I have to call it every time I misplace it in the house somewhere ;-) Never
in the fridge yet, so far...
Golden years, my derriere!
On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 6:37 PM Rick Bensene via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Mike wrote:
> ...
> Gawd, I still remember those numbers, some 60 years
On 2023-10-02 4:36 p.m., Rick Bensene via cctalk wrote:
Mike wrote:
...
Gawd, I still remember those numbers, some 60 years later; so why can't I
remember my thirty-year old cell phone number...
Because you rarely, if ever, call it. ;-)
I never could figure out how to call myself, so I
On 2023-10-02 1:15 p.m., Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 5:18 AM Stefan Skoglund via cctalk
wrote:
The main problem with that lorry hurtling down the freeway is
latency.
I need to move 1 PB . how long will it take filling and packing
enough IBM LTO-9 tapes to
Mike wrote:
...
Gawd, I still remember those numbers, some 60 years later; so why can't I
remember my thirty-year old cell phone number...
Because you rarely, if ever, call it. ;-)
I remember making those lines, but they were more for a crash across the
room on the way from the 082 sorter to the 077 collator.
Gawd, I still remember those numbers, some 60 years later; so why can't I
remember my thirty-year old cell phone number...
On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 3:15 PM Fred Cisin
On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 5:18 AM Stefan Skoglund via cctalk
wrote:
The main problem with that lorry hurtling down the freeway is latency.
I need to move 1 PB . how long will it take filling and packing
enough IBM LTO-9 tapes to send 1 PB ?
How long does it takes to fill 1 tape with 18
Stefan,
Back it up to floppy diskettes.
HaHa. Sorry I could not resist.
-Ken
On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 5:18 AM Stefan Skoglund via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> The main problem with that lorry hurtling down the freeway is
> latency.
>
> I need to move 1 PB . how long will it
Josh Rice
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The main problem w
The main problem with that lorry hurtling down the freeway is
latency.
I need to move 1 PB . how long will it take filling and packing
enough IBM LTO-9 tapes to send 1 PB ?
How long does it takes to fill 1 tape with 18 TB ?
On 2023-05-07 19:08, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
Salisbury is the place in England where they used to dump the unusable
remnants of the animals that went to slaughter.
Sellam
On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 12:18 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 5/7/23 11:58, Tarek
Salisbury is the place in England where they used to dump the unusable
remnants of the animals that went to slaughter.
Sellam
On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 12:18 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On 5/7/23 11:58, Tarek Hoteit via cctalk wrote:
> > Did you ever choose the
On 5/7/23 11:58, Tarek Hoteit via cctalk wrote:
> Did you ever choose the mystery meal?
>
> Regards,
> Tarek Hoteit
Only if it was the only choice left. On the menu, I think it was called
"salisbury steak"
--Chuck
Did you ever choose the mystery meal?
Regards,
Tarek Hoteit
> On May 7, 2023, at 9:50 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On 5/7/23 08:35, KenUnix via cctalk wrote:
>> Chuck,
>>
>> Did you at least get a bag peanuts on the flight?
>>
>
> It was always a dinner flight, so I had my
On 5/7/23 08:35, KenUnix via cctalk wrote:
> Chuck,
>
> Did you at least get a bag peanuts on the flight?
>
It was always a dinner flight, so I had my choice of chicken or mystery
meat (the flight attendants called it that). If I was able to make
reservations, I usually specified the kosher
Chuck,
Did you at least get a bag peanuts on the flight?
Ken
On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 11:20 AM David Barto via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> I believe it was Henry Spenser at a USENIX conference that said “Never
> underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with mag tape”.
I believe it was Henry Spenser at a USENIX conference that said “Never
underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with mag tape”.
David
> On May 5, 2023, at 8:59 PM, steve shumaker via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> There used to be a running joke in the test center on Kwajalein
On 5/5/2023 3:33 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:
On 2023-05-05 2:06 p.m., Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
On 5/5/2023 1:44 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:
On 2023-05-04 2:31 p.m., Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
True but I don't miss 53K bps analog POTS modem speeds.
My Internet varies between 700Mbps
AT recently ran a fiber line along the boulevard adjacent to the farm.
The hold-up in ordering service is that they want a state-issued
identification, which I don't have, and don't want to have. Their most
incredibly obnoxiously stupid reason for this is (and I kid you not) "you
will have our
On 2023-05-05 8:39 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
I do remember the bad old days, when even a leased line was
insufficiently fast or reliable to send a quantity of data. I recall
many times taking the "noon balloon" out of San Jose with my Samsonite
carry-on case and not so much as a
The iconic quote was Tannenbaum's "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a
station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway."
