Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

* William Donzelli [151015 18:00]: > > I could have easily pitched a tent amount the electronics. > > Yeah, I get excited about liquid cooled mainframes, too. > > -- > Will ROFLMAO!

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You want sentimental? I have a VT100 that I know I sold to a customer in 1975 whilst at DEC and that came back a couple of years ago in a clearout pile from I know not where. I still had my old day book I in which kept the serial numbers and there it was!! Needless to say surprise was not the

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 03:09:25PM -0600, ben wrote: > On 10/14/2015 2:57 PM, Mike Loewen wrote: > >On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: > > > >>On 10/14/2015 11:04 AM, ben wrote: > >>> On 10/14/2015 8:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: > OK so if we agree there are three classes computer Namely

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > >> On Oct 15, 2015, at 8:27 AM, Rod Smallwood >> wrote: >> >> ... >> DEC had a helicopter service. The pilots had nealy all been in Vietnam. >> I heard the following story at a sales

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> On Oct 15, 2015, at 8:27 AM, Rod Smallwood > wrote: > > ... > DEC had a helicopter service. The pilots had nealy all been in Vietnam. > I heard the following story at a sales meeting.: > > The helicopters would usually rise gently to 2000' and set course fo

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

> On Oct 15, 2015, at 3:02 AM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 03:09:25PM -0600, ben wrote: >> ... >> Where do sign up for the Vintage Mini-skirt list ... > > I think it's called pinterest: > > https://www.pinterest.com/jennschiffer/women-computers/

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With out going into detail and whilst working in Germany in 1969 I pulled a few Saturday night operator shifts for cash in hand on a big Nixdorf system. Just to help out a friend who did not like being there on her own. The Computer room was air conditioned and filtered down to microns. Being

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

Sorry, _the_ story is about Cray 1 which had upholstered seats. Cray 2 was not as comfortable. On October 15, 2015 10:06:43 PM CDT, Chris Elmquist wrote: >However, apparently the comfy cushions of the Cray were not so >inhospitable to one pair of mammals that consummated

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However, apparently the comfy cushions of the Cray were not so inhospitable to one pair of mammals that consummated their relationship on them in a certain MN data center during one late night shift. There _IS_ a story... Chris On October 15, 2015 4:53:15 PM CDT, Chuck Guzis

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

- Original Message - From: "Evan Koblentz" <cct...@snarc.net> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk@classiccmp.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 10:05 PM Subject: Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation > > > I

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> I could have easily pitched a tent amount the electronics. Yeah, I get excited about liquid cooled mainframes, too. -- Will

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Did you work for DEC if so where/ On 15/10/2015 16:02, Paul Koning wrote: On Oct 15, 2015, at 8:27 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: ... DEC had a helicopter service. The pilots had nealy all been in Vietnam. I heard the following story at a sales meeting.: The

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So the Eagles could phone home I guess On 15/10/2015 16:20, Eric Christopherson wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Paul Koning wrote: On Oct 15, 2015, at 8:27 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: ... DEC had a helicopter service. The pilots

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On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, ben wrote: you can lose your lovers with a Cray multiples of any size computer, or evan a single one larger than a micro can lose your marriage.

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On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Jason T wrote: > A man in a black suit and skinny tie came by and asked that we not > forget the Midrange (System/3, System/3x, AS/400...) Carl the Technician dropped by. It's all hooked up. http://www.marrick.com/IT_Lab.html -ethan

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On 10/15/2015 09:49 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, ben wrote: you can lose your lovers with a Cray multiples of any size computer, or evan a single one larger than a micro can lose your marriage. If you lose a lover in "Bubbles", I suspect that you're also looking at a lengthy

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

We dont need patches with pictures but it should say what type of system we major in For example Rod's Retro Restorations - IBM360 Rod Smallwood As time goes on more computers become vintage. -- Ethan O'Toole

