts seem to be getting through... Saw it. And also what you sent a day ago(?), about using the 79L05

Re: I the new mail system

On 4 March 2017 at 17:40, CuriousMarc via cctalk wrote: > For what it's worth, I'm OK with it too. It correctly shows that this is a > message relayed by a list sent from a person. I can easily choose whether I > want to respond to the list or to the person or both, I had

Re: Microscope for Soldering and Inspection Work

On 16 January 2017 at 00:51, Jon Elson wrote: > Also, flux smoke gets all over the lenses. That is one downside on my > Olympus, the bottom is not sealed. I made up some card stock and glued it > in place to try to prevent the smoke getting inside. But, it still gets

Re: GMAIL accounts suspended.

On 9 January 2017 at 14:37, william degnan wrote: > On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 8:09 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > >> On 9 January 2017 at 10:06, Dave Wade wrote: >> > Why does this keep on happening? What is google doing to cause this to >>

Re: General public machines (Was: Altair 8800 name Was: Re: Altair 680 Expansion Boards?

On 23 December 2016 at 05:45, drlegendre . wrote: urs was no exception, and I thank you for it. > > For one, I hadn't known that CP/M was written originally to the 8080.. I'd > always assumed it originated on the Z80. There are only 8080 instructions in CP/M, not a single

Re: OT: Excessive bounce notices?

Sigh. Again. Lost two days of messages this time. 'Excessive bounces'. I have a gmail address. It's not like google will disappear, what's the point of disabling list members on a gmail address? Presumably there was another general network-wide ddos attack which affected the network as a whole

Re: OT: Excessive bounce notices?

On 22 October 2016 at 17:27, Adrian Graham wrote: [..] >> Same story from me, and I also wondered about the excessive bounces - >> because of gmail. > > Ditto, and ditto. I also thought it was due to the dyndns attack so just > resubbed after emailing Jay, but if

Re: OT: Excessive bounce notices?

On 22 October 2016 at 04:07, Sam O'nella wrote: > Just curious, I probably could have just asked Jay but incase this was wider > spread I received a message that my subscription at my Gmail was suspended > due to bounces. I was wondering if that may have been only today and

Re: Burroughs B5000 emulator

On 21 October 2016 at 16:37, Liam Proven wrote: > A friend of mine is working on an emulator for this Burroughs Large > Systems beast. [..] > I have suggested to him that it might be easier to work under an > existing mini/mainframe emulator, such as SimH or maybe even >

Re: StorageTek 2920 9-track manual or instructions wanted

On 30 June 2016 at 14:33, Al Kossow <a...@bitsavers.org> wrote: > On 6/30/16 12:23 AM, Tor Arntsen wrote: >> >> On 29 June 2016 at 22:11, Al Kossow <a...@bitsavers.org> wrote: >> >>> there is one version of the maint manual up under stc on bitsavers now.

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 15 September 2016 at 11:43, Liam Proven <lpro...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 15 September 2016 at 09:30, Tor Arntsen <kspt@gmail.com> wrote: >> A bit like not noticing >> that the USB stick runs Linux.. which happens. > > Er. Explain? How can a dumb storage devi

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 14 September 2016 at 16:51, Liam Proven <lpro...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 14 September 2016 at 15:59, Tor Arntsen <kspt@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 14 September 2016 at 15:50, Liam Proven <lpro...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> To this day, I have never once u

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 14 September 2016 at 15:50, Liam Proven wrote: > To this day, I have never once used any form of NFS or ever seen it in use. A typo, I presume? NFS, as in Network File System? Used, for example, everywhere where Sun boxes were installed, for our (European) company that

Re: "Unix Implementation" paper in HTML

On 23 August 2016 at 15:24, jim stephens wrote: > > > On 8/23/2016 5:53 AM, Liam Proven wrote: >> This one? >> >> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/2866044_UNIX_implementation > Also google barfed up this @ Archive.org > > https://archive.org/details/bstj57-6-1931 >