On Fri, 5 May 2023, steve shumaker via cctalk wrote:
There used to be a running joke in the test center on Kwajalein Atoll about
the C141 full of mission tapes
There used to be a running joke in the test center on Kwajalein Atoll
about the C141 full of mission tapes having a higher bit rate than the
undersea cable connecting us to the mainland.
Steve
On 5/5/23 7:39 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
I do remember the bad old days, when even a leased
I do remember the bad old days, when even a leased line was
insufficiently fast or reliable to send a quantity of data. I recall
many times taking the "noon balloon" out of San Jose with my Samsonite
carry-on case and not so much as a toothbrush. On arrival, turn the
contents of the case over to
On 2023-05-05 2:57 p.m., Mike Katz wrote:
And for some more nostalgia:
4.5MB of punch cards (approx. 334 lbs):
That is old, a full sized skirt.:)
On 2023-05-05 2:48 p.m., Tony Jones via cctalk wrote:
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 1:31 PM ben via cctalk wrote:
True, until the last few years, I was on dial up speeds.
I think you may be an outlier ;-)
You know a MOOSE could just walk and read this. You don't want a angry
MOOSE.
> On May 5, 2023, at 3:55 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> People evidently don't recall the bad old days of POTS where calls
> outside of your calling area was billed as long-distance and reception
> was noisy and slow. Back then, a leased line connected to a 208 modem
> would run
When we moved to this house 33 years ago, there was no cable (still
isn't available), and wired POTS was it. About 12 wire miles from the
CO, so 56K was just a dream. Maybe 15 years ago, I was approached by
the local telco because they wanted to replaced deteriorating buried
copper with fiber
On Fri, 5 May 2023 at 16:41, Liam Proven via cctalk
wrote:
> On Fri, 5 May 2023 at 21:26, Mike Stein via cctalk
> wrote:
> >
> > No doubt many folks do have a need for speed but FWIW I get by fine with
> 6
> > Mbps D/L speed, streaming Youtube and local cable channels, browsing the
> > web,
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 2:03 PM Mike Stein via cctalk
wrote:
> I think you might be surprised by how many people still have to use
> dial-up;
>
obviously it still exists, a 1 sec Google search shows that:
I think you might be surprised by how many people still have to use
dial-up; at my cottage there is no cable service and high-speed fibre is
finally just being installed this year as the area becomes more populous.
Cell coverage is spotty, so a local hotspot is not always available or
reliable and
On 5/5/2023 4:33 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:
On 2023-05-05 2:06 p.m., Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
On 5/5/2023 1:44 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:
On 2023-05-04 2:31 p.m., Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
True but I don't miss 53K bps analog POTS modem speeds.
My Internet varies between 700Mbps
Toll-free dial-up and the landline were very handy at my cottage, where the
only moderately high-speed option was expensive satellite or microwave
access.
I also worked from home at the cottage; fortunately it only involved
text-only remote access which also worked remarkably well at 56K; large
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 1:31 PM ben via cctalk wrote:
>
> True, until the last few years, I was on dial up speeds.
>
I think you may be an outlier ;-)
On May 4, 2023, at 10:51 AM, Patrick Finnegan via cctalk
wrote:
>
> It seems like all of the good USENET providers are subscription
> services now. I'm not sure of any ISP that I've heard of who still
> runs one.
What about eternal-september.org?
-- Chris
On Fri, 5 May 2023 at 21:26, Mike Stein via cctalk
wrote:
>
> No doubt many folks do have a need for speed but FWIW I get by fine with 6
> Mbps D/L speed, streaming Youtube and local cable channels, browsing the
> web, email & fora, etc.;
... wow.
I had 500Mb/s for ~CzK 1000/mth in Prague.
On Fri, May 5, 2023, at 10:44 AM, ben via cctalk wrote:
> How ever the people still use them. Fast internet is only good about 1?
> km from
> the router. Other than Netflix or Multiplayer games, what is really high
> speed internet needed for?
> Ben.
When I had 1200 baud I wanted 2400. When I
The local cable channels here are served over ethernet and that works fine
for me at 6 Mbps, with only a very occasional hiccup.
m
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 4:22 PM Tony Jones via cctalk
wrote:
> On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 1:06 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> >
> >
On 2023-05-05 2:06 p.m., Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
On 5/5/2023 1:44 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:
On 2023-05-04 2:31 p.m., Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
True but I don't miss 53K bps analog POTS modem speeds.
