On 6/16/19 4:26 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
:-o
*Wow.*
Did you at least compare it to NT?
No.
The machines were donated, they had the '98 OEM sticker on them, it kept
everything legal. Seeing as how this was for a school, everything
worked, and was stable for months at a time, we
On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 at 00:36, Grant Taylor via cctalk
wrote:
>
> I too had a soft spot for Windows 98 Second Edition. I ran it for a
> LONG time.
>
> I found it quite stable and used it for a server for a school in '99-'00
> before putting a Linux box in place the following year.
>
> They had
On 6/14/19 7:21 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
I am astonished. I never found 98SE a stable or reliable OS and was glad
to get rid of it.
I too had a soft spot for Windows 98 Second Edition. I ran it for a
LONG time.
I found it quite stable and used it for a server for a school in
On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 14:53, Noel Chiappa via cctalk
wrote:
>
> I was speaking from a user's perspective; I never did much coding under
> Windows (well, a fair amount under Cygwin, using only the portable I/O
> library, but that's not really _Windows_ programming).
Well, me too. I don't really
> From: Liam Proven
> There was a certain simplicity and understandability about Win9x,
> yes, but NT was far more reliable, even back in the NT 3 era. ..
> So I moved to NT as soon as my kit could run it, and never looked
> back.
I was speaking from a user's perspective; I
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 at 20:33, Noel Chiappa via cctalk
wrote:
>
> Great rant.
:-D Thanks!
> I myself much prefer my Windows98 machines to my Windows 10 laptop, which
> I had to buy because i) many Web sites won't work without the latest and
> greatest browser (in many cases because of the
> From: Liam Proven
> Now, my tablet and iPhone and Android phones need *at least* 3 or 4
> apps updating every day. ... The OS needs to be replaced every month
> or two to fix all the flaws in it, and that's a gigabyte or so of
> storage.
> I am *furious* about this.
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 22:57, Tomasz Rola via cctalk
wrote:
>
> I share the sentiment and I guess I could give similar description
> (yours was very interesting, BTW).
Thank you!
> If I had a privilege to own
> Psion. But, when I went on for shopping, Psion was already bowing out
> of the PDA
On Thu, Jun 06, 2019 at 01:43:40PM +0200, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 at 20:06, Fred Cisin via cctalk
> wrote:
> >
> > I don't think that my Fossil (Palm-OS WATCH) does IRDA.
> > I should find somebody who will pay me money for such a piece of
> > crap^H^H^H^H NEAT
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 15:51, Peter Corlett via cctalk
wrote:
>
> Adding pockets ruins the look, or something.
Yup.
They're going beyond the realm of their own previous products into
such severe minimalism it's becoming inconvenient.
I want an LED to tell me my charge/power status, message
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 15:45, Peter Corlett via cctalk
wrote:
>
> So long as said companies don't just make yet another Android device based on
> a
> cheap-and-nasty Mediatek SOC which requires proprietary Android-only drivers
> to
> work well, and then make misleading claims about Linux
On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 01:58:53PM +0200, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
[...]
> Agreed again. My old Mac mini had a power LED. It pulsed softly when asleep.
> The iMac that has replaced it has nothing. I can't tell if it is on,
> off, asleep or what.
> The cost saving of this change must be too
On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 01:57:34PM +0200, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
[...]
> I just wish a few more companies thought like Planet Computers and tried to
> make devices for rich niches, rather than the cheap mass market...
> https://planetcom.squarespace.com/
So long as said companies don't
On Sun, 9 Jun 2019 at 13:49, Stefan Skoglund wrote:
>
> I also hate my samsung a5 mobile - the stupid thing
> doesnt have something which the two ericsson mobiles i used before (and
> a nokia and i believe a samsung to) had.
