Re: In search of 4B3A Microswitch Keyswitches (for a restoration, not a keyboard collector!)

2020-07-10 Thread Ian Finder via cctalk
Mistake below, Vo should be a fraction of 5 volts, not "a volt" when operating On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 2:28 PM Ian Finder wrote: > A few responses- > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 12:29 PM Brent Hilpert wrote: > >> Reading that datasheet, it appears that to reduce power consumption those >>

Re: In search of 4B3A Microswitch Keyswitches (for a restoration, not a keyboard collector!)

2020-07-10 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 7/10/20 2:14 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: There are a couple of serious researchers out there who do useful work, here is what exists for the SD switch https://deskthority.net/wiki/Micro_Switch_SD_Series the schematic of the 1660 microswitch keyboard can be found on page 235 of the

Re: In search of 4B3A Microswitch Keyswitches (for a restoration, not a keyboard collector!)

2020-07-10 Thread Ian Finder via cctalk
A few responses- On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 12:29 PM Brent Hilpert wrote: > Reading that datasheet, it appears that to reduce power consumption those > sensors employ pulsed sleep/wake operation, presenting up to a 1/8 second > delay in response time. Probably not very good for use in a keyboard,

Re: In search of 4B3A Microswitch Keyswitches (for a restoration, not a keyboard collector!)

2020-07-10 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
What type of computer is your friend restoring? I don't think he wants to reveal that, and it shouldn't matter anyway. There are a couple of serious researchers out there who do useful work, here is what exists for the SD switch https://deskthority.net/wiki/Micro_Switch_SD_Series

Re: In search of 4B3A Microswitch Keyswitches (for a restoration, not a keyboard collector!)

2020-07-10 Thread Santo Nucifora via cctalk
Hi Ian, What type of computer is your friend restoring? I can't help as I have a full keyboard that I'd like to keep intact but this is a home made terminal/keyboard made from Diablo 1620 parts including the keyboard and I believe the HyTerm main board. It has SD switches but they are mostly

Re: In search of 4B3A Microswitch Keyswitches (for a restoration, not a keyboard collector!)

2020-07-10 Thread Brent Hilpert via cctalk
On 2020-Jul-10, at 11:27 AM, Ian Finder via cctalk wrote: > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 11:06 AM Al Kossow via cctalk > wrote: >> >> Since it isn't very fancy, I wonder if you could make a new board with a >> modern Hall >> effect sensor? You just need a contact closure. > Yeah Al, that's a great

Re: In search of 4B3A Microswitch Keyswitches (for a restoration, not a keyboard collector!)

2020-07-10 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 7/10/20 10:42 AM, Electronics Plus via cctech wrote: I have a number of keyboards with Micro Switch ST switches, but no SD. Does anyone still use old Memorex or Telex keyboards? YES! I have terminals w/o keyboards

Re: In search of 4B3A Microswitch Keyswitches (for a restoration, not a keyboard collector!)

2020-07-10 Thread Ian Finder via cctalk
Yeah Al, that's a great suggestion. I was looking at the AH1815 last night. The challenge is getting the whole assembly as thin as the original, which presents a not insignificant challenge- Even using the SOT553 package of this: https://cdn.sparkfun.com/assets/4/4/8/2/a/AH1815.pdf - I'd have to

Re: In search of 4B3A Microswitch Keyswitches (for a restoration, not a keyboard collector!)

2020-07-10 Thread Ian Finder via cctalk
Thanks Cindy- Unfortunately those won't work :( On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 10:42 AM Electronics Plus wrote: > I have a number of keyboards with Micro Switch ST switches, but no SD. > Does anyone still use old Memorex or Telex keyboards? > > -Original Message- > From: cctech

RE: In search of 4B3A Microswitch Keyswitches (for a restoration, not a keyboard collector!)

2020-07-10 Thread Electronics Plus via cctalk
I have a number of keyboards with Micro Switch ST switches, but no SD. Does anyone still use old Memorex or Telex keyboards? -Original Message- From: cctech [mailto:cctech-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Ian Finder via cctech Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2020 11:34 PM To:

Re: In search of 4B3A Microswitch Keyswitches (for a restoration, not a keyboard collector!)

2020-07-10 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 7/10/20 9:45 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: 4B3A is a non-multiplexed contact closure type which is extremely difficult to find. Since it isn't very fancy, I wonder if you could make a new board with a modern Hall effect sensor? You just need a contact closure.

Re: In search of 4B3A Microswitch Keyswitches (for a restoration, not a keyboard collector!)

2020-07-10 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 7/9/20 9:34 PM, Ian Finder via cctalk wrote: The correct SD-series replacement switch would be the 4B3A- It would be interesting to understand the failure mode. I wonder if they passivated the die correctly? 4B3A is a non-multiplexed contact closure type which is extremely difficult to

In search of 4B3A Microswitch Keyswitches (for a restoration, not a keyboard collector!)

2020-07-09 Thread Ian Finder via cctalk
I know what you guys are thinking- no, this isn't for a keyboard collection or some modern build or some other nonsense like that. I have a friend who is restoring a fairly interesting and historically significant vintage computer- a and subject to what appears to be a batch-related encapsulation