My Internet varies between 700Mbps and 950Mbps. I don't miss analog
modem days
On 2023-05-05 1:02 p.m., Tony Jones via cctalk wrote:
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 10:59 AM ben via cctalk
wrote:
On 2023-05-04 2:31 p.m., Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
the router. Other than Netflix or Multiplayer games, what is really high
speed internet needed for?
Ben.
I do development that
No doubt many folks do have a need for speed but FWIW I get by fine with 6
Mbps D/L speed, streaming Youtube and local cable channels, browsing the
web, email & fora, etc.; I've also got a fall-back 56K toll-free dial-up
option which is still good for email and messaging when broadband is not
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 1:06 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> Downloading the latest FreeBSD ISO in less than a week? :-)
>
I took the question as more "why do you need a gigabit"?
Comcast had kept slowly bumping us up over the term of several contracts,
from
On 5/5/2023 1:44 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:
On 2023-05-04 2:31 p.m., Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
True but I don't miss 53K bps analog POTS modem speeds.
My Internet varies between 700Mbps and 950Mbps. I don't miss analog
modem days in the least. There is no nostalgia there.
How ever the
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 10:59 AM ben via cctalk
wrote:
> On 2023-05-04 2:31 p.m., Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
> the router. Other than Netflix or Multiplayer games, what is really high
> speed internet needed for?
> Ben.
>
I do development that involves pulling large SCS trees, lots of fetching
I beg to differ with you.
I get download speeds over 100 Mbps regularly. A lot of download speed
is dependent on the site being downloaded from's upload speed.
Also, having very high speed internet allows for streaming on multiple
devices. Like when my wife watching something on the Roku
Summoning my inner "grumpy old man" but the lack of (or evolved?) Web
standards produce webpages congested with large advertisements, embedded
videos, etc that aren't useful for the site. I don't know what the average
size is these days but seems pretty ridiculous. That and the number of
trackers,
On 2023-05-04 2:31 p.m., Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
True but I don't miss 53K bps analog POTS modem speeds.
My Internet varies between 700Mbps and 950Mbps. I don't miss analog
modem days in the least. There is no nostalgia there.
How ever the people still use them. Fast internet is only
On 04/05/2023 22:46, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
Any flamewars that you were reading are probably still active.
I guess the site is called eternal-september for a reason :)
Julf
geneb wrote:
> Patrick Finnegan wrote:
>> It seems like all of the good USENET providers are subscription
>> services now.
> You can get free access via http://www.eternal-september.org/
There's also news.dotsrc.org. (formerly sunsite.dk)
On Thu, 4 May 2023, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
True but I don't miss 53K bps analog POTS modem speeds.
My Internet varies between 700Mbps and 950Mbps. I don't miss analog modem
days in the least. There is no nostalgia there.
Best of both worlds:
https://tempestfpga.com/retromodem/
:)
True but I don't miss 53K bps analog POTS modem speeds.
My Internet varies between 700Mbps and 950Mbps. I don't miss analog
modem days in the least. There is no nostalgia there.
I consider analog modems similar to out houses. An interesting
historical factoid but not something to be
On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 1:46 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> > On 5/4/23 13:23, geneb via cctalk wrote:
> >> You can get free access via http://www.eternal-september.org/, however
> >> they don't carry any binary groups. (no loss really)
>
> On Thu, 4 May 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> >
On 5/4/23 13:23, geneb via cctalk wrote:
You can get free access via http://www.eternal-september.org/, however
they don't carry any binary groups. (no loss really)
On Thu, 4 May 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
That's useful to know--I haven't been on usenet in perhaps 40 years.
That's
On 5/4/23 13:23, geneb via cctalk wrote:
> You can get free access via http://www.eternal-september.org/, however
> they don't carry any binary groups. (no loss really)
>
That's useful to know--I haven't been on usenet in perhaps 40 years.
--Chuck
On Thu, 4 May 2023, Patrick Finnegan via cctalk wrote:
It seems like all of the good USENET providers are subscription
services now. I'm not sure of any ISP that I've heard of who still
runs one.
You can get free access via http://www.eternal-september.org/, however
they don't carry any
On 5/4/2023 1:41 PM, Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote:
Unfortunately my local ISP doesn't run a server any more. :(
Doesn't have to be local. I use a server in Berlin.
Back in the 80's I used to run the USENET (and UUCP)
gateway for Finland.
I used to run a server at the University
Thanks! Wow, they even provide UUCP batches!