>
> Namely a small led which was on all the time. A great thing when
>
On Sun, 9 Jun 2019 at 13:45, Stefan Skoglund wrote:
>
> The economist wrote about this (
> https://www.economist.com/briefing/2019/06/08/how-the-pursuit-of-leisure-drives-internet-use
> )
>
> The current situation is this:
> it is much more important for Apple and Samsung to sell overpriced
>
tor 2019-06-06 klockan 13:43 +0200 skrev Liam Proven via cctalk:
> On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 at 20:06, Fred Cisin via cctalk
> wrote:
> > I don't think that my Fossil (Palm-OS WATCH) does IRDA.
> > I should find somebody who will pay me money for such a piece of
> > crap^H^H^H^H NEAT technology.
>
I
tor 2019-06-06 klockan 13:43 +0200 skrev Liam Proven via cctalk:
>
> Result of the eventual convergence on the American model:
>
> We have amazingly sophisticated, high-spec smartphones and tablets,
> but they have a battery life of a single day, replacing European
> phones that lasted a week
You know I miss (A LOT) Palm desktop simplicity!?
Wish I could have the same functionality on my android phone. Everything
was SO simple and straightforward...
---8<---Corte aqui---8<---
http://www.tabajara-labs.blogspot.com
http://www.tabalabs.com.br
---8<---Corte aqui---8<---
Em qui, 6 de
I was curious about the opinion and reply :-)
Sent from my Apple /c
>>
>> Cameron, how did you like Plua and what did you do with it?
>>
>
> Oops, sorry for sending this out to the list
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 19:55, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
>
> I used my Palm(s) completely stand-alone.
> I did not "synchronize" them with PC, other than a token backup to confirm
> process. And I never used it as a peripheral to the PC.
> I did transfer a few files back and forth between Palm
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 19:30, Grant Taylor via cctalk
wrote:
> Most of the Palm users I knew, myself included, used their Palm largely
> stand alone. Almost all of us backed up (synced) our device to our
> computers as a backup in case of device corruption. Some of us did use
> Palm Desktop as
On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 2:40 PM Eric Christopherson <
echristopher...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 12:45 PM Cameron Kaiser via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>> Not sure if this counts as "connected" but I used Palm Desktop itself for
>> my personal scheduling. I never
On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 12:45 PM Cameron Kaiser via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> > > ...I was never a big fan
> > > of PalmOS, TBH. Too limited for me as a former Psion user, and the
> > > Palm devices were always very tied to a PC -- they were meant to be a
> > > way to take your
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
Wow. I have never heard anyone using one [Palm] so stand-alone.
Fascinating. Thanks!
I used my Palm(s) completely stand-alone.
I did not "synchronize" them with PC, other than a token backup to confirm
process. And I never used it as a
> > ...I was never a big fan
> > of PalmOS, TBH. Too limited for me as a former Psion user, and the
> > Palm devices were always very tied to a PC -- they were meant to be a
> > way to take your Outlook (or whatever) address book and diary with you
> > in your pocket.
>
> Interesting view of Palm
On 6/6/19 11:24 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
Wow. I have never heard anyone using one so
stand-alone. Fascinating. Thanks!
Most of the Palm users I knew, myself included, used their Palm largely
stand alone. Almost all of us backed up (synced) our device to our
computers as a backup in
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 18:47, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>
> Interesting view of Palm usage that I hadn't considered.
>
> > I didn't use Outlook or a desktop PC PIM at all.
>
> Nor did I. When I carried a Palm Pilot every day, I was using UNIX
> 'mail' for work e-mail and did all local edits of my
On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 6:44 AM Liam Proven via cctalk
wrote:
> ...I was never a big fan
> of PalmOS, TBH. Too limited for me as a former Psion user, and the
> Palm devices were always very tied to a PC -- they were meant to be a
> way to take your Outlook (or whatever) address book and diary with
On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 at 20:06, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
>
> I don't think that my Fossil (Palm-OS WATCH) does IRDA.
> I should find somebody who will pay me money for such a piece of
> crap^H^H^H^H NEAT technology.
Good question. I was slightly tempted when they were being sold off
cheap at
I think the DN11 had several options available, but don't recall much about
them. I have one left if you need a look at it.
