Re: Mounting ULTRIX CDROMs on Linux

2021-07-27 Thread John-Paul Stewart via cctalk
On 2021-07-26 9:34 a.m., Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk wrote: > On Fri, 21 May 2021, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: > >> ISTR upstreaming some fixes to Linux UFS support 20+ years ago to address >> this very problem (IIRC OSF/1 or Digital Unix CD-ROMs were also UFS, and I >> had a need to access them

Re: Mounting ULTRIX CDROMs on Linux

2021-07-26 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk
On Fri, 21 May 2021, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: > ISTR upstreaming some fixes to Linux UFS support 20+ years ago to address > this very problem (IIRC OSF/1 or Digital Unix CD-ROMs were also UFS, and I > had a need to access them under Linux for some reason) and with them in > place I thought

Re: Mounting ULTRIX CDROMs on Linux

2021-05-20 Thread John-Paul Stewart via cctalk
On 2021-05-20 4:49 p.m., Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: > > Great, thanks for that. I would probably have never guessed that I > needed loop. I'm glad it worked. I still find it illogical to loop mount a device, but it works. I never would have figured it out on my own either. I don't

Re: Mounting ULTRIX CDROMs on Linux

2021-05-20 Thread John-Paul Stewart via cctalk
On 2021-05-20 5:05 p.m., Jonathan Stone via cctalk wrote: > > What does one have to do (Linux, MacOS, *BSD) to write such an image > to the CD with 512-byte blocks, so it can be read by a DEC boot-ROM? There's nothing special needed to write the disk -- just burn it the way you would any other

Re: Mounting ULTRIX CDROMs on Linux

2021-05-20 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk
On Thu, 20 May 2021, Christian Groessler via cctalk wrote: > IIRC I had burned the Ultrix CD "normally" (means without fiddling with block > size, so not 512), but changed the block size to 512 for booting it. IIRC #2, > burning was done on another drive, not the Plextor. CD-ROM medium format

Re: Mounting ULTRIX CDROMs on Linux

2021-05-20 Thread Christian Groessler via cctalk
More top-post alert! :-) IIRC I had burned the Ultrix CD "normally" (means without fiddling with block size, so not 512), but changed the block size to 512 for booting it. IIRC #2, burning was done on another drive, not the Plextor. regards, chris On 5/20/21 11:26 PM, Jonathan Stone

Re: Mounting ULTRIX CDROMs on Linux

2021-05-20 Thread Jonathan Stone via cctalk
[[ apologies for top-post: Y! issue ]] I know that to be bootable on DECstation/VAX/early Alpha, CD-ROMs needs to be jumpered to 512-byte blocks. Like RRD4x. Does the burning CD write need to be jumpered to 512-bytes? Or can one write on a "normal" CD burner, then read on a 512-byte-block

Re: Mounting ULTRIX CDROMs on Linux

2021-05-20 Thread Christian Groessler via cctalk
On 5/20/21 11:05 PM, Jonathan Stone via cctalk wrote: MacOS (Mojave) can mount an image read from a 512-byte UFS CD. What does one have to do (Linux, MacOS, *BSD) to write such an image to the CD with 512-byte blocks, so it can be read by a DEC boot-ROM? I think that's a property of the

Re: Mounting ULTRIX CDROMs on Linux

2021-05-20 Thread Jonathan Stone via cctalk
MacOS (Mojave) can mount an image read from a 512-byte UFS CD. What does one have to do (Linux, MacOS, *BSD) to write such an image to the CD with 512-byte blocks, so it can be read by a DEC boot-ROM?

Re: Mounting ULTRIX CDROMs on Linux

2021-05-20 Thread Antonio Carlini via cctalk
On 20/05/2021 21:11, John-Paul Stewart via cctalk wrote: Setting ufstype=sun will indeed work for loopback mounting Ultrix CD images. With physical CDs, the Linux CD-ROM driver expects the filesystem to use 2048 byte blocks but the UFS CDs have 512 byte blocks. So you'll also have to add

Re: Mounting ULTRIX CDROMs on Linux

2021-05-20 Thread Malte Dehling via cctalk
On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 04:11:18PM -0400, John-Paul Stewart via cctalk wrote: > On 2021-05-20 4:01 p.m., Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: > > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 1:56 PM Antonio Carlini via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > >> I'm running Linux Mint (an ubuntu derivative) and I

Re: Mounting ULTRIX CDROMs on Linux

2021-05-20 Thread John-Paul Stewart via cctalk
On 2021-05-20 4:01 p.m., Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 1:56 PM Antonio Carlini via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> I'm running Linux Mint (an ubuntu derivative) and I want to mount ULTRIX >> CDROM discs to see what I can see. >> >> (I'm eventually going to

Re: Mounting ULTRIX CDROMs on Linux

2021-05-20 Thread Malte Dehling via cctalk
On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 02:01:21PM -0600, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 1:56 PM Antonio Carlini via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > I'm running Linux Mint (an ubuntu derivative) and I want to mount ULTRIX > > CDROM discs to see what I can see. > > > > (I'm

Re: Mounting ULTRIX CDROMs on Linux

2021-05-20 Thread Jonathan Stone via cctalk
Ultrix UFS is 4.2SD plus some big fixes. It's definitely pre-4.3BSD. So 44BSD won't work. I hit fsck errors anytime I mounted Ultrix FFS read-write with (very early NetBSD). You may be better off if you can try with *BSD. OSF1/Digital Unix/Tru64 has a newer FFS, definitely 4.3BSD or newer --

Re: Mounting ULTRIX CDROMs on Linux

2021-05-20 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 1:56 PM Antonio Carlini via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I'm running Linux Mint (an ubuntu derivative) and I want to mount ULTRIX > CDROM discs to see what I can see. > > (I'm eventually going to image these, but I presume that will "just > work" with dd or

Mounting ULTRIX CDROMs on Linux

2021-05-20 Thread Antonio Carlini via cctalk
I'm running Linux Mint (an ubuntu derivative) and I want to mount ULTRIX CDROM discs to see what I can see. (I'm eventually going to image these, but I presume that will "just work" with dd or ddrescue). They are supposed to be UFS format (according to the net) and that usually means you