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On 10/14/2015 09:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: OK so if we agree there are three classes computer Namely Micro,Mini, and Mainframe. It follows that there must be three classes of vintage computer. We dont need patches with pictures but it should say what type of system we major in For example

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Sorry old chap just an example. I'm a old DEC guy. My biggest system is a VAX I think the 360 was back in the days when they rented every thing so not much was left behind Mind you I would not turn down a racks worth of AS400 On 14/10/2015 16:05, Jon Elson wrote: On 10/14/2015 09:15 AM, Rod

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

On 10/14/2015 7:01 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > From: Ben Franchuk > I would get rid of the outer leaves I think I might agree - they don't add much, for the amount of space and complexity they add. Very clever to make them out of PCB traces, though! Noel Now my dumb idea

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On 10/14/2015 10:24 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, et...@757.org wrote: As time goes on more computers become vintage. But, do they all? Are there any that will NEVER be vintage, and still discarded by archeologists thousands of years from now? I'm not even sure what "vintage"

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

On 10/14/2015 11:47 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 10/14/2015 10:24 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, et...@757.org wrote: As time goes on more computers become vintage. But, do they all? Are there any that will NEVER be vintage, and still discarded by archeologists thousands of years

RE: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of ben > Sent: 14 October 2015 19:04 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation > > On 10/14/2015 8:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: > > OK so

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> The hardest part is finding parts for the FPGA, sure I can use 74XXX > but was it out in 1975-76? If you mean some specific 74-series part, well, it depends on which one. But, if you mean 74-series logic in general, I think so. Sometime within a year or so of '78, I was working with the

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I like it, especially the digital take on the laurel wreath. But as others have said, complex logos are not always a good choice. Especially not if you intend to use it in print or on clothing. Perhaps you alreade have a less complex companion logo planned. /P On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at

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Will they build spaceships? :D 2015-10-14 4:11 GMT-03:00 Pontus Pihlgren : > I like it, especially the digital take on the laurel wreath. > > But as others have said, complex logos are not always a good choice. > Especially not if you intend to use it in print or on

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Where is the vintage computer! I cant see one Rod On 14/10/2015 08:11, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: I like it, especially the digital take on the laurel wreath. But as others have said, complex logos are not always a good choice. Especially not if you intend to use it in print or on clothing.

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I agree that it's good to have secondary companion designs just for things like stitched patches. On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 12:11 AM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: > I like it, especially the digital take on the laurel wreath. > > But as others have said, complex logos are not

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> But, if you mean 74-series logic in general, I think so. Sometime > within a year or so of '78, I was working with the stuff, and it was as > an undergrad, so I doubt I would have been working with just-released > logic. 74xxx logic dates from the late 1960s. There are plenty of production

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On 2015-Oct-14, at 11:12 AM, Mouse wrote: >> The hardest part is finding parts for the FPGA, sure I can use 74XXX >> but was it out in 1975-76? > > If you mean some specific 74-series part, well, it depends on which > one. > > But, if you mean 74-series logic in general, I think so. Sometime >

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On 10/14/2015 12:48 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote: I have in front of me my copy of the TTL databook for Design Engineers Its dated 1973. Its full of 74 series logic. I have in front of me, the big thick brown "The Microelectronics Data Book" from Motorola, dated 1969. There were already several

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

- Original Message - From: "ben" <bfranc...@jetnet.ab.ca> To: <cctalk@classiccmp.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 4:17 AM Subject: Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation > > I would get rid of the outer leaves and put just Vintage Computer > Fe

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On 10/14/2015 1:45 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: From original sources/refs I have kicking around: - The first 54xx devices were introduced by TI in 1965. - 74xx was around by 1966. - H & L was around by 1969. - S was around by 1971. - LS was around by

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

On 10/14/2015 1:48 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote: I have in front of me my copy of the TTL databook for Design Engineers Its dated 1973. Its full of 74 series logic. Rod Smallwood It's on my kindle,PC and tablet in digital form. Ben.