Paul
On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:57 PM Phil Budne via cctalk
wrote:
> See the v6 dn (IV) man page:
>
> http://man.cat-v.org/unix-6th/4/dn
>
> NAME
> dn - DN-11 ACU
On 6/5/19 11:38 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
Typically a thick flat disk that clipped to the dial, with a motor and a
clutch to permit the dial and disk to return to rest position.
That sounds suspiciously like you've seen something like I was trying to
describe.
But, a FINGER is such
On 6/5/19 3:08 PM, John Labovitz via cctalk wrote:
being a BBS aficionado I’d heard of a technique called ‘callback’
that some BBSes implemented, which allowed for using a POTS line for
both dial-up modem and for voice. The idea was that if you wanted
to dial into a BBS with callback, you’d
On 6/5/19 12:01 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
"MODEM" is short for "MODulator-DEModulator"
It is explicitly a device that took data and "MODULATED" it into audio
tones for the phone, and took tones from the phone and "DEMODULATED"
them into data.
Yes. That's generally what a modem is.
This talk of auto-dialers reminded me of a couple of things from modem culture…
I ran a BBS when I was a teenager in Maryland in the early 80s. We only had one
phone line (like most everyone else), but being a BBS aficionado I’d heard of a
technique called ‘callback’ that some BBSes
On 06/05/2019 12:01 PM, Electronics Plus via cctalk wrote:
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Grant Taylor
> via cctalk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2019 10:42 AM
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject:
Prior to Carterfone V Western Electric, (1968) . . .
On Wed, 5 Jun 2019, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote:
The 1968 Carterfone decision did eventually result in customers being
allowed to hook their own devices up directly to the phone line, but
contrary to what a lot of online sources including
On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 11:38 AM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> Prior to Carterfone V Western Electric, (1968) . . .
> There were DAAs RENTED by TPC ("The Phone Company" (cf, "The President's
> Analyst")), dialers RENTED by TPC, and acoustic couplers in the
> after-market.
[...]
> Prior to
> But, a FINGER is such a better visual image!
> There were devices that sat on top of the "hook" of the phone (where the >
> handset rested to hang up, with the handset on top of them. A solenoid >
> could lift the handset for "off-hook", and set it down again for hang-up.
Did anyone
On Wed, 5 Jun 2019, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
One of my favourite things to do with its successor model (the Series
5) was pull up an address entry, and when someone pulled out a Palm
Pilot and starting trying to scribble Graffiti into it, to stop them
and transmit the contact to them by
On Wed, 5 Jun 2019, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
So the phone played an active role in modem communications. At least in so
far as it converted the purely audio from the modem to telephony used by the
PSTN.
"MODEM" is short for "MODulator-DEModulator"
It is explicitly a device that took
On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 11:45 AM Grant Taylor via cctalk
wrote:
> On 6/5/19 9:58 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote:
> > Not quite... the USD 801 ACU I keep mentioning supported dialing using
> > either RS-232 or RS-366 over the same physical port. It was a flexible
> > device that would work with
On Wed, 5 Jun 2019, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
I have this mental picture, which I think is based on something I've
seen at some point in the past, that was a device that attached /
actuated / ??? a traditional rotary dial phone. As in it had a finger
that interfaced with the dial and
On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 11:27 AM John Labovitz via cctalk
wrote:
> I do recall a little handheld device with a touchtone keyboard that you could
> fit
> over the microphone of a normal handset. It wasn’t automated, but at least you
> didn’t have to use the rotary dial. (This presumed, of course,
On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 8:30 PM allison via cctalk
wrote:
> Keep in mins the hardware for auto dial required some for of micro and
> that was a post 1974 thing for the most part. A few before that had a
> lot of TTL state machine to do that. They obviously weren't cheap.
