[cctalk] Re: How much memory?

2023-06-17 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sat, Jun 17, 2023, 10:38 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > On 6/17/2023 10:42 AM, Henry Bent via cctalk wrote: > > On Sat, 17 Jun 2023 at 10:31, Paul Koning via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > > wrote: > > > >> BSD 2.11 had TCP/IP. > >> > > Later versions of

[cctalk] Re: How much memory?

2023-06-17 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 6/17/2023 10:42 AM, Henry Bent via cctalk wrote: On Sat, 17 Jun 2023 at 10:31, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: BSD 2.11 had TCP/IP. Later versions of 2.9BSD had TCP/IP though the hardware support was pretty limited. And you could probably use the present tense for 2.11BSD, it's still

[cctalk] Re: How much memory?

2023-06-17 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 6:04 PM ben via cctalk wrote: > On 2023-06-16 4:56 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > On 6/16/23 12:48, ben via cctalk wrote: > > > >> What cpu? > >> Minix was 16 bit code only. I suspect 16 bit code here as well. > >> Remember 32 bit code is 2x the size of 16 bit

[cctalk] Re: How much memory?

2023-06-17 Thread John Herron via cctalk
On Fri, Jun 16, 2023, 2:52 PM Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > > > On Jun 16, 2023, at 3:40 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > On 6/16/23 12:02, ben via cctalk wrote: > > > >> Ken , Jobs and Wozniak need their fair share. > >> Graphics and file system buffers

[cctalk] Re: How much memory?

2023-06-17 Thread Henry Bent via cctalk
On Sat, 17 Jun 2023 at 10:31, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > BSD 2.11 had TCP/IP. > Later versions of 2.9BSD had TCP/IP though the hardware support was pretty limited. And you could probably use the present tense for 2.11BSD, it's still getting patches. -Henry

[cctalk] Re: How much memory?

2023-06-17 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jun 16, 2023, at 8:04 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: > > On 2023-06-16 4:56 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: >> On 6/16/23 12:48, ben via cctalk wrote: >>> What cpu? >>> Minix was 16 bit code only. I suspect 16 bit code here as well. >>> Remember 32 bit code is 2x the size of 16 bit stuff.

[cctalk] Re: How much memory?

2023-06-16 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Remember 32 bit code is 2x the size of 16 bit stuff. On 2023-06-16 2:31 p.m., r.stricklin via cctalk wrote: Are you, like, trying to play the list for laughs, with this kind of comment? On Fri, 16 Jun 2023, ben via cctalk wrote: It is not? 3x's better. All I know after x86 programs keep

[cctalk] Re: How much memory?

2023-06-16 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2023-06-16 4:56 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 6/16/23 12:48, ben via cctalk wrote: What cpu? Minix was 16 bit code only. I suspect 16 bit code here as well. Remember 32 bit code is 2x the size of 16 bit stuff. 32-bit, I'm afraid. To quote: WHAT IS LINUX? Linux is a Unix

[cctalk] Re: How much memory?

2023-06-16 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2023-06-16 2:31 p.m., r.stricklin via cctalk wrote: On Jun 16, 2023, at 12:48 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: Remember 32 bit code is 2x the size of 16 bit stuff. Are you, like, trying to play the list for laughs, with this kind of comment? It is not? 3x's better. All I know after x86

[cctalk] Re: How much memory?

2023-06-16 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2023-06-16 2:12 p.m., Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 6/16/2023 3:51 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Jun 16, 2023, at 3:40 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 6/16/23 12:02, ben via cctalk wrote: Ken , Jobs and  Wozniak need their fair share. Graphics and file system

[cctalk] Re: How much memory?

2023-06-16 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 6/16/23 12:48, ben via cctalk wrote: > What cpu? > Minix was 16 bit code only. I suspect 16 bit code here as well. > Remember 32 bit code is 2x the size of 16 bit stuff. 32-bit, I'm afraid. To quote: WHAT IS LINUX? Linux is a Unix clone for 386/486-based PCs written from scratch by

[cctalk] Re: How much memory?

2023-06-16 Thread r.stricklin via cctalk
> On Jun 16, 2023, at 12:48 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: > > Remember 32 bit code is 2x the size of 16 bit stuff. Are you, like, trying to play the list for laughs, with this kind of comment? ok bear.

[cctalk] Re: How much memory?

2023-06-16 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 6/16/2023 3:51 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Jun 16, 2023, at 3:40 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 6/16/23 12:02, ben via cctalk wrote: Ken , Jobs and Wozniak need their fair share. Graphics and file system buffers take up more space than you expect. I just transferred

[cctalk] Re: How much memory?

2023-06-16 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 1:49 PM ben via cctalk wrote: > On 2023-06-16 1:40 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > On 6/16/23 12:02, ben via cctalk wrote: > > > >> Ken , Jobs and Wozniak need their fair share. > >> Graphics and file system buffers take up more > >> space than you expect. > > >

[cctalk] Re: How much memory?

2023-06-16 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jun 16, 2023, at 3:40 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > On 6/16/23 12:02, ben via cctalk wrote: > >> Ken , Jobs and Wozniak need their fair share. >> Graphics and file system buffers take up more >> space than you expect. > > I just transferred a DC150 tar tape. Total

[cctalk] Re: How much memory?

2023-06-16 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2023-06-16 1:40 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 6/16/23 12:02, ben via cctalk wrote: Ken , Jobs and  Wozniak need their fair share. Graphics and file system buffers take up more space than you expect. I just transferred a DC150 tar tape. Total (uncompressed) file size was 11MB.

[cctalk] Re: How much memory?

2023-06-16 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 6/16/23 12:02, ben via cctalk wrote: > Ken , Jobs and  Wozniak need their fair share. > Graphics and file system buffers take up more > space than you expect. I just transferred a DC150 tar tape. Total (uncompressed) file size was 11MB. What was on it? The complete source to Linux 1.0.

[cctalk] Re: How much memory?

2023-06-16 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 12:02 PM ben via cctalk wrote: > On 2023-06-16 12:24 p.m., Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: > > I was at a Comdex once in Chicago where the featured speaker was Bill > > Gates and he said that Microsoft would never write a program that needed > > more than 256K of memory. > >

[cctalk] Re: How much memory?

2023-06-16 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2023-06-16 12:24 p.m., Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: I was at a Comdex once in Chicago where the featured speaker was Bill Gates and he said that Microsoft would never write a program that needed more than 256K of memory. A few years later, Microsoft Exchange Server required a minimum of

[cctalk] Re: How much memory?

2023-06-16 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
I was at a Comdex once in Chicago where the featured speaker was Bill Gates and he said that Microsoft would never write a program that needed more than 256K of memory. A few years later, Microsoft Exchange Server required a minimum of 256MB of memory to run. Just for comparison my new

[cctalk] Re: How much memory?

2023-06-16 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
640K was maybe "enough for anyone" Weird but I even seem to remember someone saying "who woukd been more than 64k" On Fri, 16 Jun 2023, Adam Thornton via cctalk wrote: And let's not forget "what's the hardest part about emulating Gerald Ford on a PDP-8? Figuring out what to do with the other