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> > I don't think we got to "Micro, Mini and Mainframe" until we got to 2nd and > third generation computers > > ... 1st generation Valve Computers like the Bendix , Pegasus, EDVAC, > Manchester MK1, CSIRAC were just "Computers" and don't conform to the above > classes > Fred - where are

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

On 10/14/2015 2:36 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 10/14/2015 11:04 AM, ben wrote: On 10/14/2015 8:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: OK so if we agree there are three classes computer Namely Micro,Mini, and Mainframe. It follows that there must be three classes of vintage computer. We dont need patches

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I have in front of me my copy of the TTL databook for Design Engineers Its dated 1973. Its full of 74 series logic. Rod Smallwood On 14/10/2015 19:04, ben wrote: On 10/14/2015 8:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: OK so if we agree there are three classes computer Namely Micro,Mini, and Mainframe.

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Ps: I'm not sure about the logo. It doesn't have the ADM3A ashtray and the keyboard doesn't look wide enough for the ADM5 layout including the numeric keypad on the right. Is/was there such a thing as an ADM4? That part of the image is only meant to * evoke * a terminal -- which it did.

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On 10/14/2015 11:04 AM, ben wrote: On 10/14/2015 8:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: OK so if we agree there are three classes computer Namely Micro,Mini, and Mainframe. It follows that there must be three classes of vintage computer. We dont need patches with pictures but it should say what type of

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

lt;cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 4:17 AM > Subject: Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation > > > > > I would get rid of the outer leaves and put just Vintage Computer > > Federation there instead. A tube, transistor and a early DTL? g

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I also noticed that the outer circumference (outer most part of the logo) doesn't appear to be a true circle, but more polygonal instead! (look*really* carefully) Was is created using some 3d rendering software??? Good eye! Yes, we used a 3D CAD program, so that someday we could make

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

> On Oct 14, 2015, at 4:50 PM, ben wrote: > > On 10/14/2015 2:36 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: >> On 10/14/2015 11:04 AM, ben wrote: >>> On 10/14/2015 8:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: OK so if we agree there are three classes computer Namely Micro,Mini, and Mainframe. It

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 10/14/2015 11:04 AM, ben wrote: On 10/14/2015 8:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: > OK so if we agree there are three classes computer Namely > Micro,Mini, and Mainframe. It follows that there must be three > classes of vintage computer. We dont need

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

On 10/14/2015 3:07 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 10/14/2015 01:50 PM, ben wrote: What is a midi-computer? Well, a web search brings up this as the first entry: "An earlier term for a computer with performance and capacity between a minicomputer and a mainframe. " A CW 1979 article about the

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On 10/14/2015 01:50 PM, ben wrote: What is a midi-computer? Well, a web search brings up this as the first entry: "An earlier term for a computer with performance and capacity between a minicomputer and a mainframe. " A CW 1979 article about the Association of Computer Users (ACU) it as

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On 10/14/2015 01:53 PM, Paul Koning wrote: Something a bit bigger than a mini. I think some marketeers tried to use that term for their answer to the VAX. It obviously didn't go very far, given that hardly anyone remembers the term. I'm not sure who specifically used it. Prime, perhaps?

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On 10/14/2015 3:42 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: Well, a web search brings up this as the first entry: "An earlier term for a computer with performance and capacity between a minicomputer and a mainframe. " A CW 1979 article about the Association of Computer

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

On 10/14/2015 2:57 PM, Mike Loewen wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 10/14/2015 11:04 AM, ben wrote: On 10/14/2015 8:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: > OK so if we agree there are three classes computer Namely > Micro,Mini, and Mainframe. It follows that there must be three >

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On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: Well, a web search brings up this as the first entry: "An earlier term for a computer with performance and capacity between a minicomputer and a mainframe. " A CW 1979 article about the Association of Computer Users (ACU) it as "a computer costing

