Re: Is MS-DOS, PC DOS and DR-DOS vintage enough to count?

2016-08-04 Thread Fred Cisin
If it's any help, . . . Among the stuff that I'm taking to the consignment table at VCF are a bunch of Windows Resource Kit, and some Windows programming books. (Half a dozen boxes, NOT including anything already in FPUIB.) But, with this structure, and being more "premium", they ain't free.

Re: Is MS-DOS, PC DOS and DR-DOS vintage enough to count?

2016-08-04 Thread Mike Stein
- Original Message - From: "Liam Proven" <lpro...@gmail.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk@classiccmp.org> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 3:47 AM Subject: Re: Is MS-DOS, PC DOS and DR-DOS vintage enough to count? On 1

Re: Is MS-DOS, PC DOS and DR-DOS vintage enough to count?

2016-08-02 Thread Curious Marc
> That's considerably more elegant than the way I use, to get my 98SE boxes to > boot into DOS to start with (which I prefer, in case I want to do anything > that requires Windows not to be running, e.g. disk repairs); I just re-named > 'WIN.COM' to 'LOSE.COM'. So I get an error message grumbling

Re: Is MS-DOS, PC DOS and DR-DOS vintage enough to count?

2016-08-02 Thread John Willis
> > Exactly! This! > > All versions of W9x run in 386 protected mode, with DOS sessions in > the 386's Virtual 8086 mode. > > There was no difference that I'm aware of between them. > > Between WfWg 3.11 and 9x, yes. Between 9x and NT, yes. But 95/98/ME, no, > TTBOMK. > > If there _was_ some

Re: Is MS-DOS, PC DOS and DR-DOS vintage enough to count?

2016-08-02 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Chuck Guzis > I routinely use Win98SE for my DOS tasks--it boots into DOS quite > nicely if you edit the MSDOS.SYS file to say BootGUI=0. That's considerably more elegant than the way I use, to get my 98SE boxes to boot into DOS to start with (which I prefer, in case I want

Re: Is MS-DOS, PC DOS and DR-DOS vintage enough to count?

2016-08-02 Thread william degnan
On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 10:06 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Chuck Guzis > > > I routinely use Win98SE for my DOS tasks--it boots into DOS quite > > nicely if you edit the MSDOS.SYS file to say BootGUI=0. > > That's considerably more elegant than the way I

Re: Is MS-DOS, PC DOS and DR-DOS vintage enough to count?

2016-08-01 Thread Eric Smith
On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 12:21 PM, jim stephens wrote: > I used Windows 95 for dos multitasking. Windows 95 booted the processors > into real mode dos, then ran the windows system out of that base dos much > like Windows 3.1 had. As such, the dos boxes all shared actual access

Re: Is MS-DOS, PC DOS and DR-DOS vintage enough to count?

2016-08-01 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/31/2016 09:30 PM, jim stephens wrote: > If anyone on the list has it, I think there was a very detailed > walkthru about how this worked published as well, again I think it > was in a book, and may be hard to find. One of the "inside" or > "beneath" type books. Maybe someone has such with

Re: Is MS-DOS, PC DOS and DR-DOS vintage enough to count?

2016-07-31 Thread jim stephens
On 7/31/2016 4:48 PM, Liam Proven wrote: On 31 July 2016 at 20:21, jim stephens wrote: I used Windows 95 for dos multitasking. Windows 95 booted the processors into real mode dos, then ran the windows system out of that base dos much like Windows 3.1 had. As such, the

Re: Is MS-DOS, PC DOS and DR-DOS vintage enough to count?

2016-07-31 Thread Liam Proven
On 31 July 2016 at 20:21, jim stephens wrote: > I used Windows 95 for dos multitasking. Windows 95 booted the processors > into real mode dos, then ran the windows system out of that base dos much > like Windows 3.1 had. As such, the dos boxes all shared actual access to >

Re: Is MS-DOS, PC DOS and DR-DOS vintage enough to count?

2016-07-31 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/31/2016 12:59 PM, jim stephens wrote: > > The booted system on Windows 95 is real mode dos, and that allows all > of the dos boxes you spawn to share the same virtual to physical > address space. > > Windows 98 still did the same trick, but would only map a single > physical address

Re: Is MS-DOS, PC DOS and DR-DOS vintage enough to count?

2016-07-31 Thread jim stephens
On 7/31/2016 11:49 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 07/31/2016 11:21 AM, jim stephens wrote: Windows 98 switched to protected mode almost immediately on boot, and all the dos boxes were synthesized in virtual 8086 mapped mode, and had no underlying booted dos environment. I'm not sure that I

Re: Is MS-DOS, PC DOS and DR-DOS vintage enough to count?

2016-07-31 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 07:18:19PM +0200, Liam Proven wrote: > On 31 July 2016 at 18:23, Tomasz Rola wrote: [...] > > > Other possibility is, can it work better in some other virtual > > machine? Qemu/KVM, VMWare? > > I am running on OS X here, and I prefer VBox to VMware, but I

Re: Is MS-DOS, PC DOS and DR-DOS vintage enough to count?

2016-07-31 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/31/2016 11:21 AM, jim stephens wrote: > Windows 98 switched to protected mode almost immediately on boot, > and all the dos boxes were synthesized in virtual 8086 mapped mode, > and had no underlying booted dos environment. I'm not sure that I follow here. I routinely use Win98SE for my

Re: Is MS-DOS, PC DOS and DR-DOS vintage enough to count?

2016-07-31 Thread jim stephens
On 7/31/2016 10:18 AM, Liam Proven wrote: DesqView: yes to multitasking, no to graphics. The only snag is that it is itself DOS based, so you don't get a lot of free RAM in your sessions. But it works, and it's much lighter and faster than even v3 of Windows. If you want an actual graphical

Re: Is MS-DOS, PC DOS and DR-DOS vintage enough to count?

2016-07-31 Thread Liam Proven
On 31 July 2016 at 18:23, Tomasz Rola wrote: > On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 08:57:08PM +0200, Liam Proven wrote: >> I'm experimenting with some old DOS versions, notably PC DOS, in VirtualBox. >> >> I have a PC-DOS 2000 system with DesqView and DesqView/X working >> fairly well -- no

Re: Is MS-DOS, PC DOS and DR-DOS vintage enough to count?

2016-07-31 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 06:23:57PM +0200, Tomasz Rola wrote: > On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 08:57:08PM +0200, Liam Proven wrote: > > I'm experimenting with some old DOS versions, notably PC DOS, in VirtualBox. > > > > I have a PC-DOS 2000 system with DesqView and DesqView/X working > > fairly well --

Re: Is MS-DOS, PC DOS and DR-DOS vintage enough to count?

2016-07-31 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 08:57:08PM +0200, Liam Proven wrote: > I'm experimenting with some old DOS versions, notably PC DOS, in VirtualBox. > > I have a PC-DOS 2000 system with DesqView and DesqView/X working > fairly well -- no networking yet but I'm working on it. Out of curiosity, because I

Is MS-DOS, PC DOS and DR-DOS vintage enough to count?

2016-07-28 Thread Liam Proven
I'm experimenting with some old DOS versions, notably PC DOS, in VirtualBox. I have a PC-DOS 2000 system with DesqView and DesqView/X working fairly well -- no networking yet but I'm working on it. I am also trying to get a DR-DOS 8 VM up and running. DR-DOS 7.03 is no problem, but I've had no