Re: Tape imaging

> On 08/10/2016 07:42 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > >> congratulations, you reinvented .tap format.. badly. >> >> how did you handle unreadable blocks. I didn't. I didn't have any unreadable blocks. I have CCTs that I made (and sometimes got elsewhere) going back to the eighties. No read errors. I

Re: Tape imaging

On 10 August 2016 at 15:22, wrote: > I successfully took a (factory new) DEC TSZ07 SCSI tape drive into operation > using a Sun SS20 and a Linux box. > > Now I do have a big pile of CDC, DEC, HP, Convex and IBM tapes and I'd like > to create tape images to file to save the

Re: StorageTek 2920 9-track manual or instructions wanted

On 29 June 2016 at 22:11, Al Kossow wrote: > there is one version of the maint manual up under stc on bitsavers now. it > turns > out I have several other versions, and the manual for the formatter I noticed there's now both an stc directory (with the 2920 manual) and a

Re: LASM compatible cross assembler?

On 9 June 2016 at 16:54, Chris Osborn wrote: > Alternately, is the source code for Ward Christensen's LASM available > anywhere? The best I could find was a note from a Kermit developer from 27 > years ago asking for the source. I suppose I could use a disassembler, but

Re: Station wagon full of tapes vs cigarette pack (was Re: thinking of the "ultimate" retro x86 PCs - what bits to seek/keep)

On 3 June 2016 at 22:21, Swift Griggs wrote: > On Fri, 3 Jun 2016, Mike Stein wrote: >> How many station wagons full of 9-track tapes would fit into a (20) >> cigarette box filled with microSD cards? > > Station wagon full of tapes = 51 GB > Pack of stogies full of SD =

Re: ND-10 software - Re: Harris H800 Computer

On 21 May 2016 at 18:38, Mattis Lind wrote: > I have now added some 80 more floppies to download if you would like to > check. > > http://www.datormuseum.se/documentation-software/norsk-data-floppy-disks Thanks Mattis! Downloaded. I will go through them soon. Chuck, the

Re: beige rant (was Re: IBM 5150 with red case on ebay)

On 14 May 2016 at 04:34, Jason T wrote: > On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 9:20 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: >> Apple manufactured an OEM Apple ][+ ? Really? I was pretty sure the B's >> were an independent product. Apple licensed them to try to step on the >>

Re: beige rant (was Re: IBM 5150 with red case on ebay)

On 14 May 2016 at 04:20, Lyndon Nerenberg <lyn...@orthanc.ca> wrote: > >> On May 13, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Tor Arntsen <kspt@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> They weren't even clones, they were the real deal. Apple II Plus >> computers produced by Apple for B for a ti

Re: beige rant (was Re: IBM 5150 with red case on ebay)

On 14 May 2016 at 03:16, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > >> On May 13, 2016, at 6:11 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: >> >> Ever see one of those black computers from Hell and Bowel, that seem just >> like an Apple? > > I sold them in the early 80s. My memory is very

Re: beige rant (was Re: IBM 5150 with red case on ebay)

On 14 May 2016 at 00:20, William Donzelli wrote: > Do not blame the computer companies, blame the customers. Beige and > gray were the colors they wanted. When companies buy, someone will have to approve (that is, provide the money). That's often the company's own

Re: It has been quiet.

On 10 May 2016 at 03:12, Eric Christopherson wrote: > Gmail always tells me COURYHOUSE's messages would have been treated as > spam, if I hadn't specifically exempted the messages of this list from ever > being blocked. I wonder if Google has a prejudice against

Re: When did Memory- and IO Protection Emerge (Esp. in Minis)?

On 5 May 2016 at 10:41, Mattis Lind wrote: > What about the Norsk Data series of machines, NORD-1, NORD-10 etc. > > The NORD-10 had memory protection and paging. Circa 1973. According to the > wiki page the NORD-1 had an option to provide virtual memory. The wiki page >

Re: ND-10 software - Re: Harris H800 Computer

On 4 May 2016 at 01:25, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > Update on NDwiki: > > I've been in contact with the persons responsible for NDwiki. > Unfortunately, the Swedish gentleman who ran ndwiki.org got very busy > with real life just after his server died, and still hasn't found

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On 29 April 2016 at 15:09, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Liam Proven > >> C is popular because C is popular. > > Yes, but that had to start somewhere. > > I think it _became_ popular for two reasons: i) it was 'the' language of > Unix, and Unix was so much

Re: Very sad message: the passing of Jon Johnston

On 28 April 2016 at 09:16, Alexandre Souza wrote: > And hpmuseum seems to be offline right now :( It's online, but you may have tried the link in Rik's post, which has a typo.

