Re: DECtape ancestry (Kyle Owen)

2021-03-21 Thread Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk
Michael Thompson wrote: > Kyle Owen wrote: >> What systems took advantage of the bidirectional nature? > > ADSS on the PDP-9 does an interleave of 6 when reading/writing to the > DECtape. If it runs off the end it reverses direction and keeps going. MIT's MACDMP (and by extension, ITS) does this t

Re: DECtape ancestry (Kyle Owen)

2021-03-21 Thread Michael Thompson via cctalk
> > Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 16:21:44 -0400 > From: Kyle Owen > Subject: Re: DECtape ancestry > > What systems took advantage of the bidirectional nature? > > Kyle > ADSS on the PDP-9 does an interleave of 6 when reading/writing to the DECtape. If it runs off the en

Re: DECtape ancestry

2021-03-20 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Mar 20, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Kyle Owen via cctalk > wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 16:13 Paul Koning wrote > >> Speculating here since I have no direct knowledge: the DECtape format >> allows read and write in either direction, while LINCtape only allows read >> and write forward. The

Re: DECtape ancestry

2021-03-20 Thread Kyle Owen via cctalk
On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 16:13 Paul Koning wrote > Speculating here since I have no direct knowledge: the DECtape format > allows read and write in either direction, while LINCtape only allows read > and write forward. The bidirectional I/O capability was part of DECtape > format from the start, an

Re: DECtape ancestry

2021-03-20 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Mar 20, 2021, at 4:07 PM, Kyle Owen via cctalk > wrote: > > Why did DEC not use the LINCtape format for the PDP-8? I assume maintaining > format compatibility between their low, mid, and high range systems was > important to them? I suppose there was no other good solution to > transferr

Re: DECtape ancestry

2021-03-20 Thread Kyle Owen via cctalk
Why did DEC not use the LINCtape format for the PDP-8? I assume maintaining format compatibility between their low, mid, and high range systems was important to them? I suppose there was no other good solution to transferring large files across different DEC platforms than to use magnetic tape...so

Re: DECtape ancestry

2021-03-12 Thread Bob Smith via cctalk
THanks Al! I forgot about that chapter of Tom's ..worked for him for a few years, Fantastic Boss, and one helluv an engineer. bb On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 9:23 PM Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > On 3/11/21 6:18 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > On 3/11/21 6:16 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > >>

Re: DECtape ancestry

2021-03-11 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 3/11/21 6:18 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: On 3/11/21 6:16 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: On 3/11/21 6:12 PM, Bob Smith via cctalk wrote: My recollection was the Linc was inspired by the Whirlwind. Whirlwind predates it by a few years. Tom Stockebrand is the connecting link between all

Re: DECtape ancestry

2021-03-11 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 3/11/21 6:16 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: On 3/11/21 6:12 PM, Bob Smith via cctalk wrote: My recollection was the Linc was inspired by the Whirlwind. Whirlwind predates it by a few years. Tom Stockebrand is the connecting link between all of these tape systems. I don't know if he was in

Re: DECtape ancestry

2021-03-11 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 3/11/21 6:12 PM, Bob Smith via cctalk wrote: My recollection was the Linc was inspired by the Whirlwind. Whirlwind predates it by a few years. Tom Stockebrand is the connecting link between all of these tape systems. I don't know if he was involved with the original Raytheon tape design for

Re: DECtape ancestry

2021-03-11 Thread Bob Smith via cctalk
My recollection was the Linc was inspired by the Whirlwind. Whirlwind predates it by a few years. AND of course the Linc inspired the PDP5 and PDP8. Of course some one correct me if this is wrong, but my sources were DEC when I worked there 1969-1980, stories with Don White and others, as well as m

Re: DECtape ancestry

2021-03-11 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Paul, Very interesting, thanks for sharing. Bill On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 7:54 PM Paul Koning via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I just read part of the Grant Saviers interview from CHM, where near the > end he gives a bit of history of DECtape. In particular, the fact that it > was d

DECtape ancestry

2021-03-11 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
I just read part of the Grant Saviers interview from CHM, where near the end he gives a bit of history of DECtape. In particular, the fact that it was derived from LINCtape though the format details are quite different. A question popped into my mind, prompted by having read Guy Fedorkow's pa