>
AFAIK the first
On 6/5/19 10:27 AM, John Labovitz via cctalk wrote:
Character-based I/O on mainframes and even minicomputers was fairly rare
at that point. On some systems it was impossible; on others it was very
CPU-intensive. I remember trying to do character I/O on a Tandem NonStop;
it wasn’t easy, or
On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 at 18:40, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
wrote:
>
> Why? Handheld touchtone generators were very common in the
> the early 90's. Even the late 80's. I bought mine in Radio
> Shack. They were often needed if your employer used an in
> house private phone network (like MMDS where
On 6/5/19 9:58 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote:
Not quite... the USD 801 ACU I keep mentioning supported dialing using
either RS-232 or RS-366 over the same physical port. It was a flexible
device that would work with a parallel dialing controller like the DEC
DN11 or by just using a second
On 6/5/19 12:30 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 at 18:27, John Labovitz via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I do recall a little handheld device with a touchtone keyboard that you
>> could fit over the microphone of a normal handset. It wasn’t automated, but
>> at least you
On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 at 18:27, John Labovitz via cctalk
wrote:
>
> I do recall a little handheld device with a touchtone keyboard that you could
> fit over the microphone of a normal handset. It wasn’t automated, but at
> least you didn’t have to use the rotary dial.
This was a built-in feature
On Jun 5, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk
wrote:
> Why did it require a micro? Could the host not perform the function that the
> micro would do? […] Why couldn't that state machine be implemented in
> software on the host using the modem & auto-dialer?
Character-based I/O on
-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Grant Taylor
via cctalk
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2019 10:42 AM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Modems and external dialers.
On 6/4/19 8:30 PM, allison via cctalk wrote:
> Keep in m
On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 10:42 AM Grant Taylor via cctalk
wrote:
> Reading the links that Ethan provided, it sounds like some auto-dialers
> did use a second port, but it was not a second (recommended) standard
> 232 port. Instead it was an RS-232 and RS-366.
>
> Aside: RS-366 sounds odd. A
On 6/4/19 8:30 PM, allison via cctalk wrote:
Keep in mins the hardware for auto dial required some for of micro and
that was a post 1974 thing for the most part.
Why did it require a micro? Could the host not perform the function
that the micro would do?
A few before that had a lot of TTL
On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 10:50 PM Tony Duell via cctalk
wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 2:45 AM Grant Taylor via cctalk
> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience working with modems that didn't include
> > internal / auto dialers?
>
> It wasn't normally a serial port. It was on a DB25
On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 2:45 AM Grant Taylor via cctalk
wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any experience working with modems that didn't include
> internal / auto dialers?
Only from the side of the things that talked to them, like the HP11284 interface
for the HP9830
>
> They came up in a conversation
On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 10:57 PM Phil Budne via cctalk
wrote:
> See the v6 dn (IV) man page:
>
> http://man.cat-v.org/unix-6th/4/dn
>
> NAME
> dn - DN-11 ACU interface
The DN11 is a Unibus interface that drives an 801 ACU with a parallel
connection. I hadn't remembered it until you
See the v6 dn (IV) man page:
http://man.cat-v.org/unix-6th/4/dn
NAME
dn - DN-11 ACU interface
DESCRIPTION
The dn? files are write-only. The permissible codes are:
0-9 dial 0-9
: dial *
; dial #
- 4 second delay for second dial tone
On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:45 PM Grant Taylor via cctalk
wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience working with modems that didn't include
> internal / auto dialers?
Yes. I used to make and sell sync serial protocol engines (COMBOARDs)
that often were used to dial up an IBM Mainframe. Sync modems
On 06/04/2019 09:45 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience working with modems that didn't include
> internal / auto dialers?
>
Yes,
Novation cat, Hays, and a few others. Dial the phone and put it in the
cradle or flip a switch. Most of the 110/300boaud bel 101 and
On 6/4/19 9:45 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience working with modems that didn't include
> internal / auto dialers?
>
> They came up in a conversation in a newsgroup and I realized that I know
> of them, but know virtually nothing about them.
>
> I think they
Does anyone have any experience working with modems that didn't include
internal / auto dialers?
They came up in a conversation in a newsgroup and I realized that I know
of them, but know virtually nothing about them.
I think they were separate devices, which probably means that they
likely
61 matches
Mail list logo
