Re: DEC Purchase Specifications, particularly 23-000A9-01

2019-07-17 Thread Mark J. Blair via cctalk
> On Jul 17, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Eric Smith via cctalk > wrote: > > I expect that 70ns doesn't meed the DEC purchase specification for > 23-000A9-01, but unless we turn up a copy of the actual purchase > specification, we won't really know. It seems likely that the purchase > specification

Re: DEC Purchase Specifications, particularly 23-000A9-01

2019-07-17 Thread Mark J. Blair via cctalk
At 70ns, I can make the design pretty simple by using an EEPROM. I did some trial synthesis targeting a Lattice MachXO2 part, and I think I could get the speed down into the 20ns range that way, at the cost of a more complex board design and needing to use Lattice's synthesis tool to prepare

Re: DEC Purchase Specifications, particularly 23-000A9-01

2019-07-17 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 4:31 PM Bob Smith wrote: > https://datasheetspdf.com/pdf-file/541962/AMD/AM27S13/1 > Listed as a 50NS part > 27S32 is listed at 70NS part. > 70ns is the mil temp range rating for the 27S32; the commercial spec is 55 ns. 70ns parts would probably work fine in an M9312, as

Re: DEC Purchase Specifications, particularly 23-000A9-01

2019-07-17 Thread Bob Smith via cctalk
https://datasheetspdf.com/pdf-file/541962/AMD/AM27S13/1 Listed as a 50NS part 27S32 is listed at 70NS part. On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 2:59 PM Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 9:43 AM Mark J. Blair via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > On Jul 17, 2019, at 1:20

Re: DEC Purchase Specifications, particularly 23-000A9-01

2019-07-17 Thread Eric Smith via cctalk
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 9:43 AM Mark J. Blair via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > On Jul 17, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Paul Birkel wrote: > > From some notes (origin misplaced!) you'll need a typical access time of > > 40ns from address, or 20ns from /CS: > > Thank you! That rules out using a

Re: DEC Purchase Specifications, particularly 23-000A9-01

2019-07-17 Thread Mark J. Blair via cctalk
> On Jul 17, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Paul Birkel wrote: > From some notes (origin misplaced!) you'll need a typical access time of > 40ns from address, or 20ns from /CS: Thank you! That rules out using a 70ns EEPROM, then. I think I have a line on most of the bootstrap PROMs that I will need, but

RE: DEC Purchase Specifications, particularly 23-000A9-01

2019-07-17 Thread Paul Birkel via cctalk
-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mark J. Blair via cctalk Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 4:10 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: DEC Purchase Specifications, particularly 23-000A9-01 . If 70ns access time

Re: DEC Purchase Specifications, particularly 23-000A9-01

2019-07-16 Thread Bob Smith via cctalk
Don't know if you are aware of this data, might just give you some hints. http://www.ak6dn.com/PDP-11/M9312/ On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 4:19 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 4:10 PM Mark J. Blair via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > I've been studying

Re: DEC Purchase Specifications, particularly 23-000A9-01

2019-07-16 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 4:10 PM Mark J. Blair via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I've been studying scanned documents for the M9312 UNIBUS > bootstrap/terminator card because of reasons. They refer to Digital > Equipment Corporation Purchase Specifications 23-000A9-01 and 23-000F1-01 >

DEC Purchase Specifications, particularly 23-000A9-01

2019-07-16 Thread Mark J. Blair via cctalk
I've been studying scanned documents for the M9312 UNIBUS bootstrap/terminator card because of reasons. They refer to Digital Equipment Corporation Purchase Specifications 23-000A9-01 and 23-000F1-01 for the PROMs, and I'm wondering whether those documents have been preserved anywhere? I'd love