Re: Conferences/Exhibitions (Was: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-09 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 12/9/18 12:28 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > > On 12/9/18 12:24 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: >> Fyi...i have a square bankers box of decus conference proceedings from the >> 70's. Are these otherwise available on the www? >> > > I haven't gotten to them yet. > I have several

Re: Conferences/Exhibitions (Was: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-09 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 12/9/18 12:24 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > Fyi...i have a square bankers box of decus conference proceedings from the > 70's. Are these otherwise available on the www? > I haven't gotten to them yet. I have several decades of proceedings that I need to scan beyond the ones from the

Re: Conferences/Exhibitions (Was: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-09 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Fyi...i have a square bankers box of decus conference proceedings from the 70's. Are these otherwise available on the www?

Re: Conferences/Exhibitions (Was: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-09 Thread Adrian Stoness via cctalk
ouch that musta cause some chaos. On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 7:15 AM Stefan Skoglund via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > lör 2018-12-08 klockan 13:56 -0800 skrev Fred Cisin via cctalk: > > > > > > CeBIT (Hanover Germany) was the largest. Started in 1970; ended? in > > 2018. > > Sorry, I

Re: Conferences/Exhibitions (Was: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-09 Thread Stefan Skoglund via cctalk
lör 2018-12-08 klockan 13:56 -0800 skrev Fred Cisin via cctalk: > > > CeBIT (Hanover Germany) was the largest. Started in 1970; ended? in > 2018. > Sorry, I have little or no information about it; I never got a chance > to go. Heinz Nixdorf died (heart failure) on the showroom floor in 1986.

Re: Conferences/Exhibitions (Was: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-08 Thread Adrian Stoness via cctalk
cool On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 4:21 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > >> I still have some miscellaneous copies of the show guide/directory from > a > >> number of years. > > On Sat, 8 Dec 2018, Adrian Stoness wrote: > > neat you should scan those and put em up on bit savers or somthing > > I

Re: Conferences/Exhibitions (Was: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-08 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
I still have some miscellaneous copies of the show guide/directory from a number of years. On Sat, 8 Dec 2018, Adrian Stoness wrote: neat you should scan those and put em up on bit savers or somthing I don't have a suitable scanner, and no longer have my paper shear. They are about 6?x8? x

Re: Conferences/Exhibitions (Was: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-08 Thread Adrian Stoness via cctalk
neat you should scan those and put em up on bit savers or somthing On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 3:56 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > On Sat, 8 Dec 2018, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote: > > were the decus confrinces ever held in multi level parking garages? keep > > hearing a story of one that was

Conferences/Exhibitions (Was: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-08 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sat, 8 Dec 2018, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote: were the decus confrinces ever held in multi level parking garages? keep hearing a story of one that was so big it took over one. door prize was a rainbow 100 my dad won in 79 80?? tells me he got a membership when he was a teen i the early

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-08 Thread Marc Howard via cctalk
When did the DECUS purge occur? Marc On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 8:26 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > On 12/8/18 11:16 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > > > On 12/8/18 7:10 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > > > >> As long as we're talking about old PDP-11

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-08 Thread Adrian Stoness via cctalk
were the decus confrinces ever held in multi level parking garages? keep hearing a story of one that was so big it took over one. door prize was a rainbow 100 my dad won in 79 80?? tells me he got a membership when he was a teen i the early 70's after hanging out with the nasa guys in the 60's in

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-08 Thread emanuel stiebler via cctalk
On 2018-12-08 13:24, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > name my original DECUS Membership # was > > 368513.  Don't remember what year  but it was likely mid 80's. WOW, we were close, mine is 364059 ;-)

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-08 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 12/8/18 10:24 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > > my original DECUS Membership # was > > 368513.  Don't remember what year  but it was likely mid 80's. I just took my card out of my wallet last year. 113104, late 70s

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-08 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 12/8/18 10:19 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > Do they include the sources?  Are they up on bitsavers anywhere? Not currently, what I have is what was released on the Languages and Tools SIG tape in RATFOR I'll put the tape images I have up as soon as I can find them. I'm trying

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-08 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 12/8/18 1:18 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > The DECUS conference proceedings I've scanned > gives attendance > > DECUS membership 1961-1972 > > 1961 12 > 1962 25 > 1963 43 > 1964 202 > 1965 426 > 1966 850 > 1967 2008 > 1968 3476 > 1969 6054 > 1970 9110 > 1971 12213 - 5590

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-08 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 12/8/18 10:18 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > The DECUS conference proceedings I've scanned > gives attendance arg.. membership attendance would have been much smaller

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-08 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 12/8/18 1:13 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > On 12/8/18 9:50 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > >> What I know about first-hand was all the research on The >> >> Software Tools Virtual Operating System.  I had worked with >> >> it  on Pr1me and Univac-1100 back in the 80's.  I got

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-08 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
The DECUS conference proceedings I've scanned gives attendance DECUS membership 1961-1972 1961 12 1962 25 1963 43 1964 202 1965 426 1966 850 1967 2008 1968 3476 1969 6054 1970 9110 1971 12213 - 5590 installation delegates, 6623 individual members. 1972 15295 - 7052

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-08 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 12/8/18 9:50 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > What I know about first-hand was all the research on The > > Software Tools Virtual Operating System.  I had worked with > > it  on Pr1me and Univac-1100 back in the 80's.  I got interested > > in it again and started searching for it. 

