Re: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-27 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 09/26/2020 02:47 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: On 9/25/20 8:22 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: If it would work, I wonder if you could then use something like Ghost to copy the drive to an image or another more standard drive that could then more easily be worked with. DO NOT

Re: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-27 Thread Jules Richardson via cctalk
On 9/26/20 10:32 AM, Michael Engel via cctech wrote: Using DOS might be another option, I seem to hit a roadblock with every Unix version I try... hmm, have a look here: http://ftp.vim.org/ftp/pub/ibiblio/kernel/patches/scsi ... adaptec-40XX-1.02.tar.gz looks like it might do the trick. Use

Re: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-27 Thread Jules Richardson via cctalk
On 9/26/20 10:56 AM, Al Kossow via cctech wrote: ACB4000s aren't common command set. it expects the driver to tell it the drive parameters I'm possibly/probably wrong, but I thought the ACB-4000 only needs the parameters setting prior to format - I don't know it it has some form of non

Re: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-26 Thread Michael Engel via cctalk
On 9/26/20 5:22 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 9/25/20 10:38 AM, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: If the Adaptec 2940 BIOS seems to detect the disk I wonder what would happen if DOS was set up on the system and ASPI8DOS.SYS was loaded. Would the Adaptec 2940 and ASPI driver respect the

Re: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-26 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
sd3: non-CCS device found at target 0 lun 0 on esp0 sd3: at esp0 target 0 lun 0 sd3: corrupt label - wrong magic number sd3: Vendor ´ADAPTEC*´, product ´ACB4000*´, 181520 512 byte blocks ACB4000s aren't common command set. it expects the driver to tell it the drive parameters just

Re: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-26 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 9/26/20 8:56 AM, Al Kossow via cctech wrote: sd3: non-CCS device found at target 0 lun 0 on esp0 sd3: at esp0 target 0 lun 0 sd3: corrupt label - wrong magic number sd3: Vendor ´ADAPTEC*´, product ´ACB4000*´, 181520 512 byte blocks ACB4000s aren't common command set. it expects

Re: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-26 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 6:33 PM Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > On 9/25/20 10:31 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > On 9/25/20 10:08 AM, Plamen Mihaylov wrote: > >> I was able to dump Torch Triple X System V, Release 1 Version 1.2 > >> If anyone is interested I can share the image. > > > > I

Re: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-26 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 9/25/20 8:22 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: If it would work, I wonder if you could then use something like Ghost to copy the drive to an image or another more standard drive that could then more easily be worked with. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO USE A PC MFM CONTROLLER WITH DISKS FROM EARLY

Re: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-25 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 9/25/20 10:38 AM, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: If the Adaptec 2940 BIOS seems to detect the disk I wonder what would happen if DOS was set up on the system and ASPI8DOS.SYS was loaded. Would the Adaptec 2940 and ASPI driver respect the BIOS parity setting and interact with the ACB4000

Re: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-25 Thread Glen Slick via cctalk
On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 11:51 AM Michael Engel via cctech wrote: > > Hi, > > still working on backing up the Tektronix 440x disks. My current problem > is that the ACB4000 SCSI-to-MFM adapter doesn´t support SCSI parity. > > I finally managed to find a PCI SCSI controller (Adaptec 2940) and a >

Re: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-25 Thread Jules Richardson via cctalk
On 9/25/20 12:31 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: On 9/25/20 10:08 AM, Plamen Mihaylov wrote: I was able to dump Torch Triple X System V, Release 1 Version 1.2 If anyone is interested I can share the image. I have a Torch Quad X CPU prototype CPU, missing the ASIC Interesting. I had a couple

Re: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-25 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 9/25/20 10:31 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: On 9/25/20 10:08 AM, Plamen Mihaylov wrote: I was able to dump Torch Triple X System V, Release 1 Version 1.2 If anyone is interested I can share the image. I have a Torch Quad X CPU prototype CPU, missing the ASIC did the ever scan all the

Re: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-25 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 9/25/20 10:08 AM, Plamen Mihaylov wrote: I was able to dump Torch Triple X System V, Release 1 Version 1.2 If anyone is interested I can share the image. I have a Torch Quad X CPU prototype CPU, missing the ASIC

Re: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-25 Thread Plamen Mihaylov via cctalk
I was able to dump Torch Triple X System V, Release 1 Version 1.2 If anyone is interested I can share the image. Best regards, Plamen On Friday, September 25, 2020, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > On 9/25/20 5:24 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > >> On 9/25/20 1:49 AM, Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk

Re: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-25 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 9/25/20 5:24 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: On 9/25/20 1:49 AM, Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk wrote: Gentles, As its really an MFM Disk why not read it with an MFM adaptor? That was what I was wondering as well. You really want one of Dave's boards if you need to do any sort of oddball

Re: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-25 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 9/25/20 1:49 AM, Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk wrote: Gentles, As its really an MFM Disk why not read it with an MFM adaptor? That was what I was wondering as well.

