[cctalk] Re: the mouse vs. touch sensitive devices

2023-01-30 Thread Mike Stein via cctalk
Touchscreen with a 'real' stylus. On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 1:10 PM Kenton A. Hoover via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I don't think that portrayal of Xerox's view on the mouse is correct. Much > of Interlisp and all of Smalltalk was mouse-based and Interlisp was never > designed for

[cctalk] Re: the mouse vs. touch sensitive devices

2023-01-30 Thread Kenton A. Hoover via cctalk
I don't think that portrayal of Xerox's view on the mouse is correct. Much of Interlisp and all of Smalltalk was mouse-based and Interlisp was never designed for (only) use by youth. Trackpads are fine except for detail work. Touchscreens are bound by touch targets needing to be finger-sized.

[cctalk] Re: the mouse vs. touch sensitive devices

2023-01-27 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 at 21:59, Angel M Alganza via cctalk wrote: > > Well, nobody teaches that... At least, nobody has taught me that, nor > have I ever seen anybody do that. In the early days, Apple did when it first introduced them, and some of the 1st PC laptops with them played little

[cctalk] Re: the mouse vs. touch sensitive devices

2023-01-23 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 2:39 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > IF you can get used to it, the clit-mouse can work well. > Not everybody can get used to it. > And, until you do, it is extraordinarily frustrating. > It's one of those "is the dress gold or black" kinda things. I cannot stand

[cctalk] Re: the mouse vs. touch sensitive devices

2023-01-23 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: I also once had an IBM laptop with the "eraser stick" thingie in the middle of the keyboard. I turned it back in after a few weeks and demanded some other model, any model so long as it didn't have that device. IF you can get used to it,

[cctalk] Re: the mouse vs. touch sensitive devices

2023-01-23 Thread Angel M Alganza via cctalk
On 2023-01-23 18:56, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: I find it interesting watching people using trackpads. Most don't know *how* to use them effectively. Well, nobody teaches that... At least, nobody has taught me that, nor have I ever seen anybody do that. And I have seen many people

[cctalk] Re: the mouse vs. touch sensitive devices

2023-01-23 Thread Tony Jones via cctalk
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 10:10 AM Paul Koning via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > Personally, I like trackpads. But my wife doesn't. And clearly there are > lots of opinions. Pick what you like, don't be surprised if others have > different preferences. > I love my Kensington Expert

[cctalk] Re: the mouse vs. touch sensitive devices

2023-01-23 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jan 23, 2023, at 12:56 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk > wrote: > > On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 at 00:00, Ali via cctalk wrote: >> >> I am the exact opposite. I love my track point. > > Agreed. > > Trackpads are tolerable, but I preferred the era of trackballs. But if > my laptop is on my actual

[cctalk] Re: the mouse vs. touch sensitive devices

2023-01-23 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 at 00:00, Ali via cctalk wrote: > > I am the exact opposite. I love my track point. Agreed. Trackpads are tolerable, but I preferred the era of trackballs. But if my laptop is on my actual lap, I turn off the trackpad and just use the trackpoint. Easier, less arm and hand

[cctalk] Re: the mouse vs. touch sensitive devices

2023-01-22 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever actually used a light pen. Sellam On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 3:04 PM Ali via cctalk wrote: > > > Bring back the light pen! > > Have you tried dragging and dropping in Excel with a light pen? OMG, never > again ;) > > -Ali > >

[cctalk] Re: the mouse vs. touch sensitive devices

2023-01-22 Thread Ali via cctalk
> Bring back the light pen! Have you tried dragging and dropping in Excel with a light pen? OMG, never again ;) -Ali

[cctalk] Re: the mouse vs. touch sensitive devices

2023-01-22 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 3:00 PM Ali via cctalk wrote: > > I find touch pads > > superior, make that way superior to that horrific track point used on > > old Thinkpads. > > I am the exact opposite. I love my track point. Hate touch pads. They take > up too much real estate, are consistently

[cctalk] Re: the mouse vs. touch sensitive devices

2023-01-22 Thread Ali via cctalk
> I find touch pads > superior, make that way superior to that horrific track point used on > old Thinkpads. I am the exact opposite. I love my track point. Hate touch pads. They take up too much real estate, are consistently being touched inappropriately (see what I did there... lol), and are

[cctalk] Re: the mouse vs. touch sensitive devices

2023-01-22 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 1/22/23 08:43, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: > On 1/22/23 07:14, Chris via cctalk wrote: >> Originally as I understand it the mouse as a product of Xerox was >> intended not so much for general use but to aid youngins and disabled >> people with their usage. And despite the never-mousers,

[cctalk] Re: the mouse vs. touch sensitive devices

2023-01-22 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 1/22/23 07:14, Chris via cctalk wrote: Originally as I understand it the mouse as a product of Xerox was intended not so much for general use but to aid youngins and disabled people with their usage. And despite the never-mousers, predominantly linux fanatics, it's an indispensable tool

[cctalk] Re: the mouse vs. touch sensitive devices

2023-01-22 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2023-01-22 6:14 a.m., Chris via cctalk wrote: Originally as I understand it the mouse as a product of Xerox was intended not so much for general use but to aid youngins and disabled people with their usage. And despite the never-mousers, predominantly linux fanatics, it's an indispensable