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-08 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 11:11 AM Adrian Stoness via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > how big were the decus confrinces back in the day? > The one I went to in 89 had hundreds Warner

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-08 Thread Adrian Stoness via cctalk
how big were the decus confrinces back in the day?

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-08 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 12/8/18 12:22 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > On 12/8/18 8:26 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: >> I also know of stuff given to USENIX >> that they tossed (luckily some of that has been recovered >> but I am sure much was lost permanently). > Paper or USENIX tapes? > > The early tapes

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-08 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 12/8/18 9:45 AM, Josh Dersch wrote: > Sounds like a great project, I'd be happy to help out. cool I also just noticed http://decuslib.com isn't responding The anonymous ftp still works, but doesn't have the zip files on it.

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-08 Thread Josh Dersch via cctalk
On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 8:29 AM Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > > On 12/8/18 7:10 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > > > As long as we're talking about old PDP-11 DECUS stuff I > > > > am still looking for a copy of: > > > > 11S042 Symposium Tape from the RSTS SIG, Spring 1980, > > > >

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-08 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 12/8/18 9:30 AM, Lyle Bickley wrote: > On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 14:04:52 -0800 > Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > >> On 12/7/18 1:25 PM, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote: >>> Anyone has old DECUS distributions? >> >> For all intents and purposes, no >> >> DECUS threw them out. > > Not true It IS

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-08 Thread Lyle Bickley via cctalk
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 14:04:52 -0800 Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > On 12/7/18 1:25 PM, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote: > > Anyone has old DECUS distributions? > > For all intents and purposes, no > > DECUS threw them out. Not true for PDP-8 and PDP-12 DECUS. I was the last PDP-12 Coordinator for

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-08 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 12/8/18 8:26 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > > I also know of stuff given to USENIX > that they tossed (luckily some of that has been recovered > but I am sure much was lost permanently). Paper or USENIX tapes? The early tapes are problematic because they required source licenses

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-08 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 12/8/18 11:16 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > On 12/8/18 7:10 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > >> As long as we're talking about old PDP-11 DECUS stuff I >> >> am still looking for a copy of: >> >> 11S042   Symposium Tape from the RSTS SIG, Spring 1980, >> >> Chicago Version:

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-08 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 12/8/18 7:10 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > As long as we're talking about old PDP-11 DECUS stuff I > > am still looking for a copy of: > > 11S042   Symposium Tape from the RSTS SIG, Spring 1980, > > Chicago Version: Spring 1980 > > > Of course, I would be interested in

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-08 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 12/8/18 10:00 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, 6:09 PM Adrian Stoness via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org wrote: > >> someone should get the source off him and put it out on the web >> >> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 4:34 PM Mattis Lind via cctalk < >>

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-08 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, 6:09 PM Adrian Stoness via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org wrote: > someone should get the source off him and put it out on the web > > On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 4:34 PM Mattis Lind via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > wrote: > > > Den fre 7 dec. 2018 kl 23:04 skrev Al Kossow

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-07 Thread Adrian Stoness via cctalk
someone should get the source off him and put it out on the web On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 4:34 PM Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote: > Den fre 7 dec. 2018 kl 23:04 skrev Al Kossow via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org>: > > > > > > > On 12/7/18 1:25 PM, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote: > > > Anyone has

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-07 Thread Mattis Lind via cctalk
Den fre 7 dec. 2018 kl 23:04 skrev Al Kossow via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org>: > > > On 12/7/18 1:25 PM, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote: > > Anyone has old DECUS distributions? > > For all intents and purposes, no > > DECUS threw them out. > Sad. > > About the only thing that survives are the

Re: DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-07 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 12/7/18 1:25 PM, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote: > Anyone has old DECUS distributions? For all intents and purposes, no DECUS threw them out. About the only thing that survives are the titles that were included on some of the SIG tapes. Working on gathering what parts still survive in

DECUS PDP-11 SPACE WAR?

2018-12-07 Thread Mattis Lind via cctalk
Anyone has old DECUS distributions? I am looking for the PDP-11 SPACE WAR program. It is supposed to be 11-192, written by William (Bill) Seilier and Lawrence (Larry) Bryant in 1974. https://i.imgur.com/rjaWX4X.png It is a space war like program for the PDP-11/10 with AA11 and AD01. Much later