RE: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-25 Thread Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk
e: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM- > SCSI adapter? > > On 9/24/20 12:15 PM, Jules Richardson via cctech wrote: > > the Linux kernel at least has depended on it for a very long time > > Do you have any idea how far back one might need to go to get a kernel

Re: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-24 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 9/24/20 12:15 PM, Jules Richardson via cctech wrote: the Linux kernel at least has depended on it for a very long time Do you have any idea how far back one might need to go to get a kernel that didn't depend on SCSI Inquiry? I wonder if a retro computer with a really old kernel and a

Re: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-24 Thread Jules Richardson via cctalk
On 9/23/20 3:28 PM, Michael Engel via cctech wrote: It seems that the problem lies in the firmware of the ACB4000, which doesn´t seem to support some standard commands, e.g. the INQUIRY command. Most recent Linux SCSI drivers seem to use this command. Lack of Inquiry support seems to be quite

Re: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-24 Thread Jonas M via cctalk
Hi, I remember I used Linux with an AdvanSys PCI adapter to successfully read a disk connected through an ACB4000. It's been a while but I believe I had to run an old kernel which I compiled myself with support for ACB4000. Might have been that a patch was applied. All I found in my archives is

Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000, MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-24 Thread Chris Quayle via cctalk
On 09/24/20 18:00, cctech-requ...@classiccmp.org wrote: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter? I have a sun 3 system with acb4000 and suspect the protocol was not fully sorted in that time frame. They can be fussy about what they will talk to, ime

Re: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-24 Thread Camiel Vanderhoeven via cctalk
> On Sep 24, 2020, at 6:21 PM, Camiel Vanderhoeven via cctalk > wrote: > > > > > >> On Sep 24, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> On 9/24/20 1:12 AM, Camiel Vanderhoeven via cctalk wrote: >>> I used an Ancot Ultra2080/Lite SCSI-bus Analyzer. This is a device that

Re: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-24 Thread Camiel Vanderhoeven via cctalk
> On Sep 24, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk > wrote: > > On 9/24/20 1:12 AM, Camiel Vanderhoeven via cctalk wrote: >> I used an Ancot Ultra2080/Lite SCSI-bus Analyzer. This is a device that >> connects to a SCSI bus and has a serial port. Over the serial port, you can >>

Re: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-24 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 9/24/20 1:12 AM, Camiel Vanderhoeven via cctalk wrote: I used an Ancot Ultra2080/Lite SCSI-bus Analyzer. This is a device that connects to a SCSI bus and has a serial port. Over the serial port, you can monitor the signals on the SCSI bus, and use it as a SCSI protocol analyzer. There’s

Re: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-24 Thread Camiel Vanderhoeven via cctalk
> On Sep 23, 2020, at 10:28 PM, Michael Engel via cctech > wrote: > > > > On 9/23/20 8:54 PM, Grant Taylor via cctech wrote: >> On 9/23/20 12:51 PM, Michael Engel via cctech wrote: >>> Do you know if is there another OS which would make it easier to change >>> crucial SCSI parameters in

Re: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-23 Thread Plamen Mihaylov via cctalk
I have the same problem with Torch Triple X disk which uses OMT SCSI/MFM adapter. I believe the best solution is to use David’s MFM emulator board. Best regards, Plamen On Wednesday, September 23, 2020, Michael Engel via cctech < cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > On 9/23/20 8:54 PM, Grant

Re: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-23 Thread Josh Dersch via cctalk
On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 1:28 PM Michael Engel via cctech < cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > On 9/23/20 8:54 PM, Grant Taylor via cctech wrote: > > On 9/23/20 12:51 PM, Michael Engel via cctech wrote: > >> Do you know if is there another OS which would make it easier to > >> change crucial SCSI

Re: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-23 Thread Michael Engel via cctalk
On 9/23/20 8:54 PM, Grant Taylor via cctech wrote: On 9/23/20 12:51 PM, Michael Engel via cctech wrote: Do you know if is there another OS which would make it easier to change crucial SCSI parameters in the driver (config) or maybe a specialized tool that could help me to image the disk?

Re: Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-23 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 9/23/20 12:51 PM, Michael Engel via cctech wrote: Do you know if is there another OS which would make it easier to change crucial SCSI parameters in the driver (config) or maybe a specialized tool that could help me to image the disk? Try booting off of a Linux live CD / DVD and seeing if

Disabling SCSI parity checking to dump disk on ACB4000 MFM-SCSI adapter?

2020-09-23 Thread Michael Engel via cctalk
Hi, still working on backing up the Tektronix 440x disks. My current problem is that the ACB4000 SCSI-to-MFM adapter doesn´t support SCSI parity. I finally managed to find a PCI SCSI controller (Adaptec 2940) and a Pentium 4 PC with PCI slots and installed OpenBSD 6.7. I disabled parity