Julf
On 04/05/2023 20:00, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
On Thu, 4 May 2023 at 18:49, Johan Helsingius via cctalk
wrote:
Unfortunately my local ISP doesn't run a server any more. :(
I use Eternal September, via Thunderbird. Works very
On Thu, 4 May 2023 at 18:49, Johan Helsingius via cctalk
wrote:
>
> Unfortunately my local ISP doesn't run a server any more. :(
I use Eternal September, via Thunderbird. Works very well.
Password requirements are annoying, and the initial setup is very
non-intuitive, but follow the
A shame. :(
Julf
On 04/05/2023 19:51, Patrick Finnegan wrote:
It seems like all of the good USENET providers are subscription
services now. I'm not sure of any ISP that I've heard of who still
runs one.
Pat
On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 1:49 PM Johan Helsingius via cctalk
wrote:
It seems like all of the good USENET providers are subscription
services now. I'm not sure of any ISP that I've heard of who still
runs one.
Pat
On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 1:49 PM Johan Helsingius via cctalk
wrote:
>
> Unfortunately my local ISP doesn't run a server any more. :(
>
> Back in the
Unfortunately my local ISP doesn't run a server any more. :(
Back in the 80's I used to run the USENET (and UUCP)
gateway for Finland.
Julf
On 04/05/2023 18:47, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
On 5/4/2023 10:35 AM, Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote:
On 04/05/2023 14:59, geneb via
Fidonet is def. a thing. There is a New Zealand group- FSXnet - that I found
when researching how to actually _join_ a Fidonet network. Docs for this from
the pov of someone that has never done it are few. I.E. it seem very hard to
find direction to join into Fidonet unless you are already
On Thu, 4 May 2023, Warner Losh wrote:
On Thu, May 4, 2023, 6:59 AM geneb via cctalk wrote:
On Wed, 3 May 2023, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
Don't forget fidonet (a network of bulletin board systems).
FidoNet is still a thing too. I'm the NC of Net 138. (which sadly, is now
just myself
Running over POTS has it's appeal from a historical standpoint but from
a speed standpoint IP is orders of magnitude faster.
I think the term I was looking for is Fidonet Echomail Co-ordinator.
And net 115 was the Chicago area.
On 5/4/2023 10:30 AM, geneb wrote:
On Thu, 4 May 2023, Mike
On 5/4/2023 10:35 AM, Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote:
On 04/05/2023 14:59, geneb via cctalk wrote:
FidoNet is still a thing too.
So is USENET.
Julf
I was going to jump in and say this but you beat me to it.
I am involved in stuff on USENET all the time. Many groups have been
On Thu, May 4, 2023, 6:59 AM geneb via cctalk wrote:
> On Wed, 3 May 2023, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
>
> > Don't forget fidonet (a network of bulletin board systems).
> >
> FidoNet is still a thing too. I'm the NC of Net 138. (which sadly, is now
> just myself and a couple of other nodes.)
>
On Thu, 4 May 2023, Mike Katz wrote:
I closed down my BBS nearly 30 years ago. I ran Bit Wiz Opus (115/689) for a
long time. I've forgotten what it was called in FidoNet but my system was
the gateway for net 115 to the back bone for several years. At a telephone
cost of over $100/month.
FidoNet is still a thing too.
So is USENET.
Julf
And bigger than ever (storage size wise.)
- Ethan
--
: Ethan O'Toole
On 04/05/2023 14:59, geneb via cctalk wrote:
FidoNet is still a thing too.
So is USENET.
Julf
I closed down my BBS nearly 30 years ago. I ran Bit Wiz Opus (115/689)
for a long time. I've forgotten what it was called in FidoNet but my
system was the gateway for net 115 to the back bone for several years.
At a telephone cost of over $100/month. I shut it down sometime in the
early
On Wed, 3 May 2023, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
Don't forget fidonet (a network of bulletin board systems).
FidoNet is still a thing too. I'm the NC of Net 138. (which sadly, is now
just myself and a couple of other nodes.)
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The
Don't forget fidonet (a network of bulletin board systems).
On 5/3/2023 7:09 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
On 5/3/2023 7:58 PM, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote:
30 years ago the World Wide Web came into public existence. It has
enabled
cctalk to flourish.
What did the World
I am with Murray on this one. Maybe because of the WWW and not via Gopher nor
BBS led some of us to discover cctalk.
Regards,
Tarek Hoteit
> On May 3, 2023, at 5:09 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
>> On 5/3/2023 7:58 PM, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote:
>> 30 years ago the
On 5/3/2023 7:58 PM, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote:
30 years ago the World Wide Web came into public existence. It has enabled
cctalk to flourish.
What did the World Wide Web have to do with mailing lists flourishing?
We had text based
discussions long before that in the form of
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