Re: Screen sizes. Was Re: Accelerator boards - no future? Bad business?

On 25 April 2016 at 23:46, Swift Griggs wrote: > On Mon, 25 Apr 2016, ben wrote: >> PS: I hate OS's for upgrading the screen resolution to get more crappy >> dancing toasters. BRING BACK 640x480. I can READ the SCREEN. > > Amen to that. I have macular degeneration in my

Re: ND-10 software - Re: Harris H800 Computer

On 21 April 2016 at 14:43, Mattis Lind wrote: > PED2.DMK and DISK8.IMD is the same disk, but different ways of reading it > off the disk. I used both the standard PC-floppy and then also the > catweasel card. I tried the catweasel for some floppies that I had reading >

Re: Harris H800 Computer

On 21 April 2016 at 13:22, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Mattis Lind wrote: >> >> Speaking of NORD-10 I put some scanned documents here: >> http://www.datormuseum.se/documentation-software/norsk-data-documentation >> and also

Re: Harris H800 Computer

On 21 April 2016 at 08:07, Raymond Wiker wrote: > I was a bit surprised to see that it used 2901 with a date code of 1985 - > the 2901 was introduced 10 years before. > > In the late 1970s, Norsk Data implemented the ND10 architecture with the > 2901. It was thought that this

Re: High performance coprocessor boards of the 80s and 90s - was Re: SGI ONYX

On 21 April 2016 at 05:10, Josh Dersch wrote: > Ok, this one's from the 70s, and it's a large, external unit rather than a > single board, but I have a Floating Point Systems AP-120B, essentially an > array processor for fast floating point operations. There's a bit of >

Re: Vintage Computer Forum

On 14 April 2016 at 16:04, Rod Smallwood wrote: > > I have no idea what you are talking about. > I have no user name no password or anything else to search with. > Please repeat your message in understandable English > > Rod Smallwood > Sorry. I simply assumed

Re: Why do good floppy disks go bad?

The problem with lifetime warranties is that they're not about the lifetime of the owner, and they're not about the lifetime of the product. What it means is "as long as it's a product we're still selling" (except for those cases where it *really* is the lifetime of the product.. in which case it

Re: PDP-11/20 vd one that just says pdp 11 what are the date differences?? OEM?

On 22 February 2016 at 20:08, wrote: > > > Then there is this information. > > PDP-11/15 > > > (http://gunkies.org/wiki/PDP-11/15#column-one) > (http://gunkies.org/wiki/PDP-11/15#searchInput) > > > This is the OEM version of the _PDP-11/20_ >

Re: scan of IEEE-696 standard

On 20 December 2015 at 07:25, Eric Smith wrote: >> Is this it? (1983) >> http://www.pestingers.net/PDFs/Other_computers/IEEE%20696%20S-100%20Bus%20Specs.pdf > > That's the one that's been screwed up by OCR. What about this one? Except for the front page and possibly the very

Re: What did computers without screens do?

On 15 December 2015 at 01:31, Mike wrote: > > On 12/14/2015 08:21 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: >> Personally, I think the world is GUI-addicted. >> >> --Chuck >> > Chuck If I may ask... > > > What would you do with a home no screen computer? I mean what could be > done with

Re: Open FPGAs? - was Re: Project Oberon and OberonStation (resend)

On 24 November 2015 at 22:42, Mouse wrote: > What I was really interested in was whether the FPGA itself was open. > If so, I definitely would have wanted to pick up the hardware, because > I would love to experiment with an FPGA - but I am _not_ going to put > up