On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 1:13 PM Steve Lewis via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Yes, it seems PALM did have a few evolutions, which just makes me curious
> if there were even earlier editions than this one from 1972.But even if
> so - then like the 4004, we're struggling to find
Yes, it seems PALM did have a few evolutions, which just makes me curious
if there were even earlier editions than this one from 1972.But even if
so - then like the 4004, we're struggling to find evidence of actual
products that made use of them. Wasn't the 4004 used in some cash
registers,
Well, just to throw this into the conversation:
Over this past summer, I was studying the SCAMP (
https://voidstar.blog/scamp-a-review-50-years-later/ )
In that collection I came across a very early printing of the PALM
instruction set, with the cover page dated March 21, 1972 of the printing,
great old "Scelbi 8008 " article in killobaud or Byte in one if the EARLY
Issues!
Ed#
In a message dated 11/25/2023 7:34:21 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
Sorry if not linked correctly - looking through the list via the
archives.."reply" option doesn't seem to
Well, just to throw this into the conversation:
Over this past summer, I was studying the SCAMP (
https://voidstar.blog/scamp-a-review-50-years-later/ )
In that collection I came across a very early printing of the PALM
instruction set, with the cover page dated March 21, 1972 of the printing,
Sorry if not linked correctly - looking through the list via the archives..
"reply" option doesn't seem to work (at least for me - older Chrome)
>but my understanding was that the 4004 and 8008 were effectively developed
>at the same time? And were announced or available about within one month
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Cc: dwight
Subject: Re: [cctalk] Re: Intel 4004(sp?)
Ibad an intellectual 4 offered to me one time that had a 4040 in it. Is t a
4040 like a 5 but more of the aux chips integrated? Is instruction set the same?
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2023, Fred Cisin wrote:
An absurd argument:
It could be argued that the 8085, rather than being designed from scratch was
simply a modification of the 8080. Perhaps significant modifications, but
nevertheless modifications, not redesign from scratch.
8080 and 8085 are
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Subject: [cctalk] Re: Intel 4004(sp?)
To: ED SHARPE , "cctalk@classiccmp.org"
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> On Nov 22, 2023, at 3:51 AM, ED SHARPE via cctalk
> wrot
- What were the key differences between the Intelec 4 and our Intelec 8?
- What are the possible accessories for Intelec 8? We have a dual floppy
cabinet is all.
Years I saw an Intel blue colored standalone paper tape punch and reader(we
would like one!)
Is there a good site that addresses
On 11/22/23 19:08, ben via cctalk wrote:
> for the most common sequences being shorter. 8 bit bytes only give space
> for byte or word instructions, not both. Prefix bytes are good
> compromise with the segmented 64K memory space. Data and code space are
> optimized for 16 bits. You want 32 bits,
Ibad an intellectual 4 offered to me one time that had a 4040 in it. Is t a
4040 like a 5 but more of the aux chips integrated? Is instruction set the same?
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On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 8:34 PM, dwight via cctalk
wrote: The Intlec 4 was no more or less a computer than
The Intlec 4 was no more or less a computer than the Altiar or IMSAI was. It
didn't typically have as much RAM but one could write and run code on it.
As for the F14 processor. For the purpose used, it was likely a DSP. More
intended to do matrix multiplication using adds and shifts. This would
On 2023-11-22 6:53 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 11/22/23 16:47, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
Yup. I have vivid memories of the Intel rep telling us that not only
was the 8086 compatible with the 8085, conversion could be automated
through their ISIS-II based conversion program--and
On 11/22/23 16:47, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> When the 5150 came out, the CP/M software companies, such as MicroPro
> (Wordstar) and Sourcim (Supercalc), were able to port their products to
> it much faster than anybody could port stuff to Macintosh.
Yup. I have vivid memories of the
On 11/22/23 15:06, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> Therefore, it could be argued that Win11 can be run on a "heavily
> modified modified 4004"
Certainly possible, if not incredibly silly.
--Chuck
Motorola tended to redesign from scratch, whereas Intel would modify their
previous design.
On Wed, 22 Nov 2023, Paul Koning wrote:
Which might explain why the x86 ISA is such a convoluted tangle.
Although redesign from scratch will tend to produce a better product,
modifying previous
> On Nov 22, 2023, at 6:06 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> ...
> Motorola tended to redesign from scratch, whereas Intel would modify their
> previous design.
Which might explain why the x86 ISA is such a convoluted tangle.
Moto did those things too in various places, though:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2023, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote:
Was there ever a COMPUTER using a 4004 that you cud really do something
or did tat finally arrive with the 8008 as in the skelby shelby sp? 8008 i
now there was an Intel INTELIC 4 (?sp) could n that use 4004 or one of
the
Haven't caught up on the whole 4004 discussion here,
but my understanding was that the 4004 and 8008 were effectively developed
at the same time? And were announced or available about within one month
of each other?
On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 2:51 AM ED SHARPE via cctalk
wrote:
> Was there
> On Nov 22, 2023, at 3:51 AM, ED SHARPE via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> Was there ever a COMPUTER using a 4004 that you cud really do
> something or did tat finally arrive with the 8008 as in the skelby shelby
> sp? 8008 i now there was an Intel INTELIC 4 (?sp)could n that use
Damn typos sorry
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On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 1:51 AM, ED SHARPE via cctalk
wrote: Was there ever a COMPUTER using a 4004 that you cud really do
something or did tat finally arrive with the 8008 as in the skelby shelby
sp? 8008 i now there was an Intel
Was there ever a COMPUTER using a 4004 that you cud really do something
or did tat finally arrive with the 8008 as in the skelby shelby sp? 8008 i
now there was an Intel INTELIC 4 (?sp) could n that use 4004 or one of
the later 4000 numbered proc. We have an intelec 8 and
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