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There are circumstantial / companion versions logo, stand by Bill Degnan twitter: billdeg vintagecomputer.net On Oct 14, 2015 4:39 AM, "Rod Smallwood" wrote: > Where is the vintage computer! I cant see one > > Rod > > > > On 14/10/2015 08:11, Pontus Pihlgren

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On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 6:32 PM, William Donzelli wrote: > I do not think IBM ever really did black suits. Navy blue and dark > grey, although the skinny tie era was before these machines (maybe the > fat, good-for-eatin'-ribs ties of the 1970s would work). Ah yeah, but I

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, et...@757.org wrote: As time goes on more computers become vintage. But, do they all? Are there any that will NEVER be vintage, and still discarded by archeologists thousands of years from now?

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

On 10/14/2015 1:12 PM, Mouse wrote: >> The hardest part is finding parts for the FPGA, sure I can use 74XXX >> but was it out in 1975-76? > > If you mean some specific 74-series part, well, it depends on which > one. > > But, if you mean 74-series logic in general, I think so. Sometime > within

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> From: Ben Franchuk > I would get rid of the outer leaves I think I might agree - they don't add much, for the amount of space and complexity they add. Very clever to make them out of PCB traces, though! Noel

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OK so if we agree there are three classes computer Namely Micro,Mini, and Mainframe. It follows that there must be three classes of vintage computer. We dont need patches with pictures but it should say what type of system we major in For example Rod's Retro Restorations - IBM360 Rod

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: > OK so if we agree there are three classes computer > Namely Micro,Mini, and Mainframe. > It follows that there must be three classes of vintage computer. A man in a black suit and skinny tie came by and asked

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> A man in a black suit and skinny tie came by and asked that we not > forget the Midrange (System/3, System/3x, AS/400…) I do not think IBM ever really did black suits. Navy blue and dark grey, although the skinny tie era was before these machines (maybe the fat, good-for-eatin'-ribs ties of the

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

On 10/13/2015 9:08 PM, Evan Koblentz wrote: WELL-- The ADM3 is now finally iconic. Or maybe it was iconic already. Yah, that represents us old computer guys pretty well Glad you like it! I have a mid-2000s VCF West t-shirt that shows the front of an ADM3 on front, and the back of the

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narc.net >>> Sent: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 22:13:08 -0400 >>> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org >>> Subject: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation >>> >>> Cctalk'ers, >>> >>> Vintage Computer Federation -- the new 501(c)3 non-profit that now runs &

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

On 10/13/2015 8:13 PM, Evan Koblentz wrote: Cctalk'ers, Vintage Computer Federation -- the new 501(c)3 non-profit that now runs the MARCH museum, and which will soon make some major expansion announcements -- has a very cool new logo. Here's a preview: http://www.snarc.net/vcf-logo-preview.png.

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On 10/13/2015 8:42 PM, N0body H0me wrote: WELL-- The ADM3 is now finally iconic. Or maybe it was iconic already. Yah, that represents us old computer guys pretty well-- almost no one born after 1990 will know what it is! :-) Why not a TTY? That could still could be mistaken as more modern

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

WELL-- The ADM3 is now finally iconic. Or maybe it was iconic already. Yah, that represents us old computer guys pretty well-- almost no one born after 1990 will know what it is! :-) Why not a TTY? That could still could be mistaken as more modern computer at a glance. ADM3-style

Re: New logo: Vintage Computer Federation

WELL-- The ADM3 is now finally iconic. Or maybe it was iconic already. Yah, that represents us old computer guys pretty well Glad you like it! I have a mid-2000s VCF West t-shirt that shows the front of an ADM3 on front, and the back of the terminal on back. Clever.

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Looks good Evan... Yea the ADM 3 a classic indeed! Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 10/13/2015 7:13:24 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cct...@snarc.net writes: Cctalk'ers, Vintage Computer Federation -- the new 501(c)3